Rumour 2023 Rumours and Speculation (Rumours total 37!, 1 (busted) BIG FISH ALERT last October 9th) (9 confirmed! 17 Busted!)

[BigBoSS_Riot]

Furthermore do the stats tell the whole story? I'm sure a McAdam tackle is far more effective than a Murphy/Ned tackle.

There's no way a tackle from one player can be 'far more effective' than one laid by another. All tackles, by definition, are effective.

A tackle, according to Champion Data, "uses physical contact to prevent an opponent getting an effective disposal". So any attempted tackle that is unsuccessful (opponent gets a disposal) or results in a free against, isn't actually getting counted in the stats as a tackle.

If you're suggesting that McAdam gets far more free kicks for his tackles than the other two - and they lead to more goals - then I'd get it, but I don't think there's any publicly available stats to prove that, and I can't say I really remember all that many happening.

 

[Cap]

Correct ....Nicks will get a 2 year extension over the pre-season

We've shown we can play Finals type footy .....we need to see however, if Nicks can play Finals winning footy ....that's the next step

I personally want to see until mid way through the year.

On track for finals start thinking about it. Otherwise I'm happy to wait

 

[Scorpus]

Was 2023 a poor year though ? ......we should have played Finals

Most supporters would have been encouraged by the year .....now realistically talking Finals

I'm not sure why the weighting of B & F results differs from a good year to a bad ? ......even NORTH have a tangible top 10 list of players ......it's the bottom 12-20 that's worrying in poor performing teams

Both GEEL and GOLD COAST finished below us .....so our B & F shouldn't be de-valued

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It doesn't hinge on finals, it hinges on whether the coaching group are proven or not.

Success creates evidence of competence and vice versa.

Right now Nicks hasn't proven himself

 

[Bearded Clam]

B&F votes are about as reliable a measure as Brownlow votes..

Sh*t.

Who can forget Carlolton supporters blabbing on and on about the crows needing to pay two firsts for Gibbs because he’s won a Carlolton B&F..

As if that somehow proved he was a gun player!

 

[1970crow]

Correct ....Nicks will get a 2 year extension over the pre-season

We've shown we can play Finals type footy .....we need to see however, if Nicks can play Finals winning footy ....that's the next step

We should delay to half way through the year. Nothing gained by extending before then.

 

[1970crow]

B&F results in a successful year are a good indicator because the coaches have been shown to know what they are doing

B&F results in a poor year are not a good indicator because maybe part of the reason for the poor year is the bad judgement of the coaches

Plus our b&f methodology is pathetic. Max votes for playing your role to an elite level, what even is that?. There’s an implication that the coaches create roles that have meaningful game impact, but we know that’s not correct. It’s a terribly weak, participation type judgement that has no place in a cutthroat elite level sporting competition.

 

[Mostyn]

Says more about our coaches selection than the players ability.
We haven't made finals for 6 years.

I think if we were focussing on making the finals during our rebuild, then we were doing it wrong.

Next year is the first year I would have realistically hoped to be in the finals. This year it would have been a pretty big surprise.

 

[Mostyn]

It doesn't hinge on finals, it hinges on whether the coaching group are proven or not.

Success creates evidence of competence and vice versa.

Right now Nicks hasn't proven himself

I think at this point he has improved the culture and the onfield results year-on-year.

Realistically, he's getting a two year extension sometime early next year.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Everyone seems pretty convinced our forward line is much better with Mcadam. Is it really? Genuine question. What was the average score with/without McAdam this year?

 

[Scorpus]

I think at this point he has improved the culture and the onfield results year-on-year.

Realistically, he's getting a two year extension sometime early next year.

Everything you are saying is correct, but Nicks is still unproven at this point

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I think at this point he has improved the culture and the onfield results year-on-year.

Realistically, he's getting a two year extension sometime early next year.

Sadly, that's the Crows way. I suspect before the season starts.

 

[Mostyn]

Everything you are saying is correct, but Nicks is still unproven at this point

It's certainly still unproven that he can actually make a side a winner - that's very different than making them better.

 

[Mostyn]

Everything you are saying is correct, but Nicks is still unproven at this point

To be fair, I think most clubs do this. You would have a lot of supporters who complain about their club signing a coach too early or for too long.

 

[dogs105]

I saw David Teague today roaming through the city. Anyone want to put 2 and 2 together ?

You're going to coach Carlton?

 

[hugecannon]

Everyone seems pretty convinced our forward line is much better with Mcadam. Is it really? Genuine question. What was the average score with/without McAdam this year?

Is anyone saying that though?

I think of all the pieces we have available, the Macadam role is the one we can probably cover (given the amount of love the coaches have for Murphy) and it’s an opportunity for someone with talent like Cook to come in and get games in a similar role.

But I don’t think anyone has said we’re a better team now that Macadam has left.

 

[Scorpus]

To be fair, I think most clubs do this. You would have a lot of supporters who complain about their club signing a coach too early or for too long.

And they're probably correct given how many payouts there are for the final year of a coach's contract

 

[BigBoSS_Riot]

Everyone seems pretty convinced our forward line is much better with Mcadam. Is it really? Genuine question. What was the average score with/without McAdam this year?

I'll check this later, but the lack of sample size (McAdam only playing 7 games) does effect the stats.

I did actually do this for Doedee (but with points against), and since he played and missed 11 games each (excluding the game he got injured in, which obviously wouldn't count), it's a pretty fair comparison.

 

[dogs105]

Everyone seems pretty convinced our forward line is much better with Mcadam. Is it really? Genuine question. What was the average score with/without McAdam this year?

With McAdam

7 games
2W 5L
86.7 ppg

Without McAdam

16 games
9W 7 L
99.1 ppg

 

[Mostyn]

With McAdam

7 games
2W 5L
86.7 ppg

Without McAdam

16 games
9W 7 L
99.1 ppg

I don't think that means it is better without him, by any means.

But it probably means the impact of his loss isn't going to be that overwhelming.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I don't think that means it is better without him, by any means.

But it probably means the impact of his loss isn't going to be that overwhelming.

Short term I think it might be

Medium / long term not at all

 

[George Kramer]

I don't think that means it is better without him, by any means.

But it probably means the impact of his loss isn't going to be that overwhelming.

If we kept him you’d be lauding the club

 

[jenny61_99]

UNLESS ....the results agree with your views ....then they're relevant, that's how it usually plays out

For both sides, to be fair...

 

[whattagun07]

Their similarities end with both being forwards who can mark

Yep
Plus McAdam drives like this;

But Gollant drives like this;

 

[maxlilly]

And they're probably correct given how many payouts there are for the final year of a coach's contract

As a Crows supporter, you would be happy only paying out the final year of a coaches contract.
Compared to what we have done regularly in the past

 

[maxlilly]

UNLESS ....the results agree with your views ....then they're relevant, that's how it usually plays out

So you must be referring to being wooden spooners a few years ago, and then with the addition of Dawson, Rankine and Tex having his best year ever, we still made it to 14th on the ladder ?
Those coaches ?