List Mgmt. 2023 List Management

[Benaly28]

I'd take Ryan over Gresham

Gets injured a lot.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[ferrisb]

Gresham is the exact type of player we need.

Just not sure he's the actual player we should want.

 

[branedotorg]

Could TDK become a ruck/backman.

I know the trend is for Rucks to play thete 2nd position as forwards, however TDK has done some nice things when dropping back the last few weeks.

We certainly lack another tall Blackman after Weiters. I'm not sold on Young.

Food for thought and continues to give us flexibility

i don't like it, not just because i don't think it's his best role, it's also a philosophical question

For me defence is about stability, chemistry, predictability. Defenders work in an accountable structure.

Offence you can rest in and while some predictability around leading lanes and positioning is required some chaos and unpredictability can manufactures scores.

 

[Revenant1965]

I can get why we are into a player like Gresham. Our current draft picks are 10, 74, 66, 84 (on draft points equivalent 1576, 14th lowest for reference). So we don't have a lot of capital. Gresham may have 'checked out' which could help keep salary down and lower chance of SK matching. And out of Gresham or Fisher, who would we want? (genuine question). And I'm not sure what other options are available...

Full list of 2023 AFL free agents

See who's still eligible for free agency at your club and the rival players that are on offer just days out from the signing period👇

www.zerohanger.com

Final 2023 AFL Draft Order - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

 

[Revenant1965]

Gresham is the exact type of player we need.

Just not sure he's the actual player we should want.

I suppose when you go to the op shop you sometimes just have to take what's available...

 

[Stamos]

I suppose when you go to the op shop you sometimes just have to take what's available...

The counter to that is it's not just about this off-season and 2024.
I seriously doubt he's coming on a 1 or 2 year deal. If we bring him in, he's tying up salary space and a list spot.

We definitely have a limited draft hand at the moment, which will hopefully be improved with Fisher and Dow trades, and maybe future pick swaps.
But I don't think we should be spending an FA contract on Gresham just because we have a weak draft hand.

 

[Coona Blues]

How would people feel about getting Isaac Smith in for 1-2 years with a move into the coaching ranks in mind afterwards?

Story on the AFL website about him looking at his options end of year with an eye on coaching once his playing career is up.

Would be a fantastic mentor for Hollands and Binns as a similar wiry type with elite outside run and an upgrade on Cotters and as a wing rotation imo. Would also come with a lot of experience and IP from two of the best systems of the last decade in the Hawks and Cats.

Would have to be on a fairly low salary obviously given our cap sounds like its quite tight.

Would definitely be a good mentor. Not sure he gets much playing time. Decent sub.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

I suppose when you go to the op shop you sometimes just have to take what's available...

Sam Edmund on SEN this morning questioned the legitimacy or even the the level of strength of Carlton's interest in Gresham, although he does know St Kilda would be happy to facilitate a move. Similar with Carlton and Fisher.

Either way, it does appear that there's a good chance we'll be targeting a free agent, given we have little draft capital this year, and may be reluctant to trade out future picks at this stage...although I'd be surprised if we didn't dangle our future 1st on a line to see what type of bites we get.

 

[Sector 7G]

How would people feel about getting Isaac Smith in for 1-2 years with a move into the coaching ranks in mind afterwards?

Story on the AFL website about him looking at his options end of year with an eye on coaching once his playing career is up.

Would be a fantastic mentor for Hollands and Binns as a similar wiry type with elite outside run and an upgrade on Cotters and as a wing rotation imo. Would also come with a lot of experience and IP from two of the best systems of the last decade in the Hawks and Cats.

Would have to be on a fairly low salary obviously given our cap sounds like its quite tight.

He turns 35 this year and we are tight on list spots and have more wingmen than we know what to do with.

 

[HarryBeef]

With both TDK and Pitto locked in you have to think the club has both of them in our best 22 indefinitely.

If Pittonet is playing he will be our #1 ruck. He is highly effective at it but cannot do anything else. That leaves TDK playing predominantly forward with backup ruck duties. A spot which I think he can own over time.

I see no future where TDK, SOS, McKay and Curnow all play in the same forward line. Too tall. Too slow. Not enough defensive pressure.

Silvagni is clearly the one getting squeezed out here. Club sees him as depth, which he’s better than, but he has no place in our best 22 if TDK plays 3rd tall.

We need another Martin/Cunningham type up forward. Quick, goal kicking, defensive pressure forward that can also take a mark. I don’t rate Gresham personally but he’s a better fit for the side we’re likely rolling out in 2024.

We’ve also got too many small fwds. I’d be getting rid of two of Fisher Owies Durdin & Motlop. Personally I only see room for one of them in our best side.

Nothing wrong with having Pitto locked in for 4 years on the cheap as whatever we need him to be, best 22 or very capable back up. Good citizen.

 

[Healer]

I suppose when you go to the op shop you sometimes just have to take what's available...

or go to another shop

 

[kreuze_missile]

Effort alone does not win games of football and I'm 100% fine with the club not giving SOS a contract for 2024 unless its a bargin basement deal.

While his last full game was possibly the best of his career I've got a much longer memory than that.

Truth is Jack is a medium forward that doesn't consistently kick goals. 14 goals in 16 games this year. Take out the port game and he's given us 1 goal a fortnight. Never kicked more than 20 in a season. A very inaccurate shot for goal at 42%. Well below AFL average. Has served up 52 clangers this year too. Consistent poor user of the ball.

Just like we turfed Stephen for being a poor list manager, Jack is about to get the same treatment for being a below average footballer.

Expect to get crucified for this post but I love that the club is willing to make unpopular decisions in the pursuit of success.

 

[Red Bull]

Nothing wrong with having Pitto locked in for 4 years on the cheap as whatever we need him to be, best 22 or very capable back up. Good citizen.

Bang
Reckon Pitto got the 4 years but the rate would be pretty club friendly.
TDK will be the number 1 man from here on with Pitto filling whatever role needed.
It’s nice work from Austin.
TDK should be ready to go from here with Pitto as backup.
Meanwhile, it buys O’Keefe the 2 years he’ll need to develop and mature.
Pitto’s contract is a nice insurance policy for our ruck division …

 

[HarryBeef]

Bang
Reckon Pitto got the 4 years but the rate would be pretty club friendly.
TDK will be the number 1 man from here on with Pitto filling whatever role needed.
It’s nice work from Austin.
TDK should be ready to go from here with Pitto as backup.
Meanwhile, it buys O’Keefe the 2 years he’ll need to develop and mature.
Pitto’s contract is a nice insurance policy for our ruck division …

Smart list management, you give a guy like Pitto rolling one year deals and it's probably more cash and he ends up taking a 2 year dear elsewhere.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

TDK and JSOS have developed great chemistry with Pitto's unavailability, don't see any problems relegating Pitto to backup ruck and mainly VFL player until HO'K matures.
Mirkov now becomes surplus.

I think the issue with this is HOK development, if Pitto assumes the #1 ruck in the 2s, whilst we are all aware he is always going to be 2nd choice then HOK doesn't get the minutes and experience playing ruck to help him develop,. we see that with Mirkov this year, HOK has come on a fair way since the Mirkov injury.

 

[thylacine60]

Cook sounding seriously unconvincing with regard to JSOS future. Source, presser played on GuesSEN.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Effort alone does not win games of football and I'm 100% fine with the club not giving SOS a contract for 2024 unless its a bargin basement deal.

While his last full game was possibly the best of his career I've got a much longer memory than that.

Truth is Jack is a medium forward that doesn't consistently kick goals. 14 goals in 16 games this year. Take out the port game and he's given us 1 goal a fortnight. Never kicked more than 20 in a season. A very inaccurate shot for goal at 42%. Well below AFL average. Has served up 52 clangers this year too. Consistent poor user of the ball.

Just like we turfed Stephen for being a poor list manager, Jack is about to get the same treatment for being a below average footballer.

Expect to get crucified for this post but I love that the club is willing to make unpopular decisions in the pursuit of success.

Right now Jack is our best 2nd ruck.. He offers more around the ground that almost any 2nd ruck in the competition. This is where his value lies, and if we are happy with the TDK/JSOS dynamic he becomes a valuable asset that can hurt opposition... however he is also an extremely undersized Ruckman and only have to think back to the first Collingwood game and if a side finds a way to exploit that then he loses his appeal.

 

[My Hat]

With both TDK and Pitto locked in you have to think the club has both of them in our best 22 indefinitely.

If Pittonet is playing he will be our #1 ruck. He is highly effective at it but cannot do anything else. That leaves TDK playing predominantly forward with backup ruck duties. A spot which I think he can own over time.

I see no future where TDK, SOS, McKay and Curnow all play in the same forward line. Too tall. Too slow. Not enough defensive pressure.

Silvagni is clearly the one getting squeezed out here. Club sees him as depth, which he’s better than, but he has no place in our best 22 if TDK plays 3rd tall.

We need another Martin/Cunningham type up forward. Quick, goal kicking, defensive pressure forward that can also take a mark. I don’t rate Gresham personally but he’s a better fit for the side we’re likely rolling out in 2024.

We’ve also got too many small fwds. I’d be getting rid of two of Fisher Owies Durdin & Motlop. Personally I only see room for one of them in our best side.

Personally, I think JSOS is best 22. But even if he isn't, he'd be the first man in for any of Pitto, TDK, Harry, Charlie, and probably Martin. That's close to a quarter of the side.

We all hope our run with injuries gets better, but if I'm JSOS, I'd be looking at that list and thinking I'll play more games than I'll miss.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

The younger members of the forum probably dont appreciate what the Silvagni name means to those of us who grew up watching and loving Steve play and those even older who seen Serge.. To simply not have to see a Silvagni running around in another jumper than isnt Navy has to be worth at least $100k, the club needs to find the cash and the good will to get him to sign.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I suppose when you go to the op shop you sometimes just have to take what's available...

Op shops are where the classics/vintage bargain gems are found, finding the right fit(Gresham or whoever) is the tricky part.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

He turns 35 this year and we are tight on list spots and have more wingmen than we know what to do with.

Well I figure he'd finish up right as the Campo boys come in and can move straight into working as a development coach.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Effort alone does not win games of football and I'm 100% fine with the club not giving SOS a contract for 2024 unless its a bargin basement deal.

While his last full game was possibly the best of his career I've got a much longer memory than that.

Truth is Jack is a medium forward that doesn't consistently kick goals. 14 goals in 16 games this year. Take out the port game and he's given us 1 goal a fortnight. Never kicked more than 20 in a season. A very inaccurate shot for goal at 42%. Well below AFL average. Has served up 52 clangers this year too. Consistent poor user of the ball.

Just like we turfed Stephen for being a poor list manager, Jack is about to get the same treatment for being a below average footballer.

Expect to get crucified for this post but I love that the club is willing to make unpopular decisions in the pursuit of success.

He’s a depth option but he’s good enough to be on a finals worthy team’s list. No doubt about that. Would love to see him stay on for another year but nothing more than that. Hasn’t truly shown he’s worth a multi year deal.

 

[Revenant1965]

If we're interested in Sam Flanders, what would he be worth, and how would we get him? Or is GC in a situation where they still have to cut back list numbers?

 

[Sector 7G]

If we're interested in Sam Flanders, what would he be worth, and how would we get him? Or is GC in a situation where they still have to cut back list numbers?

Tanner Bruhn went for pick 18. Similar type of situation I would think. So we will need to stump up part of our first. Suns will be more interested in points than a low pick (or a pick next year).

 

[RPCB]

Tanner Bruhn went for pick 18. Similar type of situation I would think. So we will need to stump up part of our first. Suns will be more interested in points than a low pick (or a pick next year).

Wasn’t that Tanner Bruhn and Pick 7 for Pick 18? Or was Pick 7 a seperate trade?