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Shermanator said:
Nah Mummy’s boy is a once in a generation sook.

Reid will be a DeGoey/Dangerflog/Dusty type player in a flag team generational player..
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Those three are all fast runners.

Is Reid fast? Doesn't really seem it on the highlights. I reckon Kid Courageous has more speed.
 

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footy2016 said:
Ralphy at it again….
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Elite from this entire board basically picking apart Ralphys strategy to post a different nugget of conflicting information on each subsequent day about McKays contract to keep driving clicks
 
ferball said:
Those three are all fast runners.

Is Reid fast? Doesn't really seem it on the highlights. I reckon Kid Courageous has more speed.
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How well did Reid test this year? Is he athletically gifted? I know everyone keeps saying he is a one in a generation talent, but what makes him so? Did he even dominate the comp this year?

I don't watch underage footy so I'm just asking the question rather than disputing it.
 
speedy said:
How well did Reid test this year? Is he athletically gifted? I know everyone keeps saying he is a one in a generation talent, but what makes him so? Did he even dominate the comp this year?

I don't watch underage footy so I'm just asking the question rather than disputing it.
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He's not really athletic.

He has a good first few meters, but nothing outrageous.

He's got a below average tank.

His main weapon is his strength around stoppage, something I have reservations as your main weapon at AFL level when up against the likes of Tom Green, Cripps and Bontempelli.

Dusty had genuine footspeed and that same strength.

Someone like Wardlaw has freakish strength, power and speed.

Reid is just an exceptionally talented footballer, like Hodge was.
 



AFL trade news 2023: North Melbourne set for first-round compensation for Ben McKay move to Essendon
www.heraldsun.com.au
Ralphy's big pre-trade period wrap
Ben McKay’s December birth date as the baby of his draft class will deliver North Melbourne a huge advantage in securing first-round compensation for the departing free agent.
Essendon on Monday had been uncertain whether their offer for Roos interceptor McKay would be big enough to secure that coveted first-round pick.
The Essendon offer of at least five years is less than $800,000 a season in guaranteed money, with the Dons uncertain about the threshold for first-round compensation.

If the compensation did not reach that first-round marker, the Roos had made public their determination to match the free agency offer and retain McKay.
But this masthead can reveal the age of a departing free agent is a critical element in deciding what compensation their club receives.
As a player born on December 24, 1997 (with twin Harry), McKay fits into the window as a 25-year-old departing free agent by less than two months on the league’s October 31 cut-off.
Essendon’s [PLAYERCARD]Ben McKay[/PLAYERCARD] offer set to trigger first-round compensation. Picture: Steve Bell/Getty Images
Essendon’s Ben McKay offer set to trigger first-round compensation. Picture: Steve Bell/Getty Images
Under the AFL’s formula, a 25-year-old free agent requires a lesser salary to tick off first-round compensation than a 26-year-old or even 27-year-old.
So, as a 25-year-old, a guaranteed contract of $775,000 might be enough to tick off first-round compensation, whereas for a 26-year-old that threshold might have been $800,000 and a 27-year-old $850,000.
St Kilda free agent Jade Gresham, still likely to find his way to Essendon, is 26, so the Dons would have to pay a bigger contract for him for the Saints to secure first-round compensation.


That formula exists to provide greater compensation to the clubs of players who depart at a younger age – a club losing a 25-year-old free agent might miss out on eight years of service, compared to five years for a 28-year-old.
Gresham finished outside the top 10 in St Kilda’s best-and-fairest result on Monday night and is destined to move to Essendon given St Kilda’s determination to get back into the draft.
He will consider his options in coming days after wanting to wait until after the best-and-fairest, won by rebounder Jack Sinclair.
[PLAYERCARD]Jade Gresham[/PLAYERCARD] is still likely to find his way to Essendon. Picture: Michael Klein.
Jade Gresham is still likely to find his way to Essendon. Picture: Michael Klein.
First-round compensation would secure St Kilda pick 13, while end-of-first-round compensation would secure it pick 20.
So, while the Saints would love another first-round pick for Gresham, a pick at 20 would still bolster their draft hand of 12, 32 and 51.
That move could still take place even if the second element of the deal – Dylan Shiel moving to St Kilda for a later pick – falls over.

​

Sources have clarified that this year’s free agency compensation will be based on lining up contracts with salaries based on 2023 wages before the 15 per cent pay rise for players for 2023 and 2024.
If the compensation was based on contracts for 2024, the Dons might have had to pay McKay an extra 15 per cent to hit the first-round trigger.
St Kilda is in contract talks with Nick Coffield and Hunter Clark, while Jack Billings would seek a new home if a suitor emerged, but has two years on a contract worth as much as $500,000 a season
 
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Masked Avenger said:
That's a laughable amount of draft capital for one player.

I'd be at least keeping 2 and 3 personally.

McKercher with his speed and repeat efforts could be as bankable as Reid with the added bonus of us having first crack at next best.
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I think McKercher compliments us more than anyone else in the top 10.

Reid across half back is close, but McKercher's speed and running power is a ridiculous cherry on top to Wardlaw and LDU.

As you said, his constant running power is the other thing. Wardlaw and LDU are not great endurance athletes. McKercher would compliment that really well, as well as mainting the speed around stoppage.

McKercher runs a 960 Yo-Yo, which is higher than Sheezel last year, who was an endurance animal on Olly Hollands level. We saw how well Sheezel did deep in games when others couldn't.

You are getting that with McKercher a 30+ disposal game a midfielder that runs all day, likely 4+ clearances, with breakaway speed that gets between the arcs and kicks goals.

He's basically Caleb Serong with LDU's footspeed.
 
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giantroo said:
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That's not even a mega-trade it's two separate trades.
Picks 2 and 3 for pick 1 - that's way over!
and
Picks 15, 20 and 41 for 5 - that's more like it.
 
We didn’t trade JHF for Wardlaw and Sheez. We traded him for Wardlaw and Ports F1.

On paper the trade looked terrible as we were effectively downgrading 2 #1 picks for 2,3 and a late F1. However, we were going to pick Sheezel at #1 regardless.

I don’t think the order of our top 5 picks will matter too much if we were to trade with WCE. We might look like we’re paying overs yet still walk away with Reid + Watson/Sanders/Mckercher. A potential trade might look less than ideal at the time but come draft night both us and the Eagles would be laughing.
 
giantroo said:



AFL trade news 2023: North Melbourne set for first-round compensation for Ben McKay move to Essendon
www.heraldsun.com.au
Ralphy's big pre-trade period wrap's big pre-trade period wrap
Ben McKay’s December birth date as the baby of his draft class will deliver North Melbourne a huge advantage in securing first-round compensation for the departing free agent.
Essendon on Monday had been uncertain whether their offer for Roos interceptor McKay would be big enough to secure that coveted first-round pick.
The Essendon offer of at least five years is less than $800,000 a season in guaranteed money, with the Dons uncertain about the threshold for first-round compensation.

If the compensation did not reach that first-round marker, the Roos had made public their determination to match the free agency offer and retain McKay.
But this masthead can reveal the age of a departing free agent is a critical element in deciding what compensation their club receives.
As a player born on December 24, 1997 (with twin Harry), McKay fits into the window as a 25-year-old departing free agent by less than two months on the league’s October 31 cut-off.
Essendon’s Ben McKay offer set to trigger first-round compensation. Picture: Steve Bell/Getty Images
Essendon’s Ben McKay offer set to trigger first-round compensation. Picture: Steve Bell/Getty Images
Under the AFL’s formula, a 25-year-old free agent requires a lesser salary to tick off first-round compensation than a 26-year-old or even 27-year-old.
So, as a 25-year-old, a guaranteed contract of $775,000 might be enough to tick off first-round compensation, whereas for a 26-year-old that threshold might have been $800,000 and a 27-year-old $850,000.
St Kilda free agent Jade Gresham, still likely to find his way to Essendon, is 26, so the Dons would have to pay a bigger contract for him for the Saints to secure first-round compensation.


That formula exists to provide greater compensation to the clubs of players who depart at a younger age – a club losing a 25-year-old free agent might miss out on eight years of service, compared to five years for a 28-year-old.
Gresham finished outside the top 10 in St Kilda’s best-and-fairest result on Monday night and is destined to move to Essendon given St Kilda’s determination to get back into the draft.
He will consider his options in coming days after wanting to wait until after the best-and-fairest, won by rebounder Jack Sinclair.
Jade Gresham is still likely to find his way to Essendon. Picture: Michael Klein.
Jade Gresham is still likely to find his way to Essendon. Picture: Michael Klein.
First-round compensation would secure St Kilda pick 13, while end-of-first-round compensation would secure it pick 20.
So, while the Saints would love another first-round pick for Gresham, a pick at 20 would still bolster their draft hand of 12, 32 and 51.
That move could still take place even if the second element of the deal – Dylan Shiel moving to St Kilda for a later pick – falls over.

​

Sources have clarified that this year’s free agency compensation will be based on lining up contracts with salaries based on 2023 wages before the 15 per cent pay rise for players for 2023 and 2024.
If the compensation was based on contracts for 2024, the Dons might have had to pay McKay an extra 15 per cent to hit the first-round trigger.
St Kilda is in contract talks with Nick Coffield and Hunter Clark, while Jack Billings would seek a new home if a suitor emerged, but has two years on a contract worth as much as $500,000 a season
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12 hours is a long time in football Ralphy.

Who was it that called this as a play from Ralphy to get multiple stories over the next few days?… great call lol.
 
Sphynx said:
He's not really athletic.

He has a good first few meters, but nothing outrageous.

He's got a below average tank.

His main weapon is his strength around stoppage, something I have reservations as your main weapon at AFL level when up against the likes of Tom Green, Cripps and Bontempelli.

Dusty had genuine footspeed and that same strength.

Someone like Wardlaw has freakish strength, power and speed.

Reid is just an exceptionally talented footballer, like Hodge was.
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Losing draft capital to move up one spot keeps making less and less sense to me. The "once in a generational talent" lure is like paying double for a brand name. There's no guarantee that he even turns out to be the best player in the draft.
 
Sphynx said:
I mean, little known to him.

Discussed daily for almost a year on this website.

Laughable how ignorant these journo's are.
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Indeed, it’s not like age is specifically listed as a variable in the AFL compensation formula, freely available to all.

Who knew
 
Sphynx said:
I mean, little known to him.

Discussed daily for almost a year on this website.

Laughable how ignorant these journo's are.
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I've literally got "50% of the formula is age" tattooed on my neck I've said it so many times and I lost my job because of it.
 
Sphynx said:
I mean, little known to him.

Discussed daily for almost a year on this website.

Laughable how ignorant these journo's are.
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Exactly.

What a great job to have, totally ignore a known fact to create a headline one day, then present that fact as a "little known clause" to pass yourself off as a superior intellect on the subject the next day!
 
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