List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

There's a link in the post above

 

[CrowsGoal]

Why does everyone think Bulldogs paid 3 firsts for Pick 4 (plus scraps)? According to the AFL site, Bulldogs get GC's future first as well.

 

[Firewalker]

Bwahahahaha. No way a first round pick for himm is involved.

if a pick in the 30’s is involved, we can treat that as a miracle.

I’d usually be saying the same thing but like I said they have been really one-eyed in identifying they specifically want him and he wants to go there which GWS sometimes struggle to convince players to do, so they might even trade it back a little but I would think if they want Himmelberg that 1st round pick will be involved as they don’t have another pick until 40 odd with Flynn’s compensation

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Why does everyone think Bulldogs paid 3 firsts for Pick 4 (plus scraps)? According to the AFL site, Bulldogs get GC's future first as well.

Isn't that what 10, 17 & F1 is?

 

[Crow till I die]

10 and 17 get swallowed up with matching bids (more realisticlly swapped for sencond rounders for points).

The really only keep the future first.

They will be further trading 10 & 17 and will get good deals for both and may well end up with future picks and points

 

[dogs105]

Why does everyone think Bulldogs paid 3 firsts for Pick 4 (plus scraps)? According to the AFL site, Bulldogs get GC's future first as well.

link please??? I didn't see that.

 

[Kenny Dee]

Isn't that what 10, 17 & F1 is?

More than just pick 4 is what he's saying.
Pick 4 plus a F 1st

 

[Bearded Clam]

Why does everyone think Bulldogs paid 3 firsts for Pick 4 (plus scraps)? According to the AFL site, Bulldogs get GC's future first as well.

Its wrong..

It is 10, 17 and f1 for 4, 46 and 51 (the last two picks being junk but they may be able to use them for croft if they get desperate)

 

[Kenny Dee]

More than just pick 4 is what he's saying.
Pick 4 plus a F 1st

That looks to be wrong though the future 1st?

 

[dogs105]

More than just pick 4 is what he's saying.
Pick 4 plus a F 1st

Seems to be 3 1sts for 4 and 3 3rds

 

[CrowsGoal]

Isn't that what 10, 17 & F1 is?

Sure, but they're paying that for Pick 4 and F1, not just Pick 4.

 

[dogs105]

Sure, but they're paying that for Pick 4 and F1, not just Pick 4.

pick 4 , 2 thirds and F3 apparently

 

[Bearded Clam]

Bulldogs trade their two first-round picks this season – No.10 and 17 – as well as their first-round pick in 2024 in exchange for the Suns' pick No.4.

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The Suns have also traded the Bulldogs their third-round picks this year – No.46 and 51, both bumped back a spot by the Tom Doedee

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compensation pick – to ensure the Dogs have extra points to match a bid for father-son talent Jordan Croft,

Bulldogs land pick No.4 in pick swap with Suns

 

[CrowsGoal]

The AFL tracker says Bulldogs receive GC future first

 

[Eagleboy2011]

More than just pick 4 is what he's saying.
Pick 4 plus a F 1st

No problrm. Misread your post.

 

[dogs105]

The AFL tracker says Bulldogs receive GC future first

Yes it does, but the article text says it's a future 3rd.

 

[dogs105]

Why does everyone think Bulldogs paid 3 firsts for Pick 4 (plus scraps)? According to the AFL site, Bulldogs get GC's future first as well.
Gold Coast in: 10, 17, WB F1
Gold Coast out: 4, 46, 51, GCS F3

Gold Coast's future first isn't involved.

AFL Draft Tracker is wrong

 

[CrowsGoal]

Ah sorry all, the article mentions GC future third so maybe tracker is wrong. As you were!

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Sure, but they're paying that for Pick 4 and F1, not just Pick 4.

Gold Coast trading pick No.4, 46, 51 and a future third-round selection for the Dogs’ picks 10, 17 and a future first-round pick.

 

[Vader]

Sure, but they're paying that for Pick 4 and F1, not just Pick 4.

No... the F1 is going from the Dogs, to GC.

The Dogs are receiving pick #4 and 3x 3rd round picks.

 

[BigBoSS_Riot]

AFL Draft Tracker is wrong

Deleted the post (it wasn't formatted correctly, and the correct answer had already been posted).

 

[baldandbroke]

Hi knowledgeable peoples.

I thought you could only take in the number of picks to the draft table that you had vacancies on your list? Wasn't that brought in to stop the stockpiling of a heap of lowly picks to match a bid up high? So how's this all gonna work for these clubs swapping out a low pick for a bunch of seconds / thirds?

How many players do we think we will be drafting in 2023?

If we have 9 - 19 - 22 - 25 already, plus something for McAdam, could we be gunning for Pick 5 from Melbourne? Or with our F1, maybe higher?

 

[Vader]

Hi knowledgeable peoples.

I thought you could only take in the number of picks to the draft table that you had vacancies on your list? Wasn't that brought in to stop the stockpiling of a heap of lowly picks to match a bid up high? So how's this all gonna work for these clubs swapping out a low pick for a bunch of seconds / thirds?

Yes, it was. However, don't forget that clubs can go with 38/4, 37/5, or 36/6 list structures, and they can go into the ND with picks for those extra positions (which they ultimately fill via the RD).

How many players do we think we will be drafting in 2023?

I'd be moderately surprised if we select more than 2 in the ND. Maybe 3 at the outside.

If we have 9 - 19 - 22 - 25 already, plus something for McAdam, could we be gunning for Pick 5 from Melbourne? Or with our F1, maybe higher?

Possible, but doubtful. We're more likely to be trying to trade any excess picks (of value) into the 2024 draft.

** My opinions only.

 

[Redline]

Rozee and Butters will only be better - I think Port might get at best 4th (with everything falling their way) but could end up between that and that 10-12 bracket

People say Rozee and Butters will get better but will they? All players have a ceiling. They are already elite players and both played nearly every game in 2023. I think at best they improve slightly or maintain their current output.

JHF obviously has scope to improve but I think most of their improvement needs to come from outside their best players.

 

[relapse]

People say Rozee and Butters will get better but will they? All players have a ceiling. They are already elite players and both played nearly every game in 2023. I think at best they improve slightly or maintain their current output.

JHF obviously has scope to improve but I think most of their improvement needs to come from outside their best players.

I tend to agree

Butters was one of the favourites for the Brownlow, that suggests that his output this year was exceptional.

He's not always going to be at level every season and I actually think that players now normally debut and play much younger than they used to and are hitting their ceiling at around 23-25 years old so I think he's most probably close to his ceiling.

 

[NTRabbit]

Left standing at the altar with a bunch of picks and not enough list spots to use them on because we extended a couple of crabs