Rumour 2023 Rumours and Speculation (Rumours total 37!, 1 (busted) BIG FISH ALERT last October 9th) (9 confirmed! 17 Busted!)

[Eagleboy2011]

I saw David Teague today roaming through the city. Anyone want to put 2 and 2 together ?

Who has replaced Rahilly ?

 

[BunjiMac]

This lie cant continue - I wish people would stop spouting it

Its not the investing in youth we are concerned about its the over investing in senior players .

Cook was the prime example - 1 game where he performed adequately for the side and is replaced by Soligo as sub until Sloane took the spot - why wasnt Rory dropped ?

And then the usual cry hypocrisy when we complain about that - ''youf for youf '

And thats BS as well

I don't think that's what people are saying, they are saying his selection policies which focuses 100 percent on the now, can lead to investment in games of players that try really hard but have limited ceiling, only to find out later on that the person has... A limited ceiling.

I understand the selection policy but don't agree with it as a blanket rule.

Guys like cook haven't demonstrated enough "now" but I would bet my left testicle that if he was given the same amount of games as Murphy, he would be ahead of him and would have much more to give.

The problem with this policy is it can waste developmental years that can only be achieved with real games.

Exponential growth on players doesn't come from those with limited skill and upside, it comes from those with real talent and these guys some times need to be backed in and shown faith.

The current administration is very black and white on this, which is the primary criticism.

 

[PeterSalt]

Looks like they are going internal, Teague back as forward coach would be a good get

Yeah, I'd be happy for him to come back

Do you know where he was this year?


Edit: Just checked. He's been at Richmond for 3 years

 

[Crowbling]

Waiting for Theo Doropoulos to tweet that he is here for the OzAsia festival.

 

[skittlebrew]

It's pretty surprising to learn Murphy is only +20% in pressure acts vs McAdam but is -50% in scoring shots and roughly similar for score involvements.

Basically his lack of scoring is not compensated for with defensive work

Furthermore do the stats tell the whole story? I'm sure a McAdam tackle is far more effective than a Murphy/Ned tackle.

 

[1970crow]

Gollant screams the classic "3rd best forward" which McAdam was too, but the obvious difference is Gollant is more of the same compared to what McAdam offered.

On your magnet board it's an easy swap, but the attributes they bring are what set them apart for us.

Reminds me a bit of Otten replacing Gov end of 2017. Both 3rd tall marking targets but otherwise absolutely nothing alike.

 

[spenze]

Furthermore do the stats tell the whole story? I'm sure a McAdam tackle is far more effective than a Murphy/Ned tackle.

That's what she said

 

[Geoffa32]

Gollant screams the classic "3rd best forward" which McAdam was too, but the obvious difference is Gollant is more of the same compared to what McAdam offered.

On your magnet board it's an easy swap, but the attributes they bring are what set them apart for us.

Aside from being our best overhead mark, McAdam was also our best defensive forward.

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[spenze]

It's pretty surprising to learn Murphy is only +20% in pressure acts vs McAdam but is -50% in scoring shots and roughly similar for score involvements.

Basically his lack of scoring is not compensated for with defensive work

What is Murphys pressure acts compared to Panic acts ratio?

 

[1970crow]

It's pretty surprising to learn Murphy is only +20% in pressure acts vs McAdam but is -50% in scoring shots and roughly similar for score involvements.

Basically his lack of scoring is not compensated for with defensive work

Not really that surprising, Murphy is exceedingly ineffectual. Take into account his role to push up and around stoppages a bit and it becomes more clear how genuinely useless his role is.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Murphy as a forward doesnt kick enough goals.

Murphy as a midfielder doesnt get enough touches.

Murphy as an AFL footballer.. is garbage.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Not really that surprising, Murphy is exceedingly ineffectual. Take into account his told to push up and around stoppages a bit and it becomes more clear how genuinely useless his role is.

And yet Murphy was 6th in the B & F ....the B & F results have been used for years to rationalise why the scapegoats are no good

So here's the reverse, and a scapegoat is 6th in the B & F ....and yet he has a useless role & is still a **** player

Coaches obviously disagreed ...and that include Rahilly, assistant of the year

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Aside from being our best overhead mark, McAdam was also our best defensive forward.

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And a great many posters wanted to trade him during the season .....McGovern was a very good player, had the ability to be a star ....unfortunately didn't have the attitude to match his skills

Maybe a similar scenario with McAdam, given we appear to not have been desperate to retain him

 

[1970crow]

Murphy as a forward doesnt kick enough goals.

Murphy as a midfielder doesnt get enough touches.

Murphy as an AFL footballer.. is garbage.

Would play him ahead of Sloane in the middle. Maybe worth a crack as a small back if we have injuries back there.

 

[Bearded Clam]

And yet Murphy was 6th in the B & F ....the B & F results have been used for years to rationalise why the scapegoats are no good

So here's the reverse, and a scapegoat is 6th in the B & F ....and yet he has a useless role & is still a **** player

Coaches obviously disagreed ...and that include Rahilly, assistant of the year

I’ve never once used the crows B&F results to claim a player is good or not..

The crows best and fairest results are about as reliable as the clubs selection policies for gauging a players value..

Just above junk status for this club.

 

[1990crow]

And yet Murphy was 6th in the B & F ....the B & F results have been used for years to rationalise why the scapegoats are no good

So here's the reverse, and a scapegoat is 6th in the B & F ....and yet he has a useless role & is still a **** player

Coaches obviously disagreed ...and that include Rahilly, assistant of the year

Says more about our coaches selection than the players ability.
We haven't made finals for 6 years.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The crows best and fairest results are about as reliable as the clubs selection policies for gauging a players value..

UNLESS ....the results agree with your views ....then they're relevant, that's how it usually plays out

 

[1970crow]

And yet Murphy was 6th in the B & F ....the B & F results have been used for years to rationalise why the scapegoats are no good

So here's the reverse, and a scapegoat is 6th in the B & F ....and yet he has a useless role & is still a **** player

Coaches obviously disagreed ...and that include Rahilly, assistant of the year

What I’ve posted perfectly aligns with B&F voting. They’re awarded based upon degree of role execution, not game impact. You’ll notice, assuming you read all the words, that I described his role as useless.

That said, it is intriguing that they dropped him 2/3s the way through the year. So he was getting votes whilst playing poor enough to eventually get dropped. I can’t reconcile that.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Says more about our coaches selection than the players ability.
We haven't made finals for 6 years.

LOL ....sorry, you can't use that argument thru a full rebuild .....you're better than that

 

[1990crow]

LOL ....sorry, you can't use that argument thru a full rebuild .....you're better than that

Nup. Not buying it. He doesn't do enough.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Nup. Not buying it. He doesn't do enough.

Nicks you mean ....or all the Coaches

Broom sweep time ??

 

[1970crow]

Nicks you mean ....or all the Coaches

Broom sweep time ??

Nicks deserves the first half of next year, he’s a decent enough coach. My view is that his selection and player value philosophies mean he’ll never coach a flag side as senior coach though. So I’m confident he’ll ultimately be pushed, but it’s not warranted yet. If we’re repeating 2023 next year, I’d be ok with a 12 month extension, but I don’t think any club does senior coach extensions in 1 year increments.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Nicks deserves the first half of next year, he’s a decent enough coach. My view is that his selection and player value philosophies mean he’ll never coach a flag side as a senior coach. So I’m confident he’ll ultimately be pushed, but it’s not warranted yet. If we’re repeating 2023 next year, I’d be ok with a 12 month extension, but I don’t think any club does senior coach extensions in 1 year increments.

Correct ....Nicks will get a 2 year extension over the pre-season

We've shown we can play Finals type footy .....we need to see however, if Nicks can play Finals winning footy ....that's the next step

 

[Scorpus]

And yet Murphy was 6th in the B & F ....the B & F results have been used for years to rationalise why the scapegoats are no good

So here's the reverse, and a scapegoat is 6th in the B & F ....and yet he has a useless role & is still a **** player

Coaches obviously disagreed ...and that include Rahilly, assistant of the year

B&F results in a successful year are a good indicator because the coaches have been shown to know what they are doing

B&F results in a poor year are not a good indicator because maybe part of the reason for the poor year is the bad judgement of the coaches

 

[WaynesWorld19]

B&F results in a successful year are a good indicator because the coaches have been shown to know what they are doing

B&F results in a poor year are not a good indicator because maybe part of the reason for the poor year is the bad judgement of the coaches

Was 2023 a poor year though ? ......we should have played Finals

Most supporters would have been encouraged by the year .....now realistically talking Finals

I'm not sure why the weighting of B & F results differs from a good year to a bad ? ......even NORTH have a tangible top 10 list of players ......it's the bottom 12-20 that's worrying in poor performing teams

Both GEEL and GOLD COAST finished below us .....so our B & F shouldn't be de-valued