List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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[Epictetus]

I have no faith that we are going to nail this draft. The fact that we have neglected developing talls is something that screams alarm bells for me.

Something seems off, and I just don't understand the seeming desperation for pick 1/Reid, over a combination of others. It would be a different scenario if Walter was in the open pool, I'd sell much more for him compared to Reid.

By all means try to improve the draft hand, but don't sell the farm in doing so. We need at a minimum 4-5 picks inside this years top 30.

Imo there really isn't all that much of a gap between McKercher/Sanders and Reid.

Nothing has happened yet. Relax.

 

[Sphynx]

I have no faith that we are going to nail this draft. The fact that we have neglected developing talls is something that screams alarm bells for me.

Something seems off, and I just don't understand the seeming desperation for pick 1/Reid, over a combination of others. It would be a different scenario if Walter was in the open pool, I'd sell much more for him compared to Reid.

By all means try to improve the draft hand, but don't sell the farm in doing so. We need at a minimum 4-5 picks inside this years top 30.

Imo there really isn't all that much of a gap between McKercher/Sanders and Reid.

I think our best hope is Rohan O'Brien tbh.

Hopefully he holds out for such ridiculous overs that we pull out of it completely and go to the draft.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Nothing has happened yet. Relax.

These sorts of draft hands do not come along very often. They can make or break a re-build. The pressure is on the club to nail this.

I think our best hope Rohan O'Brien tbh.

Hopefully he holds out for such ridiculous overs that we pull out of it completely and go to the draft.

Hope he does hold out.

 

[Lomas]

And another reason for us to keep them.

 

[krakouers]

I think our best hope is Rohan O'Brien tbh.

Hopefully he holds out for such ridiculous overs that we pull out of it completely and go to the draft.

He's fairly straight forward and very predictable, as long as we don't offer stupid deals like 2 & 3 for pick one he will draft Reid

 

[Chadwiko]

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AFL Trade 2023: The age threshold set to guarantee North first-round compensation for Ben McKay​

Essendon had been unsure its offer for Ben McKay would trigger first-round compensation and force North to give up the free agent without a fight. But there’s no need to worry anymore.

Can you post the entire article please?

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

I'm fine with trading out both future 1st round PPs we received to get Reid over the line. They are free money that pretty much become useless if we don't use them this period.

Something like pick 2, 14, PP24, PP24 for 1. I know it looks a lot on paper but we're pretty much only giving up pick 2 and 14 which most people were probably fine with before our assistance package. WC can sell it as they received 4 first rounders and we go to draft with 1 3 19 this year.

Unless a better deal can be done for those future priority picks, I'd rather they be used to get Reid than to be used for Fisher/Stephens or other fringe players.

 

[Rooboy1708]

AFL Trade 2023: The age threshold set to guarantee North first-round compensation for Ben McKay​

Essendon had been unsure its offer for Ben McKay would trigger first-round compensation and force North to give up the free agent without a fight. But there’s no need to worry anymore.
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October 3, 2023 - 11:28AM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom

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03:40
Ralphy's big pre-trade period wrap

AFL: On the Couch's Jon Ralph runs through some of the big trade stories looming in the coming weeks.

AFL News​

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Ben McKay’s December birth date as the baby of his draft class will deliver North Melbourne a huge advantage in securing first-round compensation for the departing free agent.
Essendon on Monday had been uncertain whether their offer for Roos interceptor McKay would be big enough to secure that coveted first-round pick.
The Essendon offer of at least five years is less than $800,000 a season in guaranteed money, with the Dons uncertain about the threshold for first-round compensation.
If the compensation did not reach that first-round marker, the Roos had made public their determination to match the free agency offer and retain McKay.
But this masthead can reveal the age of a departing free agent is a critical element in deciding what compensation their club receives.
As a player born on December 24, 1997 (with twin Harry), McKay fits into the window as a 25-year-old departing free agent by less than two months on the league’s October 31 cut-off.

Essendon’s Ben McKay offer set to trigger first-round compensation. Picture: Steve Bell/Getty Images
Under the AFL’s formula, a 25-year-old free agent requires a lesser salary to tick off first-round compensation than a 26-year-old or even 27-year-old.
So, as a 25-year-old, a guaranteed contract of $775,000 might be enough to tick off first-round compensation, whereas for a 26-year-old that threshold might have been $800,000 and a 27-year-old $850,000.
St Kilda free agent Jade Gresham, still likely to find his way to Essendon, is 26, so the Dons would have to pay a bigger contract for him for the Saints to secure first-round compensation.

That formula exists to provide greater compensation to the clubs of players who depart at a younger age – a club losing a 25-year-old free agent might miss out on eight years of service, compared to five years for a 28-year-old.
Gresham finished outside the top 10 in St Kilda’s best-and-fairest result on Monday night and is destined to move to Essendon given St Kilda’s determination to get back into the draft.
He will consider his options in coming days after wanting to wait until after the best-and-fairest, won by rebounder Jack Sinclair.

Jade Gresham is still likely to find his way to Essendon. Picture: Michael Klein.
First-round compensation would secure St Kilda pick 13, while end-of-first-round compensation would secure it pick 20.
So, while the Saints would love another first-round pick for Gresham, a pick at 20 would still bolster their draft hand of 12, 32 and 51.
That move could still take place even if the second element of the deal – Dylan Shiel moving to St Kilda for a later pick – falls over.

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St Kilda free agent Jade Gresham, still likely to find his way to Essendon
Essendon on Monday had been uncertain whether their offer
Sources have clarified that this year’s free agency compensation will be based on lining up contracts with salaries based on 2023 wages before the 15 per cent pay rise for players for 2023 and 2024.
If the compensation was based on contracts for 2024, the Dons might have had to pay McKay an extra 15 per cent to hit the first-round trigger.
St Kilda is in contract talks with Nick Coffield and Hunter Clark, while Jack Billings would seek a new home if a suitor emerged, but has two years on a contract worth as much as $500,000 a season.
Can you post the entire article please?

 

[Sphynx]

I'm fine with trading out both future 1st round PPs we received to get Reid over the line. They are free money that pretty much become useless if we don't use them this period.

Something like pick 2, 14, PP24, PP24 for 1. I know it looks a lot on paper but we're pretty much only giving up pick 2 and 14 which most people were probably fine with before our assistance package. WC can sell it as they received 4 first rounders and we go to draft with 1 3 19 this year.

Unless a better deal can be done for those future priority picks, I'd rather they be used to get Reid than to be used for Fisher/Stephens or other fringe players.

I'd much rather we use the PP24 x 2 as a way to get another top 10 pick this year, rather than just burn them.

I agree with you though, if we even dilute any of the PP's on Fisher or Stephens I will be absolutely livid.

 

[My Left Foote]

I have no faith that we are going to nail this draft. The fact that we have neglected developing talls is something that screams alarm bells for me.

Something seems off, and I just don't understand the seeming desperation for pick 1/Reid, over a combination of others. It would be a different scenario if Walter was in the open pool, I'd sell much more for him compared to Reid.

By all means try to improve the draft hand, but don't sell the farm in doing so. We need at a minimum 4-5 picks inside this years top 30.

Imo there really isn't all that much of a gap between McKercher/Sanders and Reid.

This is the key point, the desperation for pick 1, where's this coming from? It's certainly not coming from the club that's for sure, it's coming from the media.

Will we discuss a trade with WCE for pick 1? Most definitely it would be negligent not to just like the Crows discussed a trade for pick 1 in the 2021 draft. There's a very high chance a trade for pick 1 doesn't get done in which case we'll take 2, 3 etc. to the draft and pick the best available.

Have faith, we've been pretty good these last 2 years no reason to suggest it's going off the rails.

 

[Deleted member 98541]

I wouldn't mind trading up for Reid, though not at any cost.

More concerned about securing 3 for Mackay.

If it's keep 2 and 3, with best available being mids, small fwds, then we need to find a way to go tall in 6-10 range.

Finally, i'd look to trade into an F1 death ride for next year, surely third time lucky lands us an expected top 10.

 

[ohmygewd]

If we draft player 'smart' footballers then we'll do well

Shermy, Reid could also be a Gary Ablett Senior or a Plugger Lockett.

Having the best player going around isn't worth a pinch unless you win Premierships.

We need multiple A graders.

Bit of luck Ablett Snr's way he wouldve had a flag...Plugger played for St Kilda enough said

 

[Sphynx]

This is the key point, the desperation for pick 1, where's this coming from? It's certainly not coming from the club that's for sure, it's coming from the media.

Will we discuss a trade with WCE for pick 1? Most definitely it would be negligent not to just like the Crows discussed a trade for pick 1 in 2021. There's a very high chance a trade for pick 1 doesn't get done in which case we'll take 2, 3 etc. to the draft and pick the best available.

Have faith, we've been pretty good these last 2 years no reason to suggest it's going off the rails.

I don't know if it's "desperation".

But Twoomey doesn't run with garbage generally, he ran with North making a serious play for #1 within the last 48 hours.

 

[sross]

It just feels so unnecessary to me.

Eagles can take Curtin at 1 anyway.
Then we take Reid at 2 anyway.
Assuming band 1 compo for McKay, we can take Watson at 3 anyway.

And we still have pick 14 and 19 and 2 x R1s next year.

I totally agree with you. Call their bluff. Tell them that if they really want Curtin then take him at pick 1 and we take Reid. If they take Reid, or trade away pick 1, then we will take Curtin at 2 or 3.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

I think McKercher compliments us more than anyone else in the top 10.

Reid across half back is close, but McKercher's speed and running power is a ridiculous cherry on top to Wardlaw and LDU.

As you said, his constant running power is the other thing. Wardlaw and LDU are not great endurance athletes. McKercher would compliment that really well, as well as mainting the speed around stoppage.

McKercher runs a 960 Yo-Yo, which is higher than Sheezel last year, who was an endurance animal on Olly Hollands level. We saw how well Sheezel did deep in games when others couldn't.

You are getting that with McKercher a 30+ disposal game a midfielder that runs all day, likely 4+ clearances, with breakaway speed that gets between the arcs and kicks goals.

He's basically Caleb Serong with LDU's footspeed.

I can see a possibility of West Coast taking McKercher at #1

 

[Roostorm]

Love how these media Nuffies are happy to trade away everything for one pick and actively encouraging us to do it. I guess that’s why they are on trade radio and not on an AFL recruiting list for a club. Yeah North should trade xyz for one pick….WC get more, other teams if involved get more and North burn up all their trade capital…win win for everyone according to them…..muppets.
While lm happy for our club to explore all avenues, what these dingbats forget is with WC is that we hold the leverage …ie work with us or will just take A or B at pick 2. Balls in your court.

 

[dus]

Should be aiming for 3 picks in the top 5.

That’s how you rebuild.

Selling the farm for pick 1 is ludicrous.

 

[Flawed Genius]

I mean, little known to him.

Discussed daily for almost a year on this website.

Laughable how ignorant these journo's are.

Ralph yesterday, breathlessly: Have you HEARD. Essendon are TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS short on their contract offer for McKay! North might have to ACCEPT an end of first rounder. Nathan Buckley says Essendon are NOT HERE to make Norths life easier! SCANDAL and ROT

Ralph today, circumspectly: There is a clause which means what I wrote yesterday is incorrect and there is NO NEED TO BE ALARMED

What a donut

 

[Serenity Now]

So 4 1st rounders becomes 2.
This is simply idiotic.
No player can be worth such a cost.
Especially a mid without pace or a huge tank(which I would have thought are non-negotiables for a top 5 mid in 2023)
McKercher offers both those attributes and a deadly left foot.
Watson is a small forward with freakish skills
We really need a truly damaging outside mid and a destructive small forward
Reid is neither of those things
McKercher + Watson > Reid
Absurd trade scenarios served up by flogs like Cooney are merely filler content created to occupy the big empty space that is trade radio

 

[My Left Foote]

I don't know if it's "desperation".

But Twoomey doesn't run with garbage generally, he ran with North making a serious play for #1 within the last 48 hours.

'Desperation' wasn't my word I was quoting RF08.

Twomey is close to the source when the message is coming from AFL HQ I'm not so sure he's that close to the club but you're right to his credit he doesn't make stuff up so I suspect there's an element of truth to what he's said.

Gut feel is we'll make a serious play like he said but we won't be a stupid offer, if it's a win / win for both clubs then maybe a trade gets done but I just can't help but think the Eagles will take pick one to the draft and take Reid, they'd be stupid not to.

 

[travelli]

I have no faith that we are going to nail this draft. The fact that we have neglected developing talls is something that screams alarm bells for me.

Something seems off, and I just don't understand the seeming desperation for pick 1/Reid, over a combination of others. It would be a different scenario if Walter was in the open pool, I'd sell much more for him compared to Reid.

By all means try to improve the draft hand, but don't sell the farm in doing so. We need at a minimum 4-5 picks inside this years top 30.

Imo there really isn't all that much of a gap between McKercher/Sanders and Reid.

Where is the desperation for pick 1? Just media fluff? I haven't heard anything about us trying to get it.

 

[TurnoverMerchant]

One thing that people are failing to factor in with the Reid v McKercher debate is that the latter will leave not long into his career with us.

You’re kidding yourselves if you truly think he would have the option to stay with us instead of going to Tassie. The AFL will make sure that he gets there as a marquee player and I’d guarantee we’d get jack for him in terms of compensation.

If we pick Reid, as a fan I’d be super invested in his development and plenty of young kids know his name already. If we pick McKercher, I’d be far less attentive to his development because there would be that nagging thought in the back of my mind: “what’s the point in caring? He will leave anyway”

 

[travelli]

Brady is probably talking to darling because they are pals. If we pick him up, it will be cheap.

 

[R00StaR]

All you needed was "Curtain" and you had the trifecta.

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Wynstan (with a Y) Curtain could easily go top 3.

 

[HELLSBELLS]

Am happy to use 2 and 3 on Curtin and McKercher.

Reid may be good but if he's better than them combined id be bloody surprised