List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

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Spoiler: Blue Tick Rumours

 

[King Corey]

Jackson Hately

6

Jackson Hately

Age

24

Ht

191cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.3

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

5.8

3star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.4

3star

D

17.2

5star

K

8.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

. 191cm inside mid, once a highly rated junior. Any unfulfilled upside in him worth trialling as a DFA?

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

I'd much rather we use the PP24 x 2 as a way to get another top 10 pick this year, rather than just burn them.

I agree with you though, if we even dilute any of the PP's on Fisher or Stephens I will be absolutely livid.

So would I, but they don't hold much value so I can't see that happening. Clubs know we have to get rid of them. We would have to give up a first rounder this year to get anywhere close to getting a top 10 pick such as Geelong's. Anything after Geelong's pick and your picking from a lower tier of prospects.

 

[Merlin007]

One thing that people are failing to factor in with the Reid v McKercher debate is that the latter will leave not long into his career with us.

You’re kidding yourselves if you truly think he would have the option to stay with us instead of going to Tassie. The AFL will make sure that he gets there as a marquee player and I’d guarantee we’d get jack for him in terms of compensation.

If we pick Reid, as a fan I’d be super invested in his development and plenty of young kids know his name already. If we pick McKercher, I’d be far less attentive to his development because there would be that nagging thought in the back of my mind: “what’s the point in caring? He will leave anyway”

the stadium isn't built yet. The government that did the deal is about to fall over, and no-one else wants it

 

[Garibaldi82]

the stadium isn't built yet. The government that did the deal is about to fall over, and no-one else wants it

And McKercher flat out said he can't wait to get out of Tassie

 

[BRider]

the stadium isn't built yet. The government that did the deal is about to fall over, and no-one else wants it

What a crock of shit - The YES movement far out weighs the minority NO.

 

[ohmygewd]

Political situation in TAS is quite fragile. Team is by no means certain and timeframe less so.

Tasmania will have a team you can bet your bottom dollar on that!! Whether its a new stadium or play out of whatever stadium until they build one, the AFL didn't grant a licence for nothing nor do they like having egg on their face after such a major announcement.

 

[King Corey]

Why

Calendar sales.

 

[JGreezy]

I'm happy with a trade where we give up 2, 3 & 14 for 1 & 5.

But only if we rate pick 3 & 5 similarly (if we would be getting, say, Watson or Sanders either way) so that it is essentially 2 & 14 for 1.

That would mean that West Coast need to close the gap between 14 and 5.

I would give up something else, like pick 40, if we get Chol in the deal.

 

[King Corey]

And McKercher flat out said he can't wait to get out of Tassie

He's not exactly going to declare that he can't wait to bail on whichever AFL club drafts him as soon as the Tassie side is stood up.

 

[big_e]

Tasmania will have a team you can bet your bottom dollar on that!! Whether its a new stadium or play out of whatever stadium until they build one, the AFL didn't grant a licence for nothing nor do they like having egg on their face after such a major announcement.

I've never been convinced the AFL wants another team, and putting a huge condition on it is evidence of that.

If the team falls over because the stadium doesn't happen, the egg isn't on the AFL's face.

 

[DesertRoo]

Pick 2 and future pick 19&20 might get it done?

What did Jeremy Cameron cost? I'm off him after this year, that 12 week hamstring/infection was super weird and something didnt stack up with it.

Whatever’s up Jye would know, Jye would also be the number 1 recruitment tool.

 

[big_e]

For arguments sake, what would Oliver cost and should we have a crack?

B. No.

A. Who cares?

 

[Tas]

Honestly, you don't have to worry about all the permutations, Brady is "hopefully" unlikely checking BF for ideas. If we trade for pick 1 we trade for it, if we don't we don't.

 

[ferball]

How well did Reid test this year? Is he athletically gifted? I know everyone keeps saying he is a one in a generation talent, but what makes him so? Did he even dominate the comp this year?

I don't watch underage footy so I'm just asking the question rather than disputing it.

I've watched highlights and he looks good, definitely a good player, but he doesn't look fast and he hangs on to the ball at times.

Someone mentioned upthread about him getting caught htb alot. So did LDU but he did have the pace to get away from players as well.

 

[ferball]

I think McKercher compliments us more than anyone else in the top 10.

Reid across half back is close, but McKercher's speed and running power is a ridiculous cherry on top to Wardlaw and LDU.

As you said, his constant running power is the other thing. Wardlaw and LDU are not great endurance athletes. McKercher would compliment that really well, as well as mainting the speed around stoppage.

McKercher runs a 960 Yo-Yo, which is higher than Sheezel last year, who was an endurance animal on Olly Hollands level. We saw how well Sheezel did deep in games when others couldn't.

You are getting that with McKercher a 30+ disposal game a midfielder that runs all day, likely 4+ clearances, with breakaway speed that gets between the arcs and kicks goals.

He's basically Caleb Serong with LDU's footspeed.

For years lack of speed has cost us. We bang about Bailey Scott having a great number of repeat sprints and bemoan having no one else to. Seems like a very important thing to me.

 

[r00boy96]

And McKercher flat out said he can't wait to get out of Tassie

Can you direct me to where he said this?

 

[Sphynx]

I’d give up 2&3 for Oliver.

Well, I'd rather trade 2 & 3 for Oliver than Reid, one is a surefire bet and been probably the best player in the comp for the last 5 seasons.

I'd also rather unload that capital on Oliver than Darcy.

 

[ferball]

I'm still very much in the take McKercher at pick 2 camp. There are a lot of deficiencies with our list, I feel speed is the main one.

Yep. Guys like Bailey, Warlord and LDU stand out because of it. Lets have more of it I reckon.

 

[amaz199]

I don't think the media even have a clue what's happening or know anything.

 

[ferball]

So we're challenging for it now?

In Court?

Trial by Ordeal?

Who can skydive from the highest space balloon?

I can't wait for more developments.

 

[r00boy96]

I'm happy with a trade where we give up 2, 3 & 14 for 1 & 5.

But only if we rate pick 3 & 5 similarly (if we would be getting, say, Watson or Sanders either way) so that it is essentially 2 & 14 for 1.

That would mean that West Coast need to close the gap between 14 and 5.

I would give up something else, like pick 40, if we get Chol in the deal.

Wouldn't it be 2 & 3 for 1 & 5?
The 14 seems excessive.

 

[ferball]

I don't think the media even have a clue what's happening or know anything.

I am shocked to be reading this.

 

[ChopChopDigDig]

So would I, but they don't hold much value so I can't see that happening. Clubs know we have to get rid of them. We would have to give up a first rounder this year to get anywhere close to getting a top 10 pick such as Geelong's. Anything after Geelong's pick and your picking from a lower tier of prospects.

Yeh, I can't see us getting much for those two pics TBH. We should be looking at clubs who have NGAs or F/S's for next year, because future picks 19 & 20 can't be attractive for most teams as they stand now.

 

[berniemccarthy]

Tasmania will have a team you can bet your bottom dollar on that!! Whether its a new stadium or play out of whatever stadium until they build one, the AFL didn't grant a licence for nothing nor do they like having egg on their face after such a major announcement.

Is that proclamation in your capacity as Premier of Tasmania ? The AFL are a player in this game but don't set the rules. Agree it is likely but think the timeframe is much more fluid than is presently thought. Temporary stadiums in Hobart and Launceston is also very likely IMO. Licence is contingent on a stadium so all possibilities still available at the moment.

 

[ferball]

They have meetings don't they.

"How can we get people reading and listening to this shite."

"What about if we frame a trade like its on I'm a celebrity get me in the SAS."

"If we start calling a negotiation that will probably not happen a challenge then people might click to see what's up. Its a different word after all."

"I like your thinking. Then we can say someone failed a challenge if nothing happened. Then next week we can call it abttle for pick one.!!!""

"That someone is North Melbourne btw."

"JackNicholson looking demented and mental.GIF"