List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

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There's a link in the post above

 

[UcantCme]

Watched Gould's debut game in Gather Round V Richmond. He had no idea of the game plan and just ran around pointing and trying to look busy. Would not even Rookie.

is that the player, or the development of young defenders to the game plan by their coaches ?

let’s also remember Sydney’s early season form was horrific, their entire game plan broke down and was getting smashed in the midfield, this exposes the back 6-7 even more


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[FullyBigKPro]

Whatever we do, I hope we have one eye on next years draft as will need a top 5, maybe top 3 pick to ensure we can get Draper.

 

[dogs105]

Not infallible?????

That’s like saying silent J gets the odd thing wrong

I thought you'd like that

 

[StonesThrow]

People say Rozee and Butters will get better but will they? All players have a ceiling. They are already elite players and both played nearly every game in 2023. I think at best they improve slightly or maintain their current output.

JHF obviously has scope to improve but I think most of their improvement needs to come from outside their best players.

People also said they were overrated and not that good as recent at last season (some still said that early this season) when their form was a bit patchy.

It's called bias and thinking they won't improve given their age is also bias. If they played for the Crows we'd be finding 100 ways they could still improve and would point to their age to back it up.

 

[Bearded Clam]

People say Rozee and Butters will get better but will they? All players have a ceiling. They are already elite players and both played nearly every game in 2023. I think at best they improve slightly or maintain their current output.

JHF obviously has scope to improve but I think most of their improvement needs to come from outside their best players.

All three of them.. rozee, butters and jhf far too often go missing for large parts of big games..

Downhill skiers the three of them.. great against the poorer sides but only seen in flashy bursts against the better sides.

JHF is still very young so has plenty to learn but the other two have been in the system 5 years and should be consistently dominating by now.. even against the top sides.

But its strange.. half of ports issue I believe is that they thought putting all three of them in the cb’s at the same time.. and wines on a wing.. was a good idea.

They should have had wines in there at nearly all centre bounces as the workhorse type grunt teamed up with two of rozee, jhf or butters. Then throw Drew in the mix when they need to blanket a red hot opposition midfielder..

 

[crow2crow]

All three of them.. rozee, butters and jhf far too often go missing for large parts of big games..

Downhill skiers the three of them.. great against the poorer sides but only seen in flashy bursts against the better sides.

JHF is still very young so has plenty to learn but the other two have been in the system 5 years and should be consistently dominating by now.. even against the top sides.

But its strange.. half of ports issue I believe is that they thought putting all three of them in the cb’s at the same time.. and wines on a wing.. was a good idea.

They should have had wines in there at nearly all centre bounces as the workhorse type grunt teamed up with two of rozee, jhf or butters. Then throw Drew in the mix when they need to blanket a red hot opposition midfielder..

i dont agree re butters

 

[Sanders]

i dont agree re butters

Fascinating

 

[Crow till I die]

Draper is only one of about 10 that look outstanding prospects. Sid's ball use isn't at the same level as several rated around him. Teammate Phoenix Hargrave is no slouch either.

What would your strategy be with what picks we have - would you be trying to trade into next year to secure extra 1st rounders or do you rate this draft enough to try and trade up our 2nds to get extra 1sts this year

 

[cleanhands]

Draper is only one of about 10 that look outstanding prospects. Sid's ball use isn't at the same level as several rated around him. Teammate Phoenix Hargrave is no slouch either.

I liked the look of Willson you displayed, body looks ready to play, havent seen him play, how far of is he, or is he up to it

 

[George Kramer]

Nothing wrong with the players in the 1st round this year, just doesn't have the depth of potential A grade mids in next year's draft. Some pretty decent talls this year though. I'll leave the list strategy to Justin Reid and the recruiting guys

We have and they haven’t drafted a developing ruck like you requested for a number of years plus they brought in Turner and Brown against your wishes, so why are you leaving it to them and not providing an opinion?

 

[cleanhands]

I've liked Billy Wilson for some time especially in one game for VC coming off half back with his speed, run and dare, areal metres gained running back type. After the Nationals the Stingrays played him more midfield partnered with Harry DeMattia in there and he looked pretty good in his new role. I think he gets drafted probably in the back half of the draft so not likely we'll be picking him if we're only taking 2 maybe 3 picks...unless we pulled another Tom Doedee like move of course.

I like a bid body with pace, foot skills?

 

[crow2crow]

So…

if we use our F1 we are dumb..

BUT

we should be trading our F1 for another first rounder this year?..

not sure that makes sense..

my point is we dont need to use a F1 to get pick 10. suns need points not picks. pick 12 say is not worth as much as 22 and 25 or whatever it is now.

 

[Crow till I die]

my point is we dont need to use a F1 to get pick 10. suns need points not picks. pick 12 say is not worth as much as 22 and 25 or whatever it is now.

If you have clubs offering points AND an F1 and you have a club (us in this example) offering points only and NO F1..tell us why GC should take our offer?

 

[crow2crow]

What if all we get for mcadam is 34?..

if thats all the dees give then as far as I’m concerned we take it for a deal like this for the suns pick..

or we send Mcadam to the PSD with a fuxk you to the dees and with the promise that if he’s there at our pick that we’ll take him.. but I dont think he’d still be there at our 1st pick in the PSd.. WC would probably snatch him!

nah freo will take him
wc will snap up brockman in psd

 

[croweater 41]

Do we think we are looking at getting our hands on 10 and 17 from GC?

Something like 10, 17, 72, Burgess for 19, 22, 25?

Gives GC an extra 120 points. It looks like 25 for Burgess and 72 which is a lot yes maybe a future something, but GC traded away futures already.

But that gives 3 picks in the top 20 (3 picks we have access too not counting FS and academy players so still top 20) of a shallow draft.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Watched Gould's debut game in Gather Round V Richmond. He had no idea of the game plan and just ran around pointing and trying to look busy. Would not even Rookie.

He must best mates with Ned. That's what he does.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Do we think we are looking at getting our hands on 10 and 17 from GC?

Something like 10, 17, 72, Burgess for 19, 22, 25?

Gives GC an extra 120 points. It looks like 25 for Burgess and 72 which is a lot yes maybe a future something, but GC traded away futures already.

But that gives 3 picks in the top 20 (3 picks we have access too not counting FS and academy players so still top 20) of a shallow draft.

I don’t think that’s enough to satisfy them.

The risk for us is that another team puts a F2 on the table. We need to hoard our 2024 picks.

 

[croweater 41]

I don’t think that’s enough to satisfy them.

The risk for us is that another team puts a F2 on the table. We need to hoard our 2024 picks.

I agree with hoarding we need to be wary but also without knowing what does the 2025 draft look like for us? Do you risk going into deficit? Maybe another deal (McAdam, H'berg*, other name) goes for a future pick or two and we hoard that way.

And GC are looking at potentially moving some of their later picks to futures for the purpose of not taking to many picks to the draft if no one happens to offer a F2 for 17 or something similar.


*If he is allowed to leave.

 

[Golumless]

Do we think we are looking at getting our hands on 10 and 17 from GC?

Something like 10, 17, 72, Burgess for 19, 22, 25?

Gives GC an extra 120 points. It looks like 25 for Burgess and 72 which is a lot yes maybe a future something, but GC traded away futures already.

But that gives 3 picks in the top 20 (3 picks we have access too not counting FS and academy players so still top 20) of a shallow draft.

i think you'd be happy if that was the result for Adelaide - not sure about Gold Coast.

Throw in whatever we get from McAdam (lets say, 35) and it probably evens though.

 

[DangerSloane]

Yes our next star midfielder attending 1-2 CB's per game .
Lets see if that changes in 2024. If he was ready for more midfield minutes, surely the coaches would of thrown him in there more.

How many CB was Laird attending before he got moved in there?
To assume the coaches are always right is pretty daft.

 

[Sanders]

Do we think we are looking at getting our hands on 10 and 17 from GC?

Something like 10, 17, 72, Burgess for 19, 22, 25?

Gives GC an extra 120 points. It looks like 25 for Burgess and 72 which is a lot yes maybe a future something, but GC traded away futures already.

But that gives 3 picks in the top 20 (3 picks we have access too not counting FS and academy players so still top 20) of a shallow draft.

Why the bleep is 72 there?

This draft will be long over by then

 

[Golumless]

Yes our next star midfielder attending 1-2 CB's per game .
Lets see if that changes in 2024. If he was ready for more midfield minutes, surely the coaches would of thrown him in there more.

Yup. This is one of those cases where that is dead on.

Unfortunately in 2023, if you wanted to kill Luke Pedlars output, you gave him CBA's. It may change in '24-'25 as he gets fitter, has a longer run being healthy, more experienced and trains as a midfielder, but at the moment, it looks just as likely Pedlar ceiling is a good 3rd-5th forward (kind of Jason Porplyzia-ish?) as it is a star inside midfielder.

Especially if another major injury gets thrown into the mix.

 

[croweater 41]

Why the bleep is 72 there?

This draft will be long over by then

Relieves GC of a pick they aren't going to use (nor are we) but GC can't take more picks than they have spots available on their list. So them trading 2 picks for 3 is not a worthwhile exercise. At least 3 for 3 leaves them in the same spot.

 

[cleanhands]

Foot skills decent in space/off half back, not quite as good when he played the few games in the midfield but that's to be expected given he hasn't had much exposure to that role which is far more congested, lacks nothing in hardness for the midfield role though.

Sounds like a good prospect to me, if he has good reflex hand skills I would be licking my lips

 

[Redline]

Jon Ralph reporting the Kangaroo's might offer 14 and a future 1st for pick 11? Presumably there assistant package pick.

It's crazy overs, that why we cant lose holding our f1 for next year now. Either we use it on a possible gun midfielder, trade for a good player or if Welsh turns out to be what we hope then there will be plenty of better deals on offer than we would get now.