List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[DeathlyAccurate]

Don’t worry about details, you may cotton on later.

For a brief moment I thought this was serious.


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[ashep]

In all seriousness, Twomey's report is bizarre. Stating there has been zero indication from Melbourne they would want to move him, nor from Oliver himself that he'd want to move.

Other clubs considering what it would take to trade for him - isn't this just basic due diligence?

 

[Nuggetz]

I'd be happy to do logan for oliver. Imo we would utilise more of olivers talents/ability compared to logan. I don't think oliver leaves melbourne though, especially not after one injury interrupted season while still in a premiership window.

 

[Swannie0307]

What do you put it down to, I say it's luck.

Agree there’s a lot of luck involved.
Firstly the ex players have to have kids.
Then they have to have boys.
Then they have to have suitable physical attributes.
And most importantly, they have to be very coordinated and be excellent footballing prospects…. all in all, the odds are stacked against top F/S picks coming through

 

[Nuggetz]

In all seriousness, Twomey's report is bizarre. Stating there has been zero indication from Melbourne they would want to move him, nor from Oliver himself that he'd want to move.

Other clubs considering what it would take to trade for him - isn't this just basic due diligence?

click bait. he read or got passed on the info from bf forums then knew it was an easy way to get clicks.

 

[BloodySwan]

In all seriousness, Twomey's report is bizarre. Stating there has been zero indication from Melbourne they would want to move him, nor from Oliver himself that he'd want to move.

Other clubs considering what it would take to trade for him - isn't this just basic due diligence?

Burying the lead. Clubs wouldn't inquiry unless they feel Melbourne may think of selling.

Clearly something going on in the Oliver camp not being reported

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Nobody wants to give anything lmao

That's how trade week works on BF... fans want the best players in the comp and think stacking a bunch of list cloggers together will get the deal done. Sort of like draft pick values.

 

[The King!]

Sorry how are Geelong getting Grundy?


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Geelong can get anyone

 

[Bandicoot]

Dees BF board want Gulden and Blakey!

Tell em they're dreamin'.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Draft Picks before Trade Period: 11, 23, 31, 41, 50

The numbers expose Sydney’s glaring area of need: the engine room. The Swans ranked 17th for clearances, 15th for centre clearances, 14th for contested possessions and 14th for points from clearances – the latter being the most important metric of all. In spite of this they still made it into an elimination final. The acquisition of starved ruckman Brodie Grundy

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Brodie Grundy

Age

30

Ht

202cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

HO

32.0

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

HO

34.6

5star

D

13.8

4star

K

5.2

2star

HB

8.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

20.6

5star

along with the possible recruits of free agent James Jordon [and Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

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D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

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] in the trade and free agency period will help fill the midfield void – especially with the lack of midfielders available in this draft. Sydney is unlikely to move its first pick and will consider taking a key defender, another area that they need to address after missing out on targets Ben McKay

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Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

and Tom Barrass

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Tom Barrass

Age

29

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

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MG

160.0

3star

, with developing interceptor Ollie Murphy one with appeal at that range in the draft. The Swans also have second and third round picks (23 and 41) tied to Hawthorn, but they may only take two or three selections in the national draft with list spots tight. They have been known to pick players with versatility, which could bring swingman James Leake and speedster Harry DeMattia into play at their first two picks that will be pushed out by bids. Swans Academy prospect Caiden Cleary, a hard-nosed clearance winner, has impressed the club with his improvement this year and may attract a rival bid in the back-half of the draft.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/draft/afl-draft-2023-what-and-who-your-club-should-be-targeting-with-its-current-picks/news-story/77ff532d16c7346a2c536101c59472ce

 

[Tomorrow]

Moving Oliver on would make sense if Demons ended up with Harley Reid, another top 5 pick plus another first rounder...he mightn't be worth all that but it would create a bidding frenzy...Demons are up to something big whatever happens...

 

[Dan87]

Trade Logan for Oliver and then realise we can't kick enough easy goals like Melbourne have realised this year?

Oliver is good and would help but I'm not giving up Logan or getting into a bidding war for him taking that contract is plenty in itself

 

[tombomb]

What's your definition of untouchable?

If West Coast pick up the phone and offer Oscar Allen for McLean are you turning that down?

If we call Geelong and offer Gulden for Stengle do they hang up?

Not a chance.

There is hardly a player in the league who is untouchable. Daicos is the closest thing.

The only thing contracts do is give clubs the opportunity to haggle for a better deal.

 

[the hypnotoad]

I'd be happy to do logan for oliver. Imo we would utilise more of olivers talents/ability compared to logan. I don't think oliver leaves melbourne though, especially not after one injury interrupted season while still in a premiership window.

that's an extremely generous offer but i'm not sure it benefits anyone regarding a trade

 

[RUNVS]

There is hardly a player in the league who is untouchable. Daicos is the closest thing.

The only thing contracts do is give clubs the opportunity to haggle for a better deal.

I would say Gulden is pretty close to as untouchable as they come.

 

[BloodySwan]

Judd trade was a promising key forward, a 1st round pick and a second round pick.

Amartey, pick 11 and pick 23 gets it done

 

[tombomb]

I would say Gulden is pretty close to as untouchable as they come.

Close.

I do think there would be teams that would be able to offer deals that would make us agree rather than keep an unhappy Gulden. West Coast could easily make an overwhelming offer for Gulden if he asked to be traded there.

At the end of the day, most clubs (aside from Essendon) are pretty pragmatic, and will listen to offers for players who want to leave.

 

[DobmusEdge]

For non-performance-enhancing drugs, the AFL currently has a "three-strikes" policy, under which only the player and the club doctor are aware of any positive tests until a third such test is received. After the third strike, the club is made aware of the situation and the player may face disciplinary action.

So if a player had two strikes then the club wouldn’t know in theory.

Thanks for the info Olian. So in theory, if a player has two strikes a club can trade him away - the new club has no idea of the strikes - and boom, a third strike becomes a world of hurt

 

[LukeParkerno1]

What's your definition of untouchable?

If West Coast pick up the phone and offer Oscar Allen for McLean are you turning that down?

If we call Geelong and offer Gulden for Stengle do they hang up?

Not a chance.

I don’t have McLean as an untouchable anyway some do here but he’d be in the “it would need to be good but right price”. Stengle wouldn’t be an untouchable for Geelong.

Honestly the untouchables for us personally would be:

Gulden
Warner
Mills
McDonald
McCartin
Rampe
Parker
Blakey
Papley (would consider in an Oliver trade)

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Presumably with players starting to come back to the club for the Skilton on Thursday night, some might have another exit interview, before the first round of list changes...?

 

[Kiama Chris]

From The Age:

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I note the last line of point 3....

He would need to improve his forward play quite a bit.

 

[SGBeach]

No-one is untouchable!
WTF - I hate this americanisation of our game. The AFL is promoting trades at every opportunity. I reckon loyalty should be rewarded.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

He would need to improve his forward play quite a bit.

I'm more of the perspective there may not be a place for him in the starting 23 next year, barring a catastrophic 2023-esque run of injuries.

 

[Bandicoot]

45 (if you believe all the s**t you read)

Could be right. The AFL will NEVER declare a player to have 3 strikes. It detracts from their image and that is more important to them than anything else.

 

[Kiama Chris]

I'm more of the perspective there may not be a place for him in the starting 23 next year, barring a catastrophic 2023-esque run of injuries.

I've previously posted that unless something changes I see him playing CHF and second ruck in VFL.