List Mgmt. 2023 List Management

[AndyLucimitis]

For who though?

What do you mean - who does he replace ??

 

[myblueroan]

What do you mean - who does he replace ??

Yep.

 

[DangerousD]

If Cerra, Walsh, Harry, Gov and SOS were all available;Le this week, who do they replace?

Cerr—Dow
Gov—Marchbank
SOS—Pittonet
Walsh—Cottrell
Harry—(Fog/Owies/Mots)

Dow to make sub

 

[passmark]

although we might consider it given his rumoured contract value and our cap issues . I’m sure the Pies would have liked to keep Grundy.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

If Cerra, Walsh, Harry, Gov and SOS were all available;Le this week, who do they replace?

Cerr—Dow
Gov—Marchbank
SOS—Pittonet
Walsh—Cottrell
Harry—(Fog/Owies/Mots)

Dow to make sub

Doc to half back, Fisher sub
Two of Dow/Kennedy/Hewett on ball, one of them extremely unlucky
Cincotta vs Boyd is interesting

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Yep.

Ok - harsh but probably Cincotta or Docherty re-deployed to another role.

 

[Wickzki]

although we might consider it given his rumoured contract value and our cap issues . I’m sure the Pies would have liked to keep Grundy.

Honestly , I think they saw the writing on the wall with Grundy. I think they traded him out at exactly the right time and got out of that contract as best they could.

Although he can still be a very good player, I do not believe that his skill set a compliments what they are trying to do as a team. I think he's someone that the game is slowly moving past and that his status as an elite rockman is severely questioned. In the right system he can still be a very very capable player, but I don't think that was it Collingwood anymore.

I hate to pay them a compliment but I think it was astute trading.

Furthermore, I don't believe you can really compare Williams to Grundy. Although collinwood up paying some of grundy's salary, I believe that we would be forced to pay much more of William's then what Collingwood is for Grundy. I suspect would be paying something like 75% of it. Other clubs would hold us over the barrel believing that we had to do it to ep within the cap. He's worth more to us than that

 

[juzza316]

Grundy looks like Tarzan (on field) , plays like Jane

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Kennedy’s had a fair lay off.
I’d say he’ll at least require a couple of games in the twos to get himself running on top of the ground like he was previous to his injury.

 

[thylacine60]

Keep. Very good footballer. Strong at the contest and versatile.

Plus I sit near people who like to call him useless. I like to clap loudly when he does good. They certainly don't.

I'd move.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Starting to look like it'll be a quiet off-season for us on the player movement front. And probably rightly so - massively improved performance off the back of pretty much universal buy-in from the playing group.

Out of Contract List:
Marchbank - wait and see, maybe a one year deal if his body survives the year
Cuningham - sounds like at least a one year deal, maybe triggers for a second
Curnow - have to think retirement is on the cards
Silvagni - contract talks underway, ball likely in his court as to whether he's happy to hang around knowing his senior spot is a constant battle or move to a club who might be prepared to offer assurances of senior selection (gut feel he stays and wants to be part of a flag)
Honey - delisting candidate
Fogarty - I'd offer same as Cunners, one year deal plus triggers for a second
Plowman - UFA, would ask him to explore his options
McGovern - two year deal sounds about right
Dow - 2-3 year deal according to the latest rumour (2 plus triggers?), personally think he stays
S. Durdin - one year deal unless we recruit a better replacement via trade/free agency
Philp - delist, invite to train during preseason as a possible SSP pickup

In contract but potential to move on:
O'Brien - steak knives or a slight pick upgrade in a deal with a developing team
Carroll - would have to think WC would be in his ear, does he hang around and bide his time or look to move back West in pursuit of a starting spot in a shit side?
Fisher - concede he's more likely to stay than go, but if he's dropped ahead of a finals campaign there'd have to be a chance he seeks greater opportunity elsewhere

Senior List currently has 36 on it.
Rookie list has 8.
Plus Akuei as a Cat B.
Has us two Cat A rookies above the cut (care of Cincotta and O'Keeffe coming in the SSP).

Draft hand is just a pick in the teens and then nothing til somewhere in the 60s.

Would look to trade our 2024 first (plus O'Brien?) for either:
- a late 2023 first rounder, or
- an early 2023 second rounder plus a 2024 late third/early fourth rounder

Not seeing any strong candidates for the first option, but maybe Sydney could come to the table with Pick 22 plus their 2024 third rounder for our 2024 first rounder plus LOB? Draft with a pick in the early-mid teens plus 22 this year.

OUT: Honey, Plowman, Philp, Curnow (rookie), O'Brien (rookie)
IN: Pick ~14, Pick 22, Rookie elevation x1 (Boyd, Cottrell, Cincotta preferenced in that order)
(Those two early picks probably go on a key defender and a medium forward)

If WC come for Carroll - expectation would be one of their picks in the 30s. Use it at the draft to replace his list spot.

 

[BlueGum]

I'd move.

Most weeks I do.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Doc to half back, Fisher sub
Two of Dow/Kennedy/Hewett on ball, one of them extremely unlucky
Cincotta vs Boyd is interesting

Boyd for Fisher too.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Boyd for Fisher too.

Would prefer Fisher, or a more offensive minded player, as the sub.

 

[Juddernaut08]

If Cerra, Walsh, Harry, Gov and SOS were all available;Le this week, who do they replace?

Cerr—Dow
Gov—Marchbank
SOS—Pittonet
Walsh—Cottrell
Harry—(Fog/Owies/Mots)

Dow to make sub

yeah pretty much this

 

[windows1]

Not even sure any more who I think should leave. Used to think Fogarty for sure gone….nope. Thought Dow gone….nope. Fisher….nope. Thought Cuners and Marchy gone for sure…nope. Not sure of Carroll contract status but he impressed me more yesterday than at any point since he joined. Thought Philip gone but gee I liked his burst….Akeui cincotta and O’Keefe all new contracts. Lob got another year.

I guess that leaves….Ed and Plow? Honey?

Like who is left to leave???

 

[Markyd]

Not even sure any more who I think should leave. Used to think Fogarty for sure gone….nope. Thought Dow gone….nope. Fisher….nope. Thought Cuners and Marchy gone for sure…nope. Not sure of Carroll contract status but he impressed me more yesterday than at any point since he joined. Thought Philip gone but gee I liked his burst….Akeui cincotta and O’Keefe all new contracts. Lob got another year.

I guess that leaves….Ed and Plow? Honey?

Like who is left to leave???

Agree, half the list was gone mid year what a turnaround.

 

[Juice030103]

Just wanna thank Sos for drafting TDK


He copped a lot of crap for picking Dow and Obrien in the same draft and rightfully so


But he also picked up the best young ruck in the comp and in my opinion that selection alone more than makes up for it.

Absolutely love the number 12

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Just wanna thank Sos for drafting TDK


He copped a lot of crap for picking Dow and Obrien in the same draft and rightfully so


But he also picked up the best young ruck in the comp and in my opinion that selection alone more than makes up for it.

Absolutely love the number 12

will love him a lot more when he learns to clunk marks week in, week out!

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

JSOS and Dow are probably the toughest calls the club will have had to have made in a long time. No doubt they would want to keep them but at what price? Realistically both of them should be looking for ~$1.2mil over three years, we should not be looking to pay that imo.
Dow is still our 6th mid and we look at our best playing with 3-4.
JSOS was arguably not a best 22 player then played 3 ripping games, is that sustainable?
It’s really going to be interesting how the club see it and what those two fellas will accept.
If we keep those two then imo we should be looking to help find someone like Carroll a new home

 

[Red_man2008]

What do we think of Matt Duffy? Apparently signed a deal to play for Carlton as a category B rookie in 2024.

 

[DangerousD]

Doc to half back, Fisher sub
Two of Dow/Kennedy/Hewett on ball, one of them extremely unlucky
Cincotta vs Boyd is interesting

You have only dropped Fish and brought in Kennedy, we have 5 players to fit in.

 

[Stamos]

JSOS and Dow are probably the toughest calls the club will have had to have made in a long time. No doubt they would want to keep them but at what price? Realistically both of them should be looking for ~$1.2mil over three years, we should not be looking to pay that imo.
Dow is still our 6th mid and we look at our best playing with 3-4.
JSOS was arguably not a best 22 player then played 3 ripping games, is that sustainable?
It’s really going to be interesting how the club see it and what those two fellas will accept.
If we keep those two then imo we should be looking to help find someone like Carroll a new home

I see a pretty big difference between the 2.
Mids rated 5th/6th/7th on the list aren't too hard to cover or replace. Compared to a player that even if you don't think he's in the best 22 (I do), then he is the first replacement for 5 different key players in the best team, for whom we have very little cover.

In terms of List Management, SOS is much more important for us to keep if we can (he's obviously a Free Agent).
Ideally we would keep both.

 

[bluesDeluxe]

What do we think of Matt Duffy? Apparently signed a deal to play for Carlton as a category B rookie in 2024.

Who is he??

 

[DangerousD]

What do we think of Matt Duffy? Apparently signed a deal to play for Carlton as a category B rookie in 2024.

A link to who he is? Im glad the club is exploring the cat B options.