Review 2023 National Draft Review Thread II [McKercher, Z.Duursma, Goad, W.Dawson, Hardeman, Maley]

[kool kangas]

I wouldn’t be surprised that WC want him as much as we want Reid the safe bet for them is to trade with us pick 2 and 19 should get it done, maybe also F1 (19 or 20 )

If they want Curtin as much as we want Reid then they just pick him first...No need for trades..

Why do people seem to think that we have to use other trade picks ...Its Reid or Curtin..Simples

 

[Eggs11]

This is a rare situation where both clubs have a strong negotiating hand (assuming we get pick 3 for McKay). We are the only ones who can guarantee them Curtin. They are the only ones who can guarantee us Reid. Both parties will be better off if the deal gets done but also both parties have strong fallback positions. Therefore expect this deal to take most of trade eon to get done and to land at ‘fair value’. I expect it will be 2+14, but it will be great if it’s 2+ an assistance pick.

 

[Firebat]

WCE don’t want Curtain any more than we would.

Look at their list. Their midfield is in desperate need for an injection of talent. It’s unbelievable how poor and aged it is.

Kelly 29, Yeo is 30 and can’t get on the park, Gaff over 30 and is a shadow of himself and Sheed is 28.

Outside of Ginbey, there isn’t much there for the future. If they’re trading pick 1, I’d suggest it’d be for multiple first round picks to help rejuvenate the middle for them.

 

[Roadrunner]

This is a rare situation where both clubs have a strong negotiating hand (assuming we get pick 3 for McKay). We are the only ones who can guarantee them Curtin. They are the only ones who can guarantee us Reid. Both parties will be better off if the deal gets done but also both parties have strong fallback positions. Therefore expect this deal to take most of trade eon to get done and to land at ‘fair value’. I expect it will be 2+14, but it will be great if it’s 2+ an assistance pick.

Why trade ? when WC can have Curtin for pick 1 and we have Reid for pick 2. You must have an IQ of zero to trade pick 2 and 14 for pick 1

 

[giantroo]

 

[Eggs11]

Why trade ? when WC can have Curtin for pick 1 and we have Reid for pick 2. You must have an IQ of zero to trade pick 2 and 14 for pick 1

Simple. Because if the club believe Reid is better than Curtin + whoever would be 14 it’s a better outcome for the club.

 

[Liam Boy]

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to be honest I'm not a fan of the #1 pick having any special bonus. It puts undue pressure on the #1 pick holder not to place bids on F/S or Academy players because you don't want the guy you end up taking to be resentful of not getting it, it's pretty much the exact same situation we were in with JHF where from day one we were going out of our way to please him

 

[TruRoos7]

AFL media drumming up the Pick swap stuff again, stating Reid “is happy to START his career anywhere” then adding in both North and Hawthorn interested in Pick 1.

 

[Tas]

WCE don’t want Curtain any more than we would.

Look at their list. Their midfield is in desperate need for an injection of talent. It’s unbelievable how poor and aged it is.

Kelly 29, Yeo is 30 and can’t get on the park, Gaff over 30 and is a shadow of himself and Sheed is 28.

Outside of Ginbey, there isn’t much there for the future. If they’re trading pick 1, I’d suggest it’d be for multiple first round picks to help rejuvenate the middle for them.

Reid will have the same problems that JHF, Martin and DeGoey have/had, I don't think they will be really good in the middle until they mature physically and you will need a really strong midfield group to get the most out of them.

If doesn't really matter if it is Curtin or McKercher they are after, if they get Reid then the other two will be long gone.

I think there are some good midfield prospects in this draft, they are just not at the pointy end outside of McKercher and Sanders.

I know Eagles have to rebuild their midfield, but they don't have to do it all during this draft. The next two drafts are allegedly going to be two good midfield drafts.

Culley will be back next year, Kelly is contracted to 2025. Sheed to 2025. Gaff to next year. They picked up Ginbey and Hewett in the first round last year, Chesser in the first round the year before. It is not like the cupboard is completely barren.

 

[chubbspeterson]

AFL media drumming up the Pick swap stuff again, stating Reid “is happy to START his career anywhere” then adding in both North and Hawthorn interested in Pick 1.

Mate get used to it, it will be the talk up until WCE take him on draft night. They need something to talk about.

 

[Hojuman]

Harley needs a better barber.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

From a list balance perspective we need Curtin more than we need Reid.

 

[Ligma]

From a list balance perspective we need Curtin more than we need Reid.

And watto!!

 

[Kato]

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Will Green gives me Dixon vibes…


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[Harris 10]

From a list balance perspective we need Curtin more than we need Reid.

Hopefully we don’t try and balance our list with our high draft picks, just need to pick best available.

 

[marklovesbeer]

It all comes down to the club and their rating of these players, but if those ratings align with yours - then yes. I personally agree that McKercher plus 2 from Tier 2 is a superior result.

Anybody have a quick link for a lazy boy of some McKercher highlights, please?

 

[giantroo]

The No.1 question being asked of this year’s top pick Harley Reid

For a prospective No.1 pick seen as a flight risk, Harley Reid has surprisingly strong views about the service draftees should give their club.

www.theage.com.au

Spoiler

The No.1 question being asked of this year’s top pick Harley Reid

By Andrew Wu​

October 7, 2023 — 6.12pm


It’s often been said Harley Reid could be a flight risk. The teenager expected to be the No.1 pick in this year’s draft laughs when that is put to him. He does not like flying.

“Funny you say that, I’m not a huge fan of planes,” Reid told this masthead. “It’s gonna be a part of wherever I go. You’ve got to fly, so get used to that real quick, I hope.”

Whether Reid is indeed a flight risk is no laughing matter. It’s a question many in football are asking and one West Coast, who hold the top pick in this year’s draft, must find an answer to. Only Reid really knows.

The 18-year-old from Tongala, 25 kilometres from Echuca in Victoria’s Goulburn Valley region, has said he will play for whoever takes him next month, even if it means leaving the family home for the first time and heading to the other side of the country in Perth.

If the Eagles are not convinced Reid will stay, they can trade away pick one for multiple picks, presumably to use on West Australian top-five prospect Daniel Curtin. In a sign of who else might be interested, Reid said the Eagles, North Melbourne, Hawthorn, Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney have all interviewed him.

“I don’t care where I go,” Reid said at the AFL draft combine at the MCG, where the leading prospects for this year’s draft are being interviewed by clubs.

“For every single one of us here, just to have the opportunity to get drafted. If you go pick one, 50 or whatever, at the end of the day you’ve still got the same opportunity. And wherever the club is, it’s a huge opportunity and experience to have.

“With me moving, it’s going to be a challenge either way. It’s gonna be a challenge moving to Melbourne. It’s a four-hour flight plus a 2½, three-hour drive to Melbourne to get home [from Perth], or 2½ hours down the Hume [Highway].


“It’s easy to do, like it’d be a lot more convenient and easier, but again, I don’t care where I end up at the end of the day.”

Such has been the attention on Reid this year, there was a stir in August when he “liked” a post on Instagram questioning Adam Simpson’s future as Eagles coach. Reid, who is regularly stopped by members of the public for photos, said he had pressed “like” without even reading, but the optics of him seemingly endorsing such a post at a time when there were doubts over his preparedness to head west were not ideal.

“I scroll on Instagram, I’m liking before I even look at the posts,” Reid said. “I would never look at the post that I like. I got the message stop liking posts.

“I was like, surely I’ve just liked a post, what’s so bad about it? But then I look into it and I read the post and what it was about, it probably wasn’t the best idea.

“I hadn’t read it. I didn’t even know that post existed until that come out.

“It wasn’t good, was it?”

Clubs are naturally wary of the “go-home factor” when it comes to draftees from interstate, particularly with their early picks. No club can afford a repeat of the Jason Horne-Francis scenario when the No.1 pick from 2021 returned home to South Australia after just one season with North Melbourne.

Reid has a surprisingly strong view on the issue.

“I probably didn’t really look into it too much, but obviously one year, it’s not good,” Reid said. “You’ve had the opportunity to go pick one, they’ve picked you up and whatever pick you go to a club for like one year it’s a bit of a stretch.

“You got to settle in for a bit, and Adelaide 45 minutes on a plane, it’s nothing huge. I’m pretty sure you could settle in and I’m pretty sure the resources, and support a club would show for you and have for you to get past that stage and get to a stage where you feel comfortable with the people around you.”

Reid speaks of the romance of being part of a side that wins a flag after starting from rock bottom, but is envious of Nick Daicos, the No.2 pick in 2021, winning a flag in his second year, and Brisbane’s Jaspa Fletcher playing in a grand final in his first.

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“To be there when they’re on the bottom, to be there when they’re on the top and holding that premiership cup, that’d be perfect,” Reid said.

“But again, like you’d also love getting drafted to Collingwood, just played a grand final. You get in there, go for another flag. You know what I mean?

“I live for the big moments. I’d love to play finals in my first year. That’d be something I’d set to be a part of. We look out on the MCG, the biggest game of the year is played here.

“You look around, it was like 96,000 here on the weekend, it’d be huge to run around out there with the atmosphere and the noise. I feel like that’s another thing that motivates me to get going.”

Reid speaks with deep fondness about his hometown and local football club. Playing for Tongala this year, he said, “will always have a place in my heart”. Being the No.1 pick would be as much an honour and privilege for himself as it would be for his home town.

“Behind the scenes, a lot of people have done so much for me,” Reid said. “To go pick one for my community, for me, for my family, I reckon it’d be something that I’d thrive on and everyone would thrive on because of the support they’ve done for me, it’s like they’re on the ride with me.

“Everything I do for myself is for them. For everyone.”

 

[Bazzbot13]

Harley needs a better barber.

Kanga lotto would sort him out!

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Just keep our picks, cost us too much for one player unless WC wants our pick 54 and our pick 42 for pick 1.

I've heard those are VERY lucky numbers!

 

[DarkPhoenix]

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Surely they'd already be well compensated because of the extra interest from sponsors due to being #1?

 

[Bazzbot13]

Surely they'd already be well compensated because of the extra interest from sponsors due to being #1?

Was suggested to me that Harley already has a reasonable Puma deal.

 

[Rod Stroker]

The No.1 question being asked of this year’s top pick Harley Reid

For a prospective No.1 pick seen as a flight risk, Harley Reid has surprisingly strong views about the service draftees should give their club.

www.theage.com.au

Spoiler

The No.1 question being asked of this year’s top pick Harley Reid

By Andrew Wu​

October 7, 2023 — 6.12pm


It’s often been said Harley Reid could be a flight risk. The teenager expected to be the No.1 pick in this year’s draft laughs when that is put to him. He does not like flying.

“Funny you say that, I’m not a huge fan of planes,” Reid told this masthead. “It’s gonna be a part of wherever I go. You’ve got to fly, so get used to that real quick, I hope.”

Whether Reid is indeed a flight risk is no laughing matter. It’s a question many in football are asking and one West Coast, who hold the top pick in this year’s draft, must find an answer to. Only Reid really knows.

The 18-year-old from Tongala, 25 kilometres from Echuca in Victoria’s Goulburn Valley region, has said he will play for whoever takes him next month, even if it means leaving the family home for the first time and heading to the other side of the country in Perth.

If the Eagles are not convinced Reid will stay, they can trade away pick one for multiple picks, presumably to use on West Australian top-five prospect Daniel Curtin. In a sign of who else might be interested, Reid said the Eagles, North Melbourne, Hawthorn, Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney have all interviewed him.

“I don’t care where I go,” Reid said at the AFL draft combine at the MCG, where the leading prospects for this year’s draft are being interviewed by clubs.

“For every single one of us here, just to have the opportunity to get drafted. If you go pick one, 50 or whatever, at the end of the day you’ve still got the same opportunity. And wherever the club is, it’s a huge opportunity and experience to have.

“With me moving, it’s going to be a challenge either way. It’s gonna be a challenge moving to Melbourne. It’s a four-hour flight plus a 2½, three-hour drive to Melbourne to get home [from Perth], or 2½ hours down the Hume [Highway].


“It’s easy to do, like it’d be a lot more convenient and easier, but again, I don’t care where I end up at the end of the day.”

Such has been the attention on Reid this year, there was a stir in August when he “liked” a post on Instagram questioning Adam Simpson’s future as Eagles coach. Reid, who is regularly stopped by members of the public for photos, said he had pressed “like” without even reading, but the optics of him seemingly endorsing such a post at a time when there were doubts over his preparedness to head west were not ideal.

“I scroll on Instagram, I’m liking before I even look at the posts,” Reid said. “I would never look at the post that I like. I got the message stop liking posts.

“I was like, surely I’ve just liked a post, what’s so bad about it? But then I look into it and I read the post and what it was about, it probably wasn’t the best idea.

“I hadn’t read it. I didn’t even know that post existed until that come out.

“It wasn’t good, was it?”

Clubs are naturally wary of the “go-home factor” when it comes to draftees from interstate, particularly with their early picks. No club can afford a repeat of the Jason Horne-Francis scenario when the No.1 pick from 2021 returned home to South Australia after just one season with North Melbourne.

Reid has a surprisingly strong view on the issue.

“I probably didn’t really look into it too much, but obviously one year, it’s not good,” Reid said. “You’ve had the opportunity to go pick one, they’ve picked you up and whatever pick you go to a club for like one year it’s a bit of a stretch.

“You got to settle in for a bit, and Adelaide 45 minutes on a plane, it’s nothing huge. I’m pretty sure you could settle in and I’m pretty sure the resources, and support a club would show for you and have for you to get past that stage and get to a stage where you feel comfortable with the people around you.”

Reid speaks of the romance of being part of a side that wins a flag after starting from rock bottom, but is envious of Nick Daicos, the No.2 pick in 2021, winning a flag in his second year, and Brisbane’s Jaspa Fletcher playing in a grand final in his first.

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“To be there when they’re on the bottom, to be there when they’re on the top and holding that premiership cup, that’d be perfect,” Reid said.

“But again, like you’d also love getting drafted to Collingwood, just played a grand final. You get in there, go for another flag. You know what I mean?

“I live for the big moments. I’d love to play finals in my first year. That’d be something I’d set to be a part of. We look out on the MCG, the biggest game of the year is played here.

“You look around, it was like 96,000 here on the weekend, it’d be huge to run around out there with the atmosphere and the noise. I feel like that’s another thing that motivates me to get going.”

Reid speaks with deep fondness about his hometown and local football club. Playing for Tongala this year, he said, “will always have a place in my heart”. Being the No.1 pick would be as much an honour and privilege for himself as it would be for his home town.

“Behind the scenes, a lot of people have done so much for me,” Reid said. “To go pick one for my community, for me, for my family, I reckon it’d be something that I’d thrive on and everyone would thrive on because of the support they’ve done for me, it’s like they’re on the ride with me.

“Everything I do for myself is for them. For everyone.”

“I live for the big moments. I’d love to play finals..."

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[Rod Stroker]

Is it known what club Harley supports?

 

[Mordecai]

Of this crop, which player has the best neurokinetics? Would it be Curtain? He doesn't seem rushed from the clips I've seen. I'm thinking of it in the way that Pendlebury just has more time and space than other players.

 

[King Corey]

Is it known what club Harley supports?

Think it's Geelong.