List Mgmt. 2023 List Management

[Stamos]

Our list needs to be overhauled, Owies , Honey, Marchbank, LOB , Plowman, Durdin Sam & Ed may all be let go.
Dow , Fisher perhaps Silvagni to be traded, we need to clear space for the type we need to source.
Martin, Cunners, Docherty MaGov are all not durable players unfortunately and prone to breaking down anytime, next season determine their fate.

There's no way they will trade out Owies.
Voss loves him, and we'd get a 4th round pick at best.
Silvagni is a free agent. If he leaves, we're not getting a trade. At best we may get band 5.
Can't imagine anyone trading for LOB, or us paying him out.

 

[TENACIOUS]

So your telling us you'd move Corey Durdin on, but fill a list spot with Chris Burgess so he can play as a forward for our VFL side?

Maybe read my post, before getting all almighty…

My post said “the mentioned players had trade currency”
And
“Are they willing to be in and out of the side scraping for a spot? Or move on to where they’d get regular game time”

Plus Durdin is a small forward, Burgess is a 3rd tall depth forward that would cover injuries…

 

[Christou2Kouta]

With McGovern kicking the bomb from 55m to get us going on Friday night, one thing I like about our side now is that we have a number of threats capable of doing that.

McGovern, Docherty, Saad, Cincotta, Newman, Cerra, Boyd (as well as Charlie and Harry obviously and Kennedy when he’s playing) are all players who can take a mark on the 50m and you’d back them to make the distance. It gives us the chance to score goals without having to execute a particularly sophisticated passage of play.

It would be nice if our small forwards could do the same.


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[F_therest]

I am not a huge fan of SOS but even I think that’s a bit harsh. His games against Freo and Port were fantastic. He is clearly a league standard footballer. He can play multiple position also he gives us great options at selection and during games which is important.

I think we were right deferring any decision on SOS until we knew what was happening with TDk hence the news he hasn’t been offered a contract yet. Obviously we do need to make sure his contract isn’t over the top but I certainly think we should be looking to keep him.

JSOS is a must keep.

Even if we don't see him as best 22 and prefer the Pitto/TDK ruck combo, fact is that at any given time, at least one of our rucks or key forwards are injured and JSOS has been excellent cover. Also, when TDK plays the forward/ruck role he doesn't impact the scoreboard as much as JSOS.

The only proper tall forwards we have on the list is McKay, Curnow, JSOS and a young Lemmey who isn't AFL ready.

 

[F_therest]

Third in line behind Owies & Motlop.

Can't play all three IMO.

Yes we can...particularly if Durdin replaced Fogarty. Fogs is playing pretty well but is a limited player...he's not a good kick for goal.

Besides, we need depth. If any of those guys, or even Cunners or Martin, got injured, Durdin is probably next in line. Honey isn't impressing at all. We need a new backup medium forward as depth for Martin and Cunners.

 

[F_therest]

Lucky for us he fits perfectly into the modern game…

Tackling pressure machine, that can play forward and midfield minutes… Usually reliable taking his opportunities kicking for goal…

Think he has cemented himself in the team…

Agree with most of this but he is NOT a good kick for goal. Isn't crafty with snaps or anything like that and can't kick very far. Against Collingwood he missed a set shot from about 35m out on a slight angle.

His pressure and toughness, plus the fact he can rotate into the midfield are definitely handy. May have played himself into a new contract after looking like a certain delist candidate.

 

[RAPPA]

As we continue to win, there's a justification that can be made for every single player in the starting 22, the sub and those currently injured but who are regular starters. I would like that to continue.

 

[Prem17]

Needs are:

1. Medium forward similar to Jack Martin. Quick, good overhead, good skills likes the physical stuff.

2. Fast inside mid. Cerra, Walsh, Docherty and Dow do that job. Recent changes in the game have opened things up for mids who can close in on the man and lose ball quickly as well as break away from stoppages and run forward with the ball. They apply elite pressure. Running forward with the ball creates space for forwards and breaks open team's zones (team defence). New rules have opened the game up at stoppages and in open play and that means you need less slow inside mids and more quick inside mids than you would have in the past. Walsh and Cerra have been injured a lot. Docherty getting older and probably better for us if he is wing/half back for us. Dow possibly going or us needing an upgrade. Cerra becoming more an inside extractor type than run and carry type. IMO we need another player similar to Walsh who can run all day, read the game, rack up possessions and give us that run through and carry from the stoppages. Ideally want two developing in the twos who are good enough to play the odd game and step up from time to time.

3. Key defender. Looking at the current side, we could do with a genuine key defender. Kemp playing as the second tall defender, he's not really tall enough. Someone with a bit extra size and height as well as the pace to defend one on one and run off and who can mark and kick well. I would not be surprised if we looked to recruit a mature one and a developing one.

That's probably the most important needs for us at the draft. You could add running half back to the list seeing as Docherty and Saad are getting older. Someone who is elite in their kicking and pace who can find the footy. So a Saad type. We're good for small defenders really. Good for medium defenders. Probably a tall defender short. Wingers we are really good for. Big heavy inside mids we are good. Burst mids, we could do with a couple developing IMO. Medium forwards we are ok with but we could improve here by adding elite talent. Tall forwards we are ok. Small forwards we are pretty good with and we have plenty of ruckmen.

I think we have the players to win a premiership. I don't know if we have the depth to cover injuries.

Holy snappin' duck s... Batman!
Only "ok" for tall forwards?

 

[Manhattanite]

Yes we can...particularly if Durdin replaced Fogarty. Fogs is playing pretty well but is a limited player...he's not a good kick for goal.

Besides, we need depth. If any of those guys, or even Cunners or Martin, got injured, Durdin is probably next in line. Honey isn't impressing at all. We need a new backup medium forward as depth for Martin and Cunners.

Not picking on this in particular but I think we are underestimating Fogarty - he’s absolutely best 22 because of the high bar he sets with pressure. Our turnaround coincided with his tackling and smothers in the forward half which led directly to turnovers and goals. Durdin may be more talented than Fogarty but Fogarty is super important in our best 22 (esp when JSOS is out) because he sets a very high bar in how the team wants to play.

Fogarty was literally doing things that Carlton players normally don’t - applying pressure constantly and he does it even when we are ten goals up. He’s made it hard for the rest of the team not step up when he’s doing it every minute.

So I don’t care if he misses one or two shots for goal every match because he does everything else he needs to really well and no one else on our list is as good at that.

p.s. as per AFL.com.au he’s ranked elite at:
Tackles
Tackles inside 50
Score involvements
Score launches
Ground Ball gets

And above average at:
Pressure Acts
1%ers
Spoils
Goal Assists
Contested possessions
Contested possession rate
Inside 50s
Effective Disposals

He’s made himself integral to how we play and how we win games.







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[Newton Blues]

It will be E. Curnow retire (350k) plowman gone (350k) McGovern on 300k less and he takes 500k? There’s 1 mill free. If we do go after greasham like everyone says then I’m not sure if honey stays because of the like for like? It would be a shame. Jsos to re-sign … I’d also reckon if Dow has a good back end to the year he might end up signing on less money… currently 500-600? Have heard it’s big money he Signs for 400? Fisher is gone… that saves another 400k. O’brien 100% doesn’t see past his 2024 contract. Especially if the campo twins have another big year in the under 18s next year. Also S. Durdin won’t make another year on our list now…. L. young is the new back up, I don’t think we win finals if he is playing. He is good as the 3rd man up but todays footy is all about moving the ball fast from end to end with elite kicking and fast ball movement. Marchbank, kemp, McGovern, weithers are far better than him in that aspect. But obviously injuries play their part. Maybe Ben McKay

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Ben Mckay

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is on the table but I doubt it. Need more time to see if Fogarty gets another year

 

[TENACIOUS]

Personally I’d hope JSOS stays, he adds to our depth…

However, it’ll come down to if he wants to play for the $$$ we can offer… He’s entering his prime and won’t get the big contract here…

 

[macky99]

Our list needs to be overhauled, Owies , Honey, Marchbank, LOB , Plowman, Durdin Sam & Ed may all be let go.
Dow , Fisher perhaps Silvagni to be traded, we need to clear space for the type we need to source.
Martin, Cunners, Docherty MaGov are all not durable players unfortunately and prone to breaking down anytime, next season determine their fate.

Gee this is a pretty average post.
Docherty does not miss much footy at all and is one of the most highly respected players at Carlton, just not even close to factual.

McGovern has done enough this year to have another reduced contract, still believe JSos will stay.
The overall list is solid, naturally some gaps, but it is ridiculous suggesting a list overhaul.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Rhylee West

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Rhylee West

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is one I’d definitely look at as midfield depth, he would be cheap in collateral and I reckon gettable as they just won’t play him in the midfield.

He’s their Dow, both need to move on to get the best out of themselves.



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[The Bighouse]

Rhylee West is one I’d definitely look at as midfield depth, he would be cheap in collateral and I reckon gettable as they just won’t play him in the midfield.

He’s their Dow, both need to move on to get the best out of themselves.



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Hmm, interestingly though there is another West in the underagers that they’ll want to recruit into the club as F/S, so the brotherly engagement may continue.

 

[bmaurizio]

There's no way they will trade out Owies.
Voss loves him, and we'd get a 4th round pick at best.
Silvagni is a free agent. If he leaves, we're not getting a trade. At best we may get band 5.
Can't imagine anyone trading for LOB, or us paying

There's no way they will trade out Owies.
Voss loves him, and we'd get a 4th round pick at best.
Silvagni is a free agent. If he leaves, we're not getting a trade. At best we may get band 5.
Can't imagine anyone trading for LOB, or us paying him out.

Favoritism aside, If our intention is to target Gresham, which is good plan, then it’s almost impossible to maintain Owies , Honey, Durdin C and Motlop on the list.

 

[Faz 2000]

Favoritism aside, If our intention is to target Gresham, which is good plan, then it’s almost impossible to maintain Owies , Honey, Durdin C and Motlop on the list.

Honey is the one out of that lot I've not seen anything I feel we need. Owies has surprised me with his effectiveness, and I think Motlop and Durdin are both talented and yet to get close to their best. So IF we had to make room, from that lot it's clearly Honey for mine.

 

[bmaurizio]

Gee this is a pretty average post.
Docherty does not miss much footy at all and is one of the most highly respected players at Carlton, just not even close to factual.

McGovern has done enough this year to have another reduced contract, still believe JSos will stay.
The overall list is solid, naturally some gaps, but it is ridiculous suggesting a list overhaul.

McGovern, Marchbank, JSOS , all very solid utilities, my choice is Jack Silvagni, we will need to clear space.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

In all honesty list management seemed a hell of a lot clearer when we sucked. Wouldn't have a clue whats going on now. Fogarty looks like prime Neal Bullen, Martin has turned into Cyril Rioli and Cuningham is playing some damn good footy.

Draft picks in tatters, salary cap bursting at the seams... wtf has happened this last 2 months?!?

 

[Stamos]

Favoritism aside, If our intention is to target Gresham, which is good plan, then it’s almost impossible to maintain Owies , Honey, Durdin C and Motlop on the list.

Honey will get cut (the other 3 are contracted), and I would not be targeting Gresham.

 

[bmaurizio]

Honey is the one out of that lot I've not seen anything I feel we need. Owies has surprised me with his effectiveness, and I think Motlop and Durdin are both talented and yet to get close to their best. So IF we had to make room, from that lot it's clearly Honey for mine.

Agree Motlop and Durdin are young and skilled they’ll have a great careers ahead, need an experienced mentor & nurturing good potential in these lads.
Gresham e would be an ideal addition if we‘re successful.
I love Owies story and we had to fight off the Cats to secure him a little like Cincotta they’ve both made a career out of very little opportunity, it’s not easy.

 

[Stamos]

McGovern, Marchbank, JSOS , all very solid utilities, my choice is Jack Silvagni, we will need to clear space.

Jack would be my number 1 of those too, but Gov will take a huge haircut on his next contract, and Marchy will be on minimum.
We don't need to clear that much space.

 

[Faz 2000]

Agree Motlop and Durdin are young and skilled they’ll have a great careers ahead, need an experienced mentor & nurturing good potential in these lads.
Gresham e would be an ideal addition if we‘re successful.
I love Owies story and we had to fight off the Cats to secure him a little like Cincotta they’ve both made a career out of very little opportunity, it’s not easy.

We need a hungry Gresham keen to make an impact, though, not checked-out passenger Gresham.

 

[bmaurizio]

Honey will get cut (the other 3 are contracted), and I would not be targeting Gresham.

Hard unsavory decision re list management will have to be made, if we’re to be considered serious contenders in the next 5 years of so.

 

[bmaurizio]

We need a hungry Gresham keen to make an impact, though, not checked-out passenger Gresham.

Yes agree, but I leave that to Austin & Cook.

 

[Kramer1]

Honey is the one out of that lot I've not seen anything I feel we need. Owies has surprised me with his effectiveness, and I think Motlop and Durdin are both talented and yet to get close to their best. So IF we had to make room, from that lot it's clearly Honey for mine.

Thought we had something to work with in his first few outings, but that was the highpoint. Very limited feel for the game.

As opposed to Owies who has none of Honey's physical attributes but knows when and where to bob up.