List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[JammoMonty]

We drafted a guy in 2016 who looked to be a pretty promising Key Forward as a teenager. Was a pick in the 40s but you know...hidden gems etc. Instead of committing to him and developing him we sold the farm for Hogan and Lobb and pushed him to the side after a couple of injuries and then bought him back the next year as a defender.

I wonder what he could've been like if we persisted with him up there. Always was a very good contested mark.

And on your first point, Logue has got to be the most uninspiring first pick of a rebuild.

Logue was a bust.

 

[Hamann188]

JVR's little brother is listed at 193cm. Might grow a bit more. Hard to imagine he isn't cut from the same cloth. Rookie me mentions he has the same sort of characteristics with potent leap/mark/attack on the ball. Has kicked 3, 2 and 5 at Colts. Would be my number one target right now. Might need to get him to slow down.

 

[freo1997]

Logue was a bust.

Half our team is a bust tbh….

 

[Docker82]

I think the whole 'third, forth, first second' talls status thing is rubbish tbh.

So many more variables to consider there than height/weight.

If Georgiades comes back from his ACL well enough, he'd be good Sturt depth.

Georgiades isn’t a third tall. If you’re going to call him one you might as well call Amiss a third tall.

Also depth for Sturt? ****ing LOL. He’s a way better footballer than Sturt.

 

[Joao]

Whoever was talking up Buller might be on to something, saw him called "mid-season hopeful" somewhere.

With Tabs out, genuinely wouldn't surprise me if it was us.

 

[freo1997]

Georgiades isn’t a third tall. If you’re going to call him one you might as well call Amiss a third tall.

Also depth for Sturt? ****ing LOL. He’s a way better footballer than Sturt.

He is off to WCE anyway..

He isn’t the answer to our problems.

Coach/gameplan is the issue. Reckon we need a replacement for AP over a fwd. So this off season should be a KPD and possibly a fast winger. Draft or get the best moneyball options.

Build the fwd line around Amiss. The core nucleus is there. We need a replacement for Walters and that’s about it.

Let me just end and say a Primed Wayne Carey would be lucky to take 2 marks and kick a goal in a fwd line. Cause of the way we transition into and deliver into it. Nothing to do with the personnel in it.

 

[Joao]

He is off to WCE anyway..

He isn’t the answer to our problems.

Coach/gameplan is the issue. Reckon we need a replacement for AP over a fwd. So this off season should be a KPD and possibly a fast winger. Draft or get the best moneyball options.

Build the fwd line around Amiss. The core nucleus is there. We need a replacement for Walters and that’s about it.

Let me just end and say a Primed Wayne Carey would be lucky to take 2 marks and kick a goal in a fwd line. Cause of the way we transition into and deliver into it. Nothing to do with the personnel in it.

Given how quick Draper made his way into the emergencies, I think we already have our Pearce replacement.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Georgiades isn’t a third tall. If you’re going to call him one you might as well call Amiss a third tall.

Also depth for Sturt? ****ing LOL. He’s a way better footballer than Sturt.

Think you might want to read that again.

 

[freo1997]

Given how quick Draper made his way into the emergencies, I think we already have our Pearce replacement.

Hope so!

Physically AP seems cooked. Has to change something up next off season to get the body right.

 

[rgauci]

Georgiades isn’t a third tall. If you’re going to call him one you might as well call Amiss a third tall.

Also depth for Sturt? ****ing LOL. He’s a way better footballer than Sturt.

Georgiades has done an ACL. He kicks poorly inside 50 and his 1 wood is his massive vertical leap, good hands and straight kicking.

Unfortunately post ACL the leap often disappears. There is no point chasing him.

 

[Dockeroo]

Have said several times on here that Alex Pearce

25

Alex Pearce

Age

29

Ht

201cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

106.3

2star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.0

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

MG

103.2

2star

should only be playing 8 games a season and Logue should have been kept to play the rest.
Even when good, Pearce offers one thing - ability to lock down 200cm giants.
He’s needed against the following:
Tom hawkins

26

Tom Hawkins

Age

36

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

Harry McKay

10

Harry Mckay

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

Tom lynch
Charlie Dixon

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Charlie Dixon

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.6

5star

D

10.5

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.5

2star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

G

2.5

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

The King Brothers
2 metre peter

That’s about it really.
Logue was/is a better number one key defender against all other opponents.
Pearce should never have been made captain.
In a few weeks time when Jeremy cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

31

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

is running around at Optus tearing us a new arseh*le and probably kicking 8 goals plus, that’s when we will really miss Logue.

 

[wakojako]

Given how quick Draper made his way into the emergencies, I think we already have our Pearce replacement.

Davies is more of a Pearce replacement but he hasn't shown much atm. I do like his mongrel though.

 

[Dockeroo]

Davies is more of a Pearce replacement but he hasn't shown much atm. I do like his mongrel though.

Wouldnt even bother judging Davies till at least midway though 2024

 

[blue shark]

Davies is more of a Pearce replacement but he hasn't shown much atm. I do like his mongrel though.

Did you see our draft hand?
Redo the draft from our position and it’s almost a lucky dip.
We have sold the farm for both Hogan and Jackson, and still have no forwards.
Then you have actual forwards who don’t get a game or poor development.
Tabs, Fyfe, Banfield, you can see the fear in the oppositions eye.
So many players to take the next step have to actually tackle.
That aggression that Davies shows will be trained out of him.

 

[Superkoops]

Ras and Treacy are unproven, Rooyen has kicked 9 goals in 4 games. Yes it's a bit nuffie but you give so much to the club and they continue to find ways to dissapoint you.

I have no issues with our 2021 draft. I believe he would have been on our radar at pick 21 but was selected around 19 from memory. We went KPF with our first selection no. 8. That was a decently early call but rumours were Richmond immediately following 8 were very keen. We rated Amiss very highly and higher than JVR. The finals and the game against GC (for Amiss) show how good he will be. He had a disrupted PS and very disrupted 2022 yet looks as exciting a talent as any recent pick up. Erasmus needs time but having watched a fair bit of him at Hale and Subi colts he will justify the selection 10 for mine. We went KPF and big bodied inside mid at 10. Both addressed needs. Johnson was best available at 21. JVR was a reach at 10. I liked him from his underage performances but was rated around 13-20 (second half of 1st round). When they got to about pick 18 or thereabouts I was very happy that both JVR and Johnson were still available.

Got to remember Treacy showed some exciting talent as KPF throughout 2021.

As for Kosi Pickett if we could get him with F1 alone then maybe but based on his performances as a pick 12 draftee and the history of our dealings with Melbourne you’re dreaming if you think F1 alone would get the deal done.

 

[wakojako]

I have no issues with our 2021 draft. I believe he would have been on our radar at pick 21 but was selected around 19 from memory. We went KPF with our first selection no. 8. That was a decently early call but rumours were Richmond immediately following 8 were very keen. We rated Amiss very highly and higher than JVR. The finals and the game against GC (for Amiss) show how good he will be. He had a disrupted PS and very disrupted 2022 yet looks as exciting a talent as any recent pick up. Erasmus needs time but having watched a fair bit of him at Hale and Subi colts he will justify the selection 10 for mine. We went KPF and big bodied inside mid at 10. Both addressed needs. Johnson was best available at 21. JVR was a reach at 10. I liked him from his underage performances but was rated around 13-20 (second half of 1st round). When they got to about pick 18 or thereabouts I was very happy that both JVR and Johnson were still available.

Got to remember Treacy showed some exciting talent as KPF throughout 2021.

As for Kosi Pickett if we could get him with F1 alone then maybe but based on his performances as a pick 12 draftee and the history of our dealings with Melbourne you’re dreaming if you think F1 alone would get the deal done.

I disagree that JVR was a reach at ten and I always rated Johnson higher than Erasmus. We could have gotten:
Amiss (8) JVR (10) and Johnson (21).
But you seem to have watched more of Erasmus than me and Walls and co seem to agree so I'll take your word for it. I'll support him and hopefully he'll become the player we want him to!

 

[Hamann188]

I disagree that JVR was a reach at ten and I always rated Johnson higher than Erasmus. We could have gotten:
Amiss (8) JVR (10) and Johnson (21).
But you seem to have watched more of Erasmus than me and Walls and co seem to agree so I'll take your word for it. I'll support him and hopefully he'll become the player we want him to!

I wonder where Raz would have ended up if we'd taken JVR instead of him.

 

[sumavich]

Georgiades won't come to Freo, more likely West Coast.
Wouldn't be surprised if Collingwood make a play for him

 

[sumavich]

I wonder where Raz would have ended up if we'd taken JVR instead of him.

Toast I reckon.
I watched a bit of Erasmus at PSA and he was a standout. Bit like Reuben Ginbey last year.
If he hasn't come on, that's on Freo's rap sheet, not Erasmus imo.
Van Rooyen junior is an exceptional mark, and has a presence, but he's no dead eye like Amiss, or even his older brother

 

[Hamann188]

Toast I reckon.
I watched a bit of Erasmus at PSA and he was a standout. Bit like Reuben Ginbey last year.
If he hasn't come on, that's on Freo's rap sheet, not Erasmus imo.
Van Rooyen junior is an exceptional mark, and has a presence, but he's no dead eye like Amiss, or even his older brother

Well Junior has piqued my interest, I might have to check him out.

The accuracy issue might be a deal breaker, could end up a project and our track record with projects is a bit hit and miss.

 

[Hamann188]

I just read Drew Banfield

Drew Banfield

Age

50

Ht

184cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.0

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

0.8

3star

's son Bailey has been running alright recently.

Maybe our recruiters got confused and drafted the wrong Bailey Banfield

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Bailey Banfield

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.9

3star

T

3.9

5star

G

0.3

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.5

4star

D

14.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.2

3star

, 5 or so years too early.

 

[s_wd6]

I disagree that JVR was a reach at ten and I always rated Johnson higher than Erasmus. We could have gotten:
Amiss (8) JVR (10) and Johnson (21).
But you seem to have watched more of Erasmus than me and Walls and co seem to agree so I'll take your word for it. I'll support him and hopefully he'll become the player we want him to!

No guarantee Johnson lasts past Melbourne's pick.

 

[sumavich]

I just read Drew Banfield's son Bailey has been running alright recently.

Maybe our recruiters got confused and drafted the wrong Bailey Banfield, 5 or so years too early.

Father son to the Eagles.
Good player, but like Erasmus etc. Has a great 2nd, 3rd, 4th effort

 

[pK75]

It’s interesting that Melbourne had no qualms whatsoever about taking Jefferson with their 1st pick last year after taking JVR with their fist pick the year before.
FWIW I always preferred JVR and Johnson over Amiss and Erasmus, but the fact we got 3/4 of the top WA talent available is pretty good, I just hope JVR doesn’t turn out to be the best of them. I do understand the thinking having lost Cerra and with an aging Mundy on the list, but damn it would have been nice to have both Amiss and JVR playing in purple.
What I really don’t understand is how we lost Mundy, Acres, Tucker, Blakely and Crowden last offseason and didn’t recruit a single mid. All forwards (Corbett, Emmett, Draper) rucks (Reidy, Knobel) and Backs (Davies, Wagner) plus a unicorn.
We now have so many forwards we’re developing Draper as a back. Peel literally have 1 freo player in their midfield (Erasmus) who many want brought into the AFL team.
There is no more depth now Johnson is starting in the freo team. No wonder we looked good in preseason training, our “men” (JOM, Brodie, Brayshaw) were up against boys (Serong, Johnson and Erasmus) with cameos from Switta and Schultz.
The entire club got way ahead of itself and where the list was at thinking we could cover those who left.

 

[Joao]

Davies is more of a Pearce replacement but he hasn't shown much atm. I do like his mongrel though.

He's really not, he's like the exact opposite of that based on reading/watching anything about him pre-draft. Pearce is a lock down, ordinary interceptor with poor skills. Davies is a great interceptor with good skills who can't defend. He's the guy Jefferson kicked 7 on in the U18 games.