No Oppo Supporters 2023 General AFL Discussion - incl. AFL Grand Final

[Jewelsbon]

Haha... Cruel but fair.

He's a terrific bloke, he'll have a good laugh at it.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

St Kilda have the exact same win-loss record to round 21 that they had last year, and only a 5% difference in their percentage. Yet they're 5th now when last year they were 9th at the same point. The competition is mediocre this year.

I think that's because of the way they weight the fixture now based on your finish the year prior. Good teams play each other more, which pushes the not-so-good good teams a little lower. And the mid-tier teams play each other more. Pushing the better mid-tier teams up amongst the not-so-good good teams. And the poorer teams play each other more, and the best of the poorer teams push their way up to the mid-tier. So there's a bunch of teams sitting in the mid-tier.

Then the best good teams and best mid-tier teams push into the top 4 spots based on their quality for the former and easier draw for the latter

I think we'll see more of this type of season until the AFL change how they create their fixture.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

He's a terrific bloke, he'll have a good laugh at it.

Even terrific blokes are prone to use the old squirrel grip if you push them far enough. Proceed with caution.

But if you're a squirrel of the female variety, go nuts!

 

[kickthething]

I will still say GWS were not that great for most of the game last week, they won, but that was almost all. They are going a little tall this week, weather says ball will likely be on the ground a fair bit. Clarke will go to Whitfield again, GWS will try to clamp Gulden which will open the door for Campbell to sneak in and be a key distributor, this could be a real breakout game for him as I feel the Giants wont be paying him too much attention. Greene will do Greene things and there isn't much you can do about it, Hogan will play above himself as he has the last few times we have played them, overall its the inclusion of Tom Green

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Tom Green

Age

24

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

that could be critical if he monsters our mids.

This is not a lay down I reckon its more 50/50, even with our outs. A bit of rain would not be terrible.

There is definitely a chance of an unlikely victory here.

 

[The King!]

 

[bedford]

Port fined 100k , that's over the top

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Port fined 100k , that's over the top

That's a crazy fine, but sends a clear message.

 

[ashep]

Good. They deserved a whack.

 

[bedford]

Good. They deserved a whack.

Not that much , maybe loss of points

 

[Kiama Chris]

Not that much , maybe loss of points

Reckon a fine is more appropriate. The amount we could argue forever.

 

[Millky95]

$100k or swap points with Sydney

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Port got off lightly.

Their Doctor should be reported for malpractice.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

I think that's because of the way they weight the fixture now based on your finish the year prior. Good teams play each other more, which pushes the not-so-good good teams a little lower. And the mid-tier teams play each other more. Pushing the better mid-tier teams up amongst the not-so-good good teams. And the poorer teams play each other more, and the best of the poorer teams push their way up to the mid-tier. So there's a bunch of teams sitting in the mid-tier.

Then the best good teams and best mid-tier teams push into the top 4 spots based on their quality for the former and easier draw for the latter

I think we'll see more of this type of season until the AFL change how they create their fixture.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

I lost you at not-so-good good teams didn't I?

 

[bedford]

Port got off lightly.

Their Doctor should be reported for malpractice.

Never made a mistake

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Port got off lightly.

Their Doctor should be reported for malpractice.

Contrast the care given by the Port doctor to our physio and head of sports medicine Damien Raper, who refused to let Rampe back on after his calf strain, even though Ramps was keen as.

I agree with the premise the Port doctor should be reported to APHRA for negligent care. He would know the consequences to Aliir for playing on with concussion and also the AFL's rules around head knocks. He chose to ignore this in the interest of not disadvantaging the club he works for (and no doubt loves). It was no mistake.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

I blame kochie

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Never made a mistake

This was no mistake. He chose not to follow a protocol. It was deliberate. It would be a mistake if he followed the protocol, did the test and incorrectly interpreted it.

I'll put it to you like this. Say you present to your local hospital with chest pain and your doctor actively decides not to follow the protocol and as a result, you end up with a permanent deficit or worse. Would you be happy to put this down to a mistake?

The only reason why the correct procedure has been followed and they are all "sorry" now is because they got caught red handed.

 

[ashep]

Every man and his dog could see that those players should have been assessed. There is zero downside to doing the assessment unless they fail. The doctor clearly choose to avoid the possibility of that consequence.

We're talking about players' lives here. $100k is a small price to pay for negligence in the name of winning a game of footy.

 

[Jewelsbon]

Every man and his dog could see that those players should have been assessed. There is zero downside to doing the assessment unless they fail. The doctor clearly choose to avoid the possibility of that consequence.

We're talking about players' lives here. $100k is a small price to pay for negligence in the name of winning a game of footy.

Stuns me that anyone could view it differently.

 

[sataris]

The only just punishment is to kick St.Kilda out of the comp.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

The only just punishment is to kick St.Kilda out of the comp.

and lolNorf, though Id miss laughing at them.

 

[Wolftone]

We have many players who have had to change roles since coming to the Swans. Over the years we have had great success with turning forwards into backs, mids into backs but one thing we struggle with is changing the roles of backs from intercept or running back to lock down defender. We have two good examples of this at the moment. Will Gould was an intercept defender at Glenelg and his intercepts helped win Glenelg a premiership. We have attempted to turn him into a lock down defender and it has been an absolute disaster. Another who comes to mind is Lachie Rankin. He was a running half back when drafted and now he is responsible for locking down the small forwards. This is a huge change in roles and has not always been a success.

Others we are trying to change:

Jaden Magor was a very good small forward at junior level. But now we have him on the half back flank. Why? Because we drafted too many small forwards. Why did we do that. We had just acquired Hall-Kahan, the in the same draft we got Konstanty. speaking of Hall-Kahan & Konstanty, when Konstanty plays these seem to rotate from wing to small forward. It has worked somewhat but what is obvious is that both kick goals when forward. Leave them there. Hugo might be able to rotate successfully but Konstanty is much more comfortable crumbing and kicking goals.

I know recruiters always say take the best available but that has gotten us to a position of filling the ranks with certain types of players when our need was for another type. for instance, last draft we needed a young tall defender, a big inside mid, to go with Roberts, Rowbottom, Sheldrick & Mills. We drafted, including Hall-Kahan in the mid season, 3 small forwards, 2 medium defenders & a rookie ruck. In 2021 we drafted McAndrew, a project ruck who has come on beautifully it was a need. Sheldrick & Roberts who were both badly needed and both are turning out really well, except for injuries and I believe that is because the group is not fit enough this year. Corey Warner as an outside mid who is great at VFL level but has yet to step up to AFL level. Lackie Rankin as a running half back but we have tried to turn him into Nick Smith. 2021 was much more for need than 2022. Not all players are going to make it and we must realise this. But drafting too many of the same type can do two things, have the player playing in a position not usual for them and therefore have them not playing well and have them delisted because of thei and being picked up by another side that plays them in their original positions and gets best out of them.

I think Rankin and Gould could be picked up and turned into good players if they are played in the right spot. Gould as either an intercept defender, a big bodies mid or a third forward. Rankin as a running back and Magor as a small forward.

The other thing is that some mids do not play permanent forward well. Sheldrick is a good example. Roberts another. We need to play kids in their preferred position as much as possible to get the best out of them. I do not like Clarke playing as a lock down forward on players like Whitfield. Whitfield is far too quick for him, so is Ash. I would prefer we bring in a small forward that can score multiple goals and chase, catch and tackle. Hall-Kahan has been doing this beautifully. The last match he was wonderful. Konstanty, just back from injury, got plenty of minutes and started to show us why he was drafted. Magor and Rankin played ok but in the matches where Rankin was able to run he was much better.

 

[Kiama Chris]

We have many players who have had to change roles since coming to the Swans. Over the years we have had great success with turning forwards into backs, mids into backs but one thing we struggle with is changing the roles of backs from intercept or running back to lock down defender. We have two good examples of this at the moment. Will Gould was an intercept defender at Glenelg and his intercepts helped win Glenelg a premiership. We have attempted to turn him into a lock down defender and it has been an absolute disaster. Another who comes to mind is Lachie Rankin. He was a running half back when drafted and now he is responsible for locking down the small forwards. This is a huge change in roles and has not always been a success.

Others we are trying to change:

Jaden Magor was a very good small forward at junior level. But now we have him on the half back flank. Why? Because we drafted too many small forwards. Why did we do that. We had just acquired Hall-Kahan, the in the same draft we got Konstanty. speaking of Hall-Kahan & Konstanty, when Konstanty plays these seem to rotate from wing to small forward. It has worked somewhat but what is obvious is that both kick goals when forward. Leave them there. Hugo might be able to rotate successfully but Konstanty is much more comfortable crumbing and kicking goals.

I know recruiters always say take the best available but that has gotten us to a position of filling the ranks with certain types of players when our need was for another type. for instance, last draft we needed a young tall defender, a big inside mid, to go with Roberts, Rowbottom, Sheldrick & Mills. We drafted, including Hall-Kahan in the mid season, 3 small forwards, 2 medium defenders & a rookie ruck. In 2021 we drafted McAndrew, a project ruck who has come on beautifully it was a need. Sheldrick & Roberts who were both badly needed and both are turning out really well, except for injuries and I believe that is because the group is not fit enough this year. Corey Warner as an outside mid who is great at VFL level but has yet to step up to AFL level. Lackie Rankin as a running half back but we have tried to turn him into Nick Smith. 2021 was much more for need than 2022. Not all players are going to make it and we must realise this. But drafting too many of the same type can do two things, have the player playing in a position not usual for them and therefore have them not playing well and have them delisted because of thei and being picked up by another side that plays them in their original positions and gets best out of them.

I think Rankin and Gould could be picked up and turned into good players if they are played in the right spot. Gould as either an intercept defender, a big bodies mid or a third forward. Rankin as a running back and Magor as a small forward.

The other thing is that some mids do not play permanent forward well. Sheldrick is a good example. Roberts another. We need to play kids in their preferred position as much as possible to get the best out of them. I do not like Clarke playing as a lock down forward on players like Whitfield. Whitfield is far too quick for him, so is Ash. I would prefer we bring in a small forward that can score multiple goals and chase, catch and tackle. Hall-Kahan has been doing this beautifully. The last match he was wonderful. Konstanty, just back from injury, got plenty of minutes and started to show us why he was drafted. Magor and Rankin played ok but in the matches where Rankin was able to run he was much better.

I reckon that "best available" is rubbish, or should be. I worked a long time in industry and you recruited the best fit to both the job description and the organisation and that's what a sporting team should do. The only time to deviate is when there just isn't one of those available or they are prohibitively expensive. As far as the draft is concerned you might need to pick your second need first to get the best quality but pick your needs.
I managed people for all those years and insisted that getting the best out of people was using their strengths and developing to cover their weaknesses.
Running Magor for a while at HB to help develop his defensive skills isn't a bad thing in itself but leaving him there might well be.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I reckon that "best available" is rubbish, or should be. I worked a long time in industry and you recruited the best fit to both the job description and the organisation and that's what a sporting team should do. The only time to deviate is when there just isn't one of those available or they are prohibitively expensive. As far as the draft is concerned you might need to pick your second need first to get the best quality but pick your needs.
I managed people for all those years and insisted that getting the best out of people was using their strengths and developing to cover their weaknesses.
Running Magor for a while at HB to help develop his defensive skills isn't a bad thing in itself but leaving him there might well be.

Thoughtful and terrific posts from Wolftone and Kiama Chris