Rumour 2023 Rumours and Speculation (Rumours total 37!, 1 (busted) BIG FISH ALERT last October 9th) (9 confirmed! 17 Busted!)

[CromradeCromulent]

GWS may want to dump Haynes salary, but Haynes doesn't want to move, so any deal for that is pretty much dead from the looks of it.

Could just be that we cooled off of him whilst we were chasing petty. Now that doesn't look likely maybe we go harder for him and their pick.

 

[1990crow]

Could just be that we cooled off of him whilst we were chasing petty. Now that doesn't look likely maybe we go harder for him and their pick.

Hope so.
Much prefer Picks 7, 10 and 14 then 10, 14 and 20.

 

[Scorpus]

I’ll cut and paste some figures..

Even if you took $100k off the figure for each player below.. it still doesnt add up how they are able to pay the rest of their players!

clarry’s on 1m a year..

petracca would be on atleast $900k

Gawn on $800k

fritch on $600k

Viney on $700k

Brayshaw on $600k

lever on $7-800k

may on $600k

Pickett on $600k

thats $6.4 million of the $13.5m cap used up on just 9 players!.. pretty much half of it!

And… What exactly are they paying guys like..

Petty
Langdon
Sparrow
Salem

these lads must atleast take another $1.5 million a year all up out of that pool..

How, and what, are they paying their other 25-30 listed players?

How exactly would they go anywhere near finding the money to match our offer to petty?..

They aren't paying all of those players those numbers all at once

For example, Max Gawn and Steven May are both 31. So they've probably only banked to pay them for another 2-3 years.

So what's likely occurring is someone like May is on $600k now, and Petracca is on $600k as well. But Petracca being contracted to 2029 means that when May retires end of 2025, in 2026 now Petracca is earning $1.2 million. Three years at $600k followed by three years at $1.2 million averages out to $900k p/a

You'd find similar across the list. Players like Lever were almost certainly front ended and brought over when Melbourne weren't as good. He's just signed a new contract until 2028 which is probably back ended.

By contracting in this way it also forces veterans who want to remain at the club to take massive paycuts. "Oh you want another season at 33 years old? Well we have to pay Oliver/Petracca so there's bugger all left for you. Stay on a massive paycut please"

Then coming in to 2023 Melbourne had six players who hadn't played a game, 8 rookies who had played less than 5 games and a handful of depth seniors (eg Schache, Dunstan). They probably have 10 senior list players on rookie or minimum wage deals.

So 9 highly paid players (with $1 million backended), 10 on base wage, leaves another 17 players sharing about $7 million - averaging out to $410k each. Which sounds very reasonable to me.

As they go they've begun shedding some of the mid-tier players to adjust who they are giving better deals to. This year they've moved on Harmes and Jordon, giving them room to pay McAdam and increase rookie contracts. They also moved on Grundy (though they probably weren't planning to before the season)

 

[1990crow]

Seems to be a few Rucks in the latter half of the first round and early second round.
Hope we have an eye on one.

A midfielder, KPD and Ruck would be a great outcome at the draft presuming they all come good.

 

[Redline]

I think the Petty deal got really close. We wanted him, he was happy to move, Melbourne list management group would of done the deal but Melbourne as a whole (eg Coaching staff) just couldn't let him go without getting someone in to replace him.

When you are right in the premiership window after two poor years with aging players you have to look at the next 12 months not at draft picks.

 

[MRB37]

Seems to be a few Rucks in the latter half of the first round and early second round.
Hope we have an eye on one.

A midfielder, KPD and Ruck would be a great outcome at the draft presuming they all come good.

I reckon if the draft fell the way we want we'd be grabbing Connor O’Sullivan and Darcy Wilson with our first 2 picks.

 

[conVINCEd]

Exactly.

They made the decision to negotiate a new deal with him and not trade him during the 2019 offseason trade period

As he makes clear, Brodie and his Management drove a very hard bargain

They had planned to trade him, you don’t plan to trade someone in 12 months time - no guarantee the other side even wants them or has the cap room

Those dates in your article track perfectly with what I’m saying

They were still negotiating with Grundy in November 2019, after the 2019 trade period finished.

Plus there’s zero evidence the Crows wanted to trade for Grundy, rather than taking him as a free agent.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I reckon if the draft fell the way we want we'd be grabbing Connor O’Sullivan and Darcy Wilson with our first 2 picks.

With 10 and 14? I’d be surprised if either of them are there at 10 honestly, especially O’Sullivan

 

[croweater 41]

Happy to hear we get a tick but this is the guy that also wanted Port to trade with WCE for the first pick in the PSD.

 

[jenny61_99]

Could just be that we cooled off of him whilst we were chasing petty. Now that doesn't look likely maybe we go harder for him and their pick.

Haynes openly stated he wouldn't be moving for a one year contract. We won't want to take him on for more, surely?

 

[Crow till I die]

Happy to hear we get a tick but this is the guy that also wanted Port to trade with WCE for the first pick in the PSD.

I am just glad he has found his way out of Truck Rutten's pocket.

 

[GreyCrow]

Haynes openly stated he wouldn't be moving for a one year contract. We won't want to take him on for more, surely?

We could have maybe swallowed a 2nd year but its usually a 3 year deal to move - unless you are a DFA or out out the outer player

 

[MRB37]

With 10 and 14? I’d be surprised if either of them are there at 10 honestly, especially O’Sullivan

O'Sullivan would be why we're looking to move up to 7/8 I think.

 

[MRB37]

We could have maybe swallowed a 2nd year but its usually a 3 year deal to move - unless you are a DFA or out out the outer player

Only other option would be to offer him that a deal where it's 1 year as a AFL player, then a 2 year SANFL/Dev coach contract, but that's also dependent on Haynes wanting a guaranteed end to his AFL career and him having any interest (or ability) to get into coaching.

 

[Hodgy]

We could have maybe swallowed a 2nd year but its usually a 3 year deal to move - unless you are a DFA or out out the outer player

At his age 2 years would be awesome for him. If we have the cash and pick 7 gets us Sanders or McKercher then might well be worth it.

 

[Hodgy]

Another left field thought. Since Port are threatening to take Ratagulea in the ND at pick 24, maybe Geelong would trade 8 for 10 and 20 with us and leak the info that they would take him themselves at 20. That would be a 3 year contract now as it’s a 1st round pick and it only cost them dropping back 2 spots. Port would cave for sure then and We would then get O’Sullivan at 8.

 

[croweater 41]

Seems now to be done

 

[Crow till I die]

Seems now to be done

You know, I'd still give it a push to see if we could also get Melbourne's F3 for our F4 as part of it..not moving the needle much, but a bit of a points sweetener

 

[The Smith Revolution]

Future second for a contending team first 18 forward would be a joke on the seller

 

[Golumless]

Well, guess we're death-riding Melbourne and considering how odd their offseason has been, well, they'll be interesting to follow next year.

Seems to be the best we could have done in the circumstances.

 

[Scorpus]

Pretty lucky to get a second rounder when the coaches thought he was a fringe/not best 22 player

 

[Draft Bored]

Another left field thought. Since Port are threatening to take Ratagulea in the ND at pick 24, maybe Geelong would trade 8 for 10 and 20 with us and leak the info that they would take him themselves at 20. That would be a 3 year contract now as it’s a 1st round pick and it only cost them dropping back 2 spots. Port would cave for sure then and We would then get O’Sullivan at 8.

So we get higher up the draft and port get ruined in the process...

 

[BACCS]

Pretty lucky to get a second rounder when the coaches thought he was a fringe/not best 22 player

I didn’t think mods were allowed to troll, can you ban yourself?

 

[Scorpus]

I didn’t think mods were allowed to troll, can you ban yourself?

How is this trolling?

Shane played 12 SANFL games and 37 AFL games over the last three seasons. So about 25% of the time in the SANFL, which is fringe player status. In 2023 alone it was 5 SANFL and 7 AFL games.

Players that aren't consistently first choice don't get a ton of value on the trade table

 

[dogs105]

Pretty lucky to get a second rounder when the coaches thought he was a fringe/not best 22 plplayer

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