List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[freo_leo29]

I understand the theory of drafting best available. And I am sure that somewhere on this board I was even in favour at one stage. However, I find myself in the weird position of believing that drafting mids, wings, half anything, in the first round is more counter productive than people realise. Yes I know you need quality mids. But...

From a trade point of view, trading in KPD's or KPF's is way too expensive. But you can get good quality mids at discount prices. Additionally the mids and halves, are usually quality all the way through to the mid second round. Teams constantly draft quality mids in the 40's.

So Jackson might be a win long term when considering production alone. But we paid sooooo much for him. Two first rounds, never happy with that. I liked our rule from earlier in the rebuild. No R1 trades.

As a side note, we drafted Amiss for long term, wasn't Jackson supposed to the be quick fix? After all his salary is why we don't have Acres or Logue (a reason why we couldn't score on the weekend). It was a bet the farm for a GF kind of play, which might still work, but the odds are getting longer on that.

Jackson was long term too

You can't trade in a 'quick fix' player when they were performing at AFL like Jackson was, he was purely a potential buy

 

[Son of a Wizard]

One thing I will never understand is when we lose all that experience of Lobb, Acres, Logue, Tucker etc and we have such a young list, and Fyfe is playing forward, then why did we not keep Mundy on the list? We could have used him sparingly, he could have been an onfield coach. He could have played a bit forward. And maybe we only played him for 15 games or so.

Why did we not encourage him to go around one more time?

Lets face it, and I am not against JOM but he is no Mundy. Even my Hawks friend who loves JOM said Mundy is way above him.

It's a mystery.

 

[Mags98]

One thing I will never understand is when we lose all that experience of Lobb, Acres, Logue, Tucker etc and we have such a young list, and Fyfe is playing forward, then why did we not keep Mundy on the list? We could have used him sparingly, he could have been an onfield coach. He could have played a bit forward. And maybe we only played him for 15 games or so.

Why did we not encourage him to go around one more time?

Lets face it, and I am not against JOM but he is no Mundy. Even my Hawks friend who loves JOM said Mundy is way above him.

It's a mystery.

maybe he didnt want to play again?

 

[manpurple]

One thing I will never understand is when we lose all that experience of Lobb, Acres, Logue, Tucker etc and we have such a young list, and Fyfe is playing forward, then why did we not keep Mundy on the list? We could have used him sparingly, he could have been an onfield coach. He could have played a bit forward. And maybe we only played him for 15 games or so.

Why did we not encourage him to go around one more time?

Lets face it, and I am not against JOM but he is no Mundy. Even my Hawks friend who loves JOM said Mundy is way above him.

It's a mystery.

Supposedly Hawks are paying a bunch of JOM's salary. We also seemed to have front loaded Lobb's contract. By all accounts we offered unders for Acres and Logue. So I wonder if we needed cash and couldn't pony up.

 

[Son of a Wizard]

maybe he didnt want to play again?

Do you really believe that?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Supposedly Hawks are paying a bunch of JOM's salary. We also seemed to have front loaded Lobb's contract. By all accounts we offered unders for Acres and Logue. So I wonder if we needed cash and couldn't pony up.

There's no way we couldnt have afforded him if we wanted to keep him on the list. I think there's some purple coloured glasses with Mundy at the moment because of our start, he was slowing down significantly last year and to say he struggled to run both ways is an understatement. Who knows what he would have looked like this year

 

[G Mus]

Do you really believe that?

I doubt he wanted to be a Peel player or permanent sub

 

[Son of a Wizard]

I doubt he wanted to be a Peel player or permanent sub

He would never have been either.

 

[Mags98]

Do you really believe that?

what makes you think otherwise lol

 

[Son of a Wizard]

Gut feeling. Body language. Old dog would not have taken much convincing to go around again.

And if managed properly he would have been a force. We played him too much last year. I think we should have only played him half of the away games. So he would have been cherry ripe for finals.

Anyway we will never know....

Unless they pick him up in the midseason draft.

 

[Taylor]

It wasn't a coincidence that David Mundy

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David Mundy

Age

39

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.1

5star

K

11.2

4star

HB

11.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

4.3

5star

CL

5.1

5star

D

15.7

4star

K

6.7

3star

HB

9.0

4star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.7

4star

CL

3.7

5star

D

27.8

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

12.4

5star

M

5.8

5star

T

6.2

5star

CL

7.2

5star

's opponent usually featured in the brownlow votes. His opponent was being targeted to move the ball out of stoppages, you could argue having such a weakness allowed us to plan for that to happen, knowing the opposition would try and move the ball near Mundy anyway and all he needed to do was handball to one of our mids on the outside who were moving to defend - resulting in them running out of the stoppages sideways and then forward. Sound familiar?

My memory of last year was a lot of Mundy handballs to the likes of Brayshaw who was running towards the wing or half forward flank.

 

[Docker82]

Mundy was too slow last year to keep up with opposition mids defensively. It was pretty damn obvious from the games I attended last year (ie every home game) and at times was painful to watch.

Retiring was 100% the right decision. He was done.

What made no sense what so ever was to recruit an inside mid with all the same weaknesses but without the elite right boot.

Another thing that was pretty bloody obvious at the game was how much better we were with extra speed (Switta) in there. Should've kept Acres and given NOD time on the inside.

 

[theGav56]

We are screwed if Jackson doesn’t come on aren’t we? We won’t be going near a first round pick this year with our first pick linked to the improving North Melbournes 2nd round pick

Would be devastating. We do have Max Knobel. He looks a good prospect as a ruck/forward, but still a long way off.

 

[A Mantle Full]

Mundy was too slow last year to keep up with opposition mids defensively. It was pretty damn obvious from the games I attended last year (ie every home game) and at times was painful to watch.

Retiring was 100% the right decision. He was done.

What made no sense what so ever was to recruit an inside mid with all the same weaknesses but without the elite right boot.

Another thing that was pretty bloody obvious at the game was how much better we were with extra speed (Switta) in there. Should've kept Acres and given NOD time on the inside.

Definitely should have kept Acres.

 

[millsy]

Mundy was too slow last year to keep up with opposition mids defensively. It was pretty damn obvious from the games I attended last year (ie every home game) and at times was painful to watch.

Retiring was 100% the right decision. He was done.

What made no sense what so ever was to recruit an inside mid with all the same weaknesses but without the elite right boot.

Another thing that was pretty bloody obvious at the game was how much better we were with extra speed (Switta) in there. Should've kept Acres and given NOD time on the inside.

I still don't quite understand the list management decisions around the midfield group last off season, and they aren't any clearer with hindsight (so far).

We committed to Mundy retiring, lowballed Acres, presumably because we needed options for Erasmus and Johnson. JOM became available (relatively) late in the process, we appear to have added him as a direct swap for Mundy, and now it seems Erasmus and Johnson aren't ready. Maybe NOD was penciled in for inside time like you suggest? I'm still unsure what our play might have been if JOM chose GWS.

 

[Taylor]

Johnson is the long term Mundy replacement, he just hasn't proven anything at AFL level yet so securing a mature player and leader to have some experience in the midfield when the Hawks will pay a huge chunk of his salary in the last year of his existing deal makes sense to me.

 

[Ysaye]

Do you really believe that?

Mundy actually talked at length about three weeks ago on radio about how he really didn't want to go on and is happy being retired; said his body was feeling broken and said he shuddered just watching one of the pre-season games and was feeling grateful it wasn't his body that was being run into anymore.

 

[theGav56]

Chapman to the midfield? But he's nearly perfected his kicking sideways?

 

[MrDanggazz]

Jackson trade makes no sense in action as it did on paper, unless Darcy is planning on returning home to Victoria, this trade that we all thought was stupid will be one of the worst trades of all time.

 

[theGav56]

Nah we definitely do have run out of the back. I saw Wilson run and gun out of defense multiple times at the game. I haven't seen anyone praise him for it though.

If Walker comes in, Wilson will be the casualty.

 

[wakojako]

If Walker comes in, Wilson will be the casualty.

Wilson can sub or better yet, we can play around with the magnets and push one of our talented defenders up the field.

 

[theGav56]

Wilson can sub or better yet, we can play around with the magnets and push one of our talented defenders up the field.

I think the problem is that 'we' can't do that. We are all about defending.

 

[Bigger]

Jackson trade makes no sense in action as it did on paper, unless Darcy is planning on returning home to Victoria, this trade that we all thought was stupid will be one of the worst trades of all time.

Nah. Jackson will come good. I feel it in my bones.

He has time.

 

[Outshined]

Jackson trade makes no sense in action as it did on paper, unless Darcy is planning on returning home to Victoria, this trade that we all thought was stupid will be one of the worst trades of all time.

Jackson trade makes far more sense if he's utilised correctly.

He shouldn't be an 80% KPF - that was never his main strength. I'd hope they're building him towards a Blicavs on steroids sort of role. The sort of utility he has the potential to offer is genuinely special.

It'll take a while to find his niche and he is only 21 but I'm fair confident we won't get the best out of him if he's shoehorned as a KPF.

 

[Taylor]

If we can just break even at the bounce when the field is spread our defense will blunt attacks enough for us to win.

2023:
Freo/Opp
Total Clearances 58/82 (Minus 24)
Centre Clearances 16/25 (Minus 9)
Stoppage Clearances 42/57 (Minus 15)

We are averaging basically half a game worth of clearances down on our opposition each week, but an entire game down out of the bounce.