List Mgmt. 2022 Young Talent Time

[Chris25]

Ya dodged my Lemmey question before so I'll rephrase, where's the lowest you see him going and do you think can be turned into a KPD if the KPF stuff failed?

I have no idea. I think he gets discussed from around pick 30 through to the rookie draft. All depends on how many picks teams make and where they're picking. A team who finishes early may grab him early with their last selection, a team picking late may hold off and try to sneak him through. But if guys like Weideman and Schache can stick around and find new clubs, Lemmey should definitely find a home.

And yes, he could easily be developed as a KPD. Should have played there more for SA in the last two games when it was clear he was struggling.

 

[DragoDelph]

The biggest problem with pick #30 is that Carlton have pick #29. They seem to make it their mission to go after whoever we want. So no doubt they'd take Jones if he was available.

Rumour is they’re in to Allen.

We’ll need to look at getting ahead of them and west coast on the day if we’re keen on either of them.

 

[Superkoops]

Following on from my depth analysis, my drafting preferences after basically watching a few 2 minute highlight videos and reading Bangers rankings is:
30 - Darcy Jones: Draft as a small forward and as what we wanted Western to be. Looks like best small forward that might still be available at our pick
44 - Harry Lemmey: Think he could play forward or back and we can take our time with him - unbelievable fall from grace though.
67 - Jed Hagan: Natural footballer I'm sure would give it absolutely everything and could be a Liam Baker type

Rookie 1: Best state ruck available OR Jackson Broadbent if still available
Rookie 2:Tippa when he trains with us

Cat B: Whichever NGA we like the most

I think that's our list spots right, Cat B is outside the rest of the list still?

Primary List
In: Banfield (upgraded), JOM, Corbett, Jackson, 4 draft picks (30,44,67,76)
Out: Valente (retired), Mundy (retired), Western (Delisted), Meek (traded), Lobb (traded), Acres (traded), Logue (traded), Tucker (traded).

Rookie List:
In: Kuek
Out: Blakely (delisted), Banfield (upgraded)
One Rookie Spot currently (which according to Walls we will keep open for Tippa SSP)

Not looking good for Crowden unless Schultz gets upgraded a year early.

We can forgo 1 spot on the primary list to pick up a rookie. I doubt we will do this.

I like Jed Adams as a developing KPD. Should be available at our pick around 40. Best available at 30. Broadbent or another developing ruck with either our last pick in the ND or we forgo a primary list spot to have an extra rookie. There will be a few selections straight after our third pick which will end up being around late 50 and then another 13 selections in the rookie draft before so he or our other preferred ruck option a possibility to be gone.

I’d say:
ND
~32: Best available
~40: Jed Adams
~57: ?? (Walls magic)
~61: Broadbent, Buller, Free etc.

Rookie Draft
13: Pass (for Tippa if he agrees to come do the SSP thing)

Cat-B Scaife
(Not sure on Josh Draper - didn’t impress me greatly)

 

[Superkoops]

Rumour is they’re in to Allen.

We’ll need to look at getting ahead of them and west coast on the day if we’re keen on either of them.

Allen is firming for top 20. A number of clubs interested. Ole mate AFL draft guru Kevin SHIFTER Sheehan reckons all clubs are getting a bit excited about Allan. Hawks annoyed as he fell one game short or something. I read an article the other day.

 

[myfreodom]

Allen is firming for top 20. A number of clubs interested. Ole mate AFL draft guru Kevin SHIFTER Sheehan reckons all clubs are getting a bit excited about Allan. Hawks annoyed as he fell one game short or something. I read an article the other day.

2 games short for Hawks.

GWS have #15, #18, #19 ahead of WC #20. That'd be our best chance for 2-3 years down the track.

Also decided Elijah Hewett would be excellent at Gold Coast's pick #5. Or piss off Geelong and grab Busslinger.

 

[theGav56]

IF Benning is highly rated by the club as a KPD option, then it's probably fine, otherwise I'd argue a KPD to develop for 3-4 years and play the odd game as an emergency is close to as high a priority as a small forward for me.

I would not be including Chappy in the KPD bracket personally

He's including him as kpd depth which is different. If we have an injury Chapman could play that role and Wilson could come in, for example. I also think Treacy could be considered as an option to develop as a swingman providing defensive depth.

I'm fine with us drafting a kpd, just don't want us spending high draft capital on one. Not that we have an high draft capital this year.

 

[theGav56]

I see it the same as rucks. We need cover but you don't spend high on cover. We lost Logue because we couldn't fit him in our back 7. We lost Meek because we couldn't give him opportunities. Think a quality small forward is a much more important investment. Because if they are good they'll get opportunities. And there is plenty of room at Peel to develop them if they aren't ready yet.

edit - also, we don't have great picks so whichever talls we get with our picks are going to be extremely speculative regardless. Or have ordinary ceilings (break glass cover)

Your not wrong but if we improve our entries forward and our structure there, I think our small guys can produce more.

 

[theGav56]

Ya dodged my Lemmey question before so I'll rephrase, where's the lowest you see him going and do you think can be turned into a KPD if the KPF stuff failed?

Chris has stated this as an option elsewhere I believe.

 

[theGav56]

I'd back in our coaches to get more out of both Benning and Kuek next season though.

Kuek was in the dirtybirds NGA. I'm fine with development time but I would be hoping for some production.

 

[Swiggy]

I’m abit fan of this lad probably be a rookie spot but could be a steal.

Phoenix Foster Draft Profile

Raw Norwood ruck-forward Phoenix Foster was a surprise packet at this year's National Championships, putting his name into draft contention.

central.rookieme.com

 

[Swiggy]

Primary List
In: Banfield (upgraded), JOM, Corbett, Jackson, 4 draft picks (30,44,67,76)
Out: Valente (retired), Mundy (retired), Western (Delisted), Meek (traded), Lobb (traded), Acres (traded), Logue (traded), Tucker (traded).

Rookie List:
In: Kuek
Out: Blakely (delisted), Banfield (upgraded)
One Rookie Spot currently (which according to Walls we will keep open for Tippa SSP)

Not looking good for Crowden unless Schultz gets upgraded a year early.

We can forgo 1 spot on the primary list to pick up a rookie. I doubt we will do this.

I like Jed Adams as a developing KPD. Should be available at our pick around 40. Best available at 30. Broadbent or another developing ruck with either our last pick in the ND or we forgo a primary list spot to have an extra rookie. There will be a few selections straight after our third pick which will end up being around late 50 and then another 13 selections in the rookie draft before so he or our other preferred ruck option a possibility to be gone.

I’d say:
ND
~32: Best available
~40: Jed Adams
~57: ?? (Walls magic)
~61: Broadbent, Buller, Free etc.

Rookie Draft
13: Pass (for Tippa if he agrees to come do the SSP thing)

Cat-B Scaife
(Not sure on Josh Draper - didn’t impress me greatly)

What about Jasper Scaife?

Think Draper would be a sniff at cat-b think he could develop into a good player

 

[theGav56]

What about Jasper Scaife?

Think Draper would be a sniff at cat-b think he could develop into a good player

He has Scaife as Cat B.

 

[Swiggy]

He has Scaife as Cat B.

My bad missed that

 

[estibador]

Realistically most of the players we will find late in the draft over 195 are going to be slow, skinny, playing more of a big half forward sort of game.

Not Draper, who we should be able to get for free.

 

[Taylor]

Not Draper, who we should be able to get for free.

Shhh

 

[Vimal Anand]

Chris25 what do you think about Anthony Munkara ? Not many people have him in top 40.. any chance we go for him? Look like 190cm?

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[wakojako]

Chris25 what do you think about Anthony Munkara ? Not many people have him in top 40.. any chance we go for him? Look like 190cm?

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He played 2 games this season...

 

[Vimal Anand]

He played 2 games this season...

injury?

 

[Superkoops]

What about Jasper Scaife?

Think Draper would be a sniff at cat-b think he could develop into a good player

I like the small bits that I saw of Scaife. I really didn’t see a lot of Draper as he was injured. What I did see didn’t jump out at me but others who know and have seen more of him would be more qualified to comment on his Cat-B draft suitability.

 

[Dockeroo]

I’d favour a quality over quantity approach at the draft at this stage of our rebuild, insofar as that’s possible with the picks we have.
For example, putting 30, 44 and the North F3 together on draft night to get pick 20 or 21 would be an option if a talent we rated in the top 10 slid to pick 22/23 or thereabouts.
Would sacrifice picks outside 30 to get one player higher in the draft that is more likely to be a B22 option long term.
Can always fill the list with picks at the end around 50 - several of the speculative types discussed on here will probably still be available then.

 

[Ysaye]

I like the small bits that I saw of Scaife. I really didn’t see a lot of Draper as he was injured. What I did see didn’t jump out at me but others who know and have seen more of him would be more qualified to comment on his Cat-B draft suitability.

Draper's appeal is more as a 195cm utility that could (both athletically and footy skill wise) potentially play anywhere, most notably as a tall midfielder (As opposed to Scaife who is probably only a KPF or at a pinch may be able to KPB). Before injury many were convinced that Draper was going to be up there in terms of this year's WA crop and certainly the pick of the Freo NGAs, and then by the time he played he was so far behind the 8-ball, so there may be unseen potential there.

In terms of the appeal to Freo with that, we have a couple of tall midfielders in Fyfe (190cm) and Brodie (190cm), and also arguably Erasmus (189cm) and Johnson (192cm), but it might be worth having an even taller type and try developing them and see what we get. The one advantage with the draftees this year is that they can have a slow(er) rate development in the WAFL/WAFL reserves - now is arguably the time to take unmolded potential (whether that be Draper, or whomever we take), so long as there are no character issues.

 

[Chris25]

Chris25 what do you think about Anthony Munkara ? Not many people have him in top 40.. any chance we go for him? Look like 190cm?

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Essendon NGA so they can match after 40…

But I really have no idea where Munkara will go, if he goes. And I don't think anyone does. I don't really know how people can still rank him because he simply hasn't played - about 5 games across different levels, and I doubt anyone on BigFooty has seen more than 2 of those at most. Injured an ankle in his one game for the Allies, then hasn't played since about June because he's been back in the Tiwi Islands for family reasons. Came back down to Melbourne for the Combine testing. It seems the interest has certainly dropped off since earlier in the year.

I could see a team like Richmond going early to steal him from Essendon, otherwise I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up on their Cat B rookie list.

 

[myfreodom]

Draper came back from injury a week before finals. He played as a KPD a bit through finals which showed his versatility. Assuming he is 100% now I'm expecting him to perform well tomorrow. A 195cm raw super athlete is probably exactly what you want in a Cat B spot.

Think getting Draper depends on whether you can have 2 or 3 Cat Bs now? If Kelm is coming we only have one left. I like Scaife because he seems to have a similar confidence to Amiss. West Perth Colts really struggled without him through finals. I suspect we might have seen Draper v Scaife in the Colts GF if he was available which would have made this thread more fun.

 

[Taylor]

I wouldn't be surprised if at least some clubs have suggested to their injured NGA talent that they take a long recovery so they get beyond that pick 40.

 

[Dockeroo]

I wouldn't be surprised if at least some clubs have suggested to their injured NGA talent that they take a long recovery so they get beyond that pick 40.

I’m sure it does happen and yet another example of manipulation, even if it’s minor enough in the overall scheme.
They really need to switch that NGA bidding thing back to pick 20 instead of 40.
They go from one extreme to the other, the AFL. Two years ago an NGA was selected at pick 1, now it’s past pick 40.
Also something I’ve often wondered recently - Can you match a bid for Academy or FS with as many later junk picks as you want, or is the number of picks you can use to match limited to the amount of free list spots you have?
It actually makes a substantial difference and was one of the main reasons we went into deficit in 2019 matching Henry, but I think it changed a year later.
Brisbane matching Ashcroft and Fletcher in R1 without a deficit is bullshit.