List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Order, aka Future Picks

Spoiler: Blue Tick Rumours

 

[Flawed Genius]

Like I'm really not sure O'Brien is clear that "we'll just keep #1 and take it to the draft" is the threatening bold statement he thinks it is

I don't know how highly we rate Reid but surely Brady can just say oh well we take 2 and THE JON RALPH-ENDORSED PRIORITY PICK SELECTION 3 to the draft and get two of McKercher Curtin and Watson

 

[giantroo]

'Bottom line, North will get pick 3 for Ben McKay

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Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

' - Morris and Edmund on trade radio.

 

[Only Forwards]

The last line of that is a ripper. Once you’ve got past the breathless headline and the rest of the words, you hit actual facts.

it fulfils the parameters of "write something that says nothing"

 

[Flawed Genius]

'Bottom line, North will get pick 3 for Ben McKay' - Morris and Edmund on trade radio.

Has anyone informed Jon Ralph

 

[krakouers]

"X are weighing up whether to make a play for Y" has to be the lowest conceivable threshold for a story ever.

The last line of that is a ripper. Once you’ve got past the breathless headline and the rest of the words, you hit actual facts.

It just reads like... "We read Bigfooty rumours... we have nothing"

 

[big_e]

By all means try to improve the draft hand, but don't sell the farm in doing so. We need at a minimum 4-5 picks inside this years top 30.

By the weekend, we'll (probably) have picks 2, 3, 15 and 20. We can sit on our hands for the next month and still have the sort of draft hand most clubs would die for.

 

[The b shart]

For arguments sake, what would Oliver cost and should we have a crack?

 

[jay317]

Don't overthink it. Take 2 and 3 to the draft and use the various other picks to improve either the position of those picks or trade in players that will contribute.

 

[R00StaR]

"X are weighing up whether to make a play for Y" has to be the lowest conceivable threshold for a story ever.

lol its even worse than that, they at least name Y. But cant name even one of the Xs and dont even know if Y or Z (Melbourne) would consider it.

 

[Its a Process]

For arguments sake, what would Oliver cost and should we have a crack?

Pick 2 and future pick 19&20 might get it done?

What did Jeremy Cameron cost? I'm off him after this year, that 12 week hamstring/infection was super weird and something didnt stack up with it.

 

[Ligma]

For arguments sake, what would Oliver cost and should we have a crack?

Bonar + Mahoney

I heard Melbourne really want Watson, and Mahoney is almost identical in the way that Watson plays. We are probably paying overs giving Bonar but it would be enough to secure clarry

 

[king rising]

I’d give up 2&3 for Oliver.

 

[R00StaR]

For arguments sake, what would Oliver cost and should we have a crack?

They'd want pick 2 or 3. Then its 6 years of a massive salary when a hamstring kept him out for 10 weeks all while we have our own midfield guns requiring more pay over time. Absolute gun, but doubt he works for us

 

[berniemccarthy]

One thing that people are failing to factor in with the Reid v McKercher debate is that the latter will leave not long into his career with us.

You’re kidding yourselves if you truly think he would have the option to stay with us instead of going to Tassie. The AFL will make sure that he gets there as a marquee player and I’d guarantee we’d get jack for him in terms of compensation.

If we pick Reid, as a fan I’d be super invested in his development and plenty of young kids know his name already. If we pick McKercher, I’d be far less attentive to his development because there would be that nagging thought in the back of my mind: “what’s the point in caring? He will leave anyway”Tasmania's licence is still conditional, so there's no guarantee it will happen. (I hope it does, FWIW, but it's not locked in yet.)

But even if everything went to plan, we get four years out of him, which is not nothing. And the concessions given to clubs whose players were taken by new clubs have been quite healthy.

And even then, we have those four years to convince him to stay.

Political situation in TAS is quite fragile. Team is by no means certain and timeframe less so.

 

[King Corey]

 

[Flawed Genius]

I’d give up 2&3 for Oliver.

Why

 

[Harris 10]

In my opinion WC will give up pick 1, only having 1and 20 is a bad hand to rebuild with.
They need to get multiple kids through the door asap.

 

[King Corey]

Isn't that just TAO's avatar in an Eagles shirt?

I humbly apologise for coincidentally going to the same pisstaking well.

 

[Makeshift Park]

lol its even worse than that, they at least name Y. But cant name even one of the Xs and dont even know if Y or Z (Melbourne) would consider it.

It seems like an entirely fair reading of that sentence is:

One list manager who has asked to remain anonymous has confided to AFL Media that he has thought at least once about what it might take to extract Clayton Oliver from the Demons, even though the Melbourne midfielder's contract does not expire for another six years.

 

[Masked Avenger]

Whatever happens in regards to trades is yet to play out and we’ll see what happens

What I can absolutely guarantee though, whether it’s west coast or us… Harley Reid is the only player going at pick 1. No one else is being picked at 1, let it go.

What will be interesting though is if McKercher and Curtin absolutely tear it up at the Combine and Reid tests modestly.

A great result for us I would have thought. Lessens the chance of us blowing our draft hand.

 

[The b shart]

In my opinion WC will give up pick 1, only having 1and 20 is a bad hand to rebuild with.
They need to get multiple kids through the door asap.

Question is, who's paying the kings ransom to get 1? I've always heard melbourne

 

[Passmore]

There’s a couple of things to remember….

1. Rawlings won’t be making trades willy nilly without input from the coach .
2. The coach has a fair knowledge of what it takes for a list to be successful.
3. For every draft pick you go down the order the chances of finding good players diminishes.

 

[Tiberius]

I humbly apologise for coincidentally going to the same pisstaking well.

Think nothing of it my good man. You went to a lot more trouble than I did.

 

[The Dingrel]

Picks 2 and 3 for pick 1 and said it would work, never would I do that

Gee I hope not,,,,what that would say to me is more a lack of confidence in our own ability to use pick 2 and 3 well over the premium placed on Harley Reid. Look at 2017 Draft: 1/ Rayner 2/ Brayshaw 3/ Dow 4/ LDU 5/ Cerra 6/ Stevo. 7/ Hunter Clark

Now you come out with LDU and Brayshaw, you'd be stoked with that result over Rayner. Not so much if you came out with Dow and Clark! And you'd probably be happy with LDU or Brayshaw at 1. Last years, come away with Wardlaw and Sheezel, over Cadman yeah very happy.

Rayner is no bust and did his knee, BUT he never had a tank and won't ever develop into that "dusty" player he was compared to. Now not saying the same about Reid, but doesn't seem to have a tank now, hasn't played pure mid, and wonder if thats because he doesn't have the tank to,,,,,,Is his inability to do so being passed of as "flexibility" to play anywhere and thus his premium being overpriced??? I dunno.

I hope the club backs themselves in , but 2 AND 3 is risky and there'd have to be something good coming back to warrant it and Darling isn't it.

 

[King Corey]

Think nothing of it my good man. You went to a lot more trouble than I did.

That's because you have a life.