Preview 2023 Rd 11 Carlton vs Sydney Friday May 26 7:50PM @ SCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in:-


IN: Tom De Koning

12

Tom De Koning

Age

25

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

2star

HO

1.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

1.5

5star

, Brodie Kemp
OUT: Ed Curnow, Jack Silvagni

1

Jack Silvagni

Age

27

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

, Lewis Young

33

Lewis Young

Age

26

Ht

202cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

197.9

3star

D

4.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

26.0

1star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

181.6

3star

After starting last weekend as sub, George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

has been elevated to the starting 22.

AFL team selection: Blues bring back tall timber

Carlton's Round 11 team has landed.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Sam Docherty	Jacob Weitering	Nic Newman
Half-backs:	Brodie Kemp	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Oliver Hollands
Half-forwards:	Matthew Kennedy	Harry McKay	Tom De Koning
Forwards:	Corey Durdin	Charlie Curnow	Jesse Motlop
Followers:	Marc Pittonet	George Hewett	Sam Walsh
Interchange:	Jordan Boyd	Adam Cerra	Matthew Cottrell
	Matthew Owies
Emergencies:	Ed Curnow	Lachie Fogarty	Jack Silvagni
	Lewis Young

 

[marleyblue]

Maybe it's not Vossy's call that Dow isn't playing (as I said before, i have a suspicion this may be a Lachie Henderson type of directive from the board)

You have plenty of suspicions and they are generally off the mark.

Voss is the head coach - how can it possibly not be his call on team selection?

 

[HarryFlashman]

Maybe it's not Vossy's call that Dow isn't playing (as I said before, i have a suspicion this may be a Lachie Henderson type of directive from the board)

Oh, so the board is telling the coaching staff not to play him

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

FWIW - Dow told an acquaintance last week that he doesn't expect to get a game in the snrs at all this year and is purely doing what he can in the VFL to attract interest from rival clubs.

*Edit - this is not hush-hush either - was discussed as if it was common knowledge within the club/playing group.

If that’s the case then that’s just an outright putrid act, on all involved…
FMD…

 

[gbatman]

B: Kemp Weitering Young
HB: Saad Newman Docherty
C: Binns Walsh Acres
HF: Durdin Cripps Motlop
F: McKay Curnow Owies
OB: Pittonet Cerra Kennedy
IC: Cincotta DeKoning Hewett Dow
Sub: Cottrell

Out:
Curnow Silvagni Hollands McGovern Boyd

IN:
DeKoning Binns Hewett Kemp Dow Cincotta

We're desperate for a forward/ruck. So pick DeKoning. It was horrific watching our VFL game and our hopeless coaches not putting DeKoning forward. So much for extra development coaches, where's the development of Dow and DeKonings forward game? Clueless bunch coaching and developing us.

Silvagni can't hold a mark or do much else, Hollands is pushed out by Binns, Dow's form is too good to ignore as is Kemps. McGovern was terrible.

Motlop and Durdin should be dropped but our list is bare thin for forwards and there is no one.

Get Curnow and McKay deep. Use Cripps as a high CHF which is kind of what he does anyway when he's got form. DeKoning to share ruck duties and swap with Cripps in the centre half forward role.

Cripps limited onball time, leave it up to cerra, Hewett, Kennedy, Dow and Walsh.

Cripps to provided with a much needed forward/mid.

Need to draft quick forwards. Hollands to go back to VFL and work on forward game. Our hopeless player development will see that doesn't happen.

 

[Juddernaut08]

It’s been debated a bit but I think we should see now that Weiters should be used more in an intercepting role than shut down.

Moore had at least 3 goals kicked by his direct opponent (maybe up to 5, though I only for sure know 3 so I’ll say 3. The other 2 were maybe his maybe not), then another 2 behinds by his direct opponent. So he gave up 5 scoring shots directly (possibly up to 7) yet he’s lauded as the games best defender. Shut down defenders aren’t as impactful on games as interceptors are. If a key back can give up 5 scoring shots, including 3 goals, yet be called best on ground then that should absolutely show the value of an interceptor.

I could make the case, as could all Blues fans, that Weiters should be at least a 2x AA full back, yet he’s been beaten out by interceptors. When was the last time a genuine shut down key defender was AA?

It’s been great for Weiters to not have many goals kicked on him. However, it would seem the game has gone past that type of defender being seen as a weapon. They’re still good to have, but the real weapon and game changer is one who can turn defence into attack.

Imo we should try Young as the lockdown defender and try and find a way for Weiters to play as the loose behind play.

Completely agree. Give him the freedom to beat his man but also peel off like Moore. Back Weitering to be brave and trust his kicking.

It irks me everytime we go to Young as part of a chain. He pauses and shits himself before finally kicking long. Going to him is one of the big killers of our ball movement.

 

[Coops93]

We're desperate for a forward/ruck. So pick DeKoning. It was horrific watching our VFL game and our hopeless coaches not putting DeKoning forward. So much for extra development coaches, where's the development of Dow and DeKonings forward game? Clueless bunch coaching and developing us.

Silvagni can't hold a mark or do much else, Hollands is pushed out by Binns, Dow's form is too good to ignore as is Kemps. McGovern was terrible.

Motlop and Durdin should be dropped but our list is bare thin for forwards and there is no one.

TDK is very overrated as a ruck/forward. He's not a good forward and his stats reflect this. He has no idea what to do inside 50 and aside from take the odd hanger he has no forward nous. He has something like 5 goals in his past 35 odd games. It's a position bestowed upon him by the media for some reason but the reality is he isn't actually a forward, which is why he isn't being picked. If he was a threat inside 50 there's no chance he's out of the team.

Agree on Mots and Durdin. I'm not sure what they do all game, they certainly don't help keep the ball inside 50 and they aren't really consistently threating to get crumbs/get dangerous around goals. I think Durdin often looks his best when he's up the field.

 

[Aphrodite]

Maybe it's not Vossy's call that Dow isn't playing (as I said before, i have a suspicion this may be a Lachie Henderson type of directive from the board)

Say what!

 

[Sector 7G]

B: Kemp Weitering Young
HB: Saad Newman Docherty
C: Binns Walsh Acres
HF: Durdin Cripps Motlop
F: McKay Curnow Owies
OB: Pittonet Cerra Kennedy
IC: Cincotta DeKoning Hewett Dow
Sub: Cottrell

Out:
Curnow Silvagni Hollands McGovern Boyd

IN:
DeKoning Binns Hewett Kemp Dow Cincotta

We're desperate for a forward/ruck. So pick DeKoning. It was horrific watching our VFL game and our hopeless coaches not putting DeKoning forward. So much for extra development coaches, where's the development of Dow and DeKonings forward game? Clueless bunch coaching and developing us.

Silvagni can't hold a mark or do much else, Hollands is pushed out by Binns, Dow's form is too good to ignore as is Kemps. McGovern was terrible.

Motlop and Durdin should be dropped but our list is bare thin for forwards and there is no one.

Get Curnow and McKay deep. Use Cripps as a high CHF which is kind of what he does anyway when he's got form. DeKoning to share ruck duties and swap with Cripps in the centre half forward role.

Cripps limited onball time, leave it up to cerra, Hewett, Kennedy, Dow and Walsh.

Cripps to provided with a much needed forward/mid.

Need to draft quick forwards. Hollands to go back to VFL and work on forward game. Our hopeless player development will see that doesn't happen.

Boyd shouldn't be dropped. Started slow but worked into the game. Need to give him some continuity. Should get Cincotta back in the side with Doc as a mid. We aren't getting the same amount of drive out of Saad this year so need more backs that can run and use it well.

 

[charred_fate]

B: Kemp Weitering Young
HB: Saad Newman Docherty
C: Binns Walsh Acres
HF: Durdin Cripps Motlop
F: McKay Curnow Owies
OB: Pittonet Cerra Kennedy
IC: Cincotta DeKoning Hewett Dow
Sub: Cottrell

Out:
Curnow Silvagni Hollands McGovern Boyd

IN:
DeKoning Binns Hewett Kemp Dow Cincotta

We're desperate for a forward/ruck. So pick DeKoning. It was horrific watching our VFL game and our hopeless coaches not putting DeKoning forward. So much for extra development coaches, where's the development of Dow and DeKonings forward game? Clueless bunch coaching and developing us.

Silvagni can't hold a mark or do much else, Hollands is pushed out by Binns, Dow's form is too good to ignore as is Kemps. McGovern was terrible.

Motlop and Durdin should be dropped but our list is bare thin for forwards and there is no one.

Get Curnow and McKay deep. Use Cripps as a high CHF which is kind of what he does anyway when he's got form. DeKoning to share ruck duties and swap with Cripps in the centre half forward role.

Cripps limited onball time, leave it up to cerra, Hewett, Kennedy, Dow and Walsh.

Cripps to provided with a much needed forward/mid.

Need to draft quick forwards. Hollands to go back to VFL and work on forward game. Our hopeless player development will see that doesn't happen.

Dropping Boyd is madness, so we’ll probably see it.

One of our problems is that we’re always so desperate for a win, we never have the balls to make statements at selection.

 

[The Dochs in]

If and it’s a big if (about 10% chance of happening) Dow is named he will be the sub and come on when the heats of the game. You can write it in

 

[Blue since 72]

Out: Jsos Durdin Ed

In: TDK Dow Binns

Gov Young Newman
Boyd Weiters Saad
Binns Cripps Acres
Cotts Charlie Walsh
Owies Harry TDK

Pitt Dow Matt K

George Doc Motlop Cez

Sub: Hollands

 

[Manhattanite]

FWIW - Dow told an acquaintance last week that he doesn't expect to get a game in the snrs at all this year and is purely doing what he can in the VFL to attract interest from rival clubs.

*Edit - this is not hush-hush either - was discussed as if it was common knowledge within the club/playing group.

If Dow is convinced he won’t be picked this year then the club should tape him being told he’s in this week in front of his teammates and share it - will be lit




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[Blue1980]

So what has gone wrong from this time last year when his form seemed amazing and he was touted as the AFL-wide steal of the trade/FA period? (genuine question, not being a smartarse.)

Injury? game plan? Drop in output due to not having to impress a new club anymore?

He was great round one this year two, then hasn’t been the same since the hand injury

 

[Blue1980]

Agree with the rest, but don't see how we drop Ed. Saw it first hand at the ground, watched the replay given the amount of hate he's getting.

Do people actually watch Ed play, or do we automatically judge him based on age and time out of the game? Barely attended a stoppage and for a team with terrible connection to our forwards, he was comfortably our best in that area of the game.

I agree and if Dow comes in, he needs to replace hewett, kennedy or Cripps.

 

[xDQ82x]

Dow wont be coming in.

 

[marleyblue]

Dow wont be coming in.

Are you able to provide insight into why?

 

[AB_Blue]

Dow wont be coming in.

Opinion?


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[xDQ82x]

Are you able to provide insight into why?

I asked today and said surely Dow gets a game now. Got a shake of the head and told They prefer the setup they have. They apparently don't see him at that level.

If i was a betting man, baring injuries his next game at AFL level will be at an another AFL club. Front runner the Saints.

 

[xDQ82x]

Opinion?


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never say never but my mate rarely gets it wrong. But like everything in footy things change.

 

[marleyblue]

I asked today and said surely Dow gets a game now. Got a shake of the head and told They prefer the setup they have. They apparently don't see him at that level.

If i was a betting man, baring injuries his next game at AFL level will be at an another AFL club. Front runner the Saints.

Because the setup is working so well .

 

[ash_2323]

If the club has put a line through Dow regardless of form in the VFL and potential improvements this year then we are in all sorts. What sort of message is that sending to the group.

Maybe he isn't up to senior level but not many have earnt the right to retain there spot at this point. If Kennedy can play half back then Dow could play half forward/mid. His worst game at half forward would be no worse than Mott's and durdin right now.

 

[ajb72]

If that’s accurate then whoever’s decision that is can **** right off.


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[Arr0w]

Flew into Sydney Sunday (missed the Pies game), fly out Friday, so miss the Swans game

 

[Blue since 72]

Because the setup is working so well .

This is the thing isn't it, if our mids were playing like the first half of last year then sure but they just aren't. So I guess Voss and Clarke are watching a different game to the rest of us.

Obviously being stubborn is a coaching trait that clubs look for.

 

[Juddernaut08]

I agree and if Dow comes in, he needs to replace hewett, kennedy or Cripps.

Hewett. And just drop Ed too.

Out: Hewett, Ed, Hollands (managed)

In: Dow, Carroll, Binns

Outside of the midfield, I'd drop JSOS for TDK and consider McGovern for Kemp...though I'd probably persist with McGovern a bit longer.