List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

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Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.
  • Mac Andrew
  • Hunter Clark
  • Zac Fisher
  • Sam Flanders
  • Mitch Georgiades
  • Liam Henry
  • Dougal Howard
  • Lewis Melican
  • Jack Silvagni
  • Dylan Stephens
  • Adam Tomlinson
 
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Sphynx said:
Let not guild the lily.

He's not behind Gulden and Warner, as both of them don't play on the wing.

He's been behind McInerney, Rowbottom and Florent (who has played more off half back).

He's about as much behind Warner, as Curtis Taylor is behind LDU.

Statistically he's an absolute s**t truck and on Mahoney/Turner levels of statistical output according to the advanced stat companies - As in, one of the worst players of his draft, in the bottom 50-100 players in the league (according to AFL ratings) with the amount of games he's played (40 games which isn't a small sample size).

At least Mahoney and Turner had the excuse of playing half forward in the worst side in the comp.

People give Phillips a hard time. We'd want to publicly crucify Stephens on Macaulay Rd if we spent Pick #5 and those are the first 40 games he'd put up.

If he's got for a token pick (i.e pick 80), I'm OK with it. Anything less than a token free pick, no thanks.

But let's not make out we are getting even a moderately passable AFL player at the moment.

He's a Bonar style complete punt with high probability (95%) list clogger, whipping boy, delisted after this 2-3 year contract type.

To top it off, he's an outside, uncontested, wingman. A complete cat.



Excuse me?

He's about as much of a high end role player as Paul Ahern and Bonar were when we recruited them.

Someone like Blake Acres is a high end role player, Liam Henry is a high end role player, Sam Flanders is a high end role player at the moment....

Sydney aren't in the business of letting high end role players go. See Joel Amartey..

Stephens? No. At the moment he's Brad McKenzie 2.0 that might (just might) become a best 20-22 type role player if we roll the dice and hit a 6.

He's not leaving Sydney for opportunity, he's leaving Sydney because he's been given 40 games and had his papers stamped and being a former top #5 draft pick means he gets another contract somewhere for pure gambling/speculation purposes that you hit a winning lottery ticket.


In no way shape or form does Stephens deserve wing time over Eddie Ford given what he's showed this year. Ford has had 4 games up the ground this year, that would have been Stephens best 4 games of his career according to CD's positional rating rankings. Pretty much the only 4 games Ford has played up the ground at senior level in his life were all better than Stephens 40 games at AFL level.


If we actually recruit McKercher and Sanders and still go after someone like Stephens..... Brady has hit certifiable, needs immediate medical intervention levels of midfielder addicition.....
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Who's better in your opionion Stephens or Paddy Dow?
 
JGreezy said:
A good read, thanks

Any thoughts on Hunter Clark or Dylan Stephens, who we have been mentioned with?

I'd love to nab one of each group, two of the KPDs, plus 5-6 players in the drafts.

With the 4 list spots disapearing and Brayden George returning, that would be a deep cut. But that is what we need.
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Absolute, emphatic NO for Hunter Clark. If I can't convince you, go have a read of the St. Kilda board.
 
Roo202 said:
The issue is always going to be convincing him. He is guaranteed the big $$$ of his contract next year wherever he plays, be a tough sell to convince him to do that at Arden St.

As long as players have to agreed to a trade, it is going to be hard for struggling clubs to benefit from salary dump trades. Macpherson vetoed coming to us a couple of years ago and last year the reigning premiers reaped the rewards of the Bowes dump from Gold Coast, without any other club really ever getting a look in.

I'd love Clarko to sell him on his vision for us, but realistically, we are starting the race a fair way back.
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How many teams are going to be able to pay him $1M next year?
 

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The Warlord said:
We have top end game breaking talent already in the likes of LDU, Tarryn, Wardlaw and more to come via this year's draft and likes of Brayden George.

Now we need to start filling list holes with high end role players - Stephens is a great example of this.
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"Top end game breaking talent"???? We have one A Grade footballer on our list - LDU. And some could argue he's A- due to his less than elite kicking.
Tarryn - yeah agree, classy footballer but has the work ethic of a sloth & the urgency of Cliff Young high on weed.
Wardlaw - appears hamstrung.
George - yet to play a game.
If we don't bring in, and develop, A Grade talent, we're going nowhere.

What the hell is a high end role player anyway???
 
JGreezy said:
If Powell of Phillips weren't under contract and chose another team how much would you expect to get for them?
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Who knows? I'm sure other teams would probably value them only 2nd round. We'd obviously want more than that if they wanted out.
I'm trying to think of a good comparison for them. Tanner Bruhn? He was a 1st round trade but he's probably performed a bit better.
 
chubbspeterson said:
Who knows? I'm sure other teams would probably value them only 2nd round. We'd obviously want more than that if they wanted out.
I'm trying to think of a good comparison for them. Tanner Bruhn? He was a 1st round trade but he's probably performed a bit better.
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I think that Phillips would get a first round pick and Powell would get a 2nd or 3rd.
 
Devil Fish said:
Phillips would get a first round pick???? What planet are you on???
He’d get a 3rd round at best!!!
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He's a top 3 pick who has played well this year, coming off a long injury/illness break.

He's averaging 19 disp, 4 clearances and 4 tackles.
 
JGreezy said:
He's a top 3 pick who has played well this year, coming off a long injury/illness break.

He's averaging 19 disp, 4 clearances and 4 tackles.
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Struggling to hold his spot in a team on a 17 game losing streak.
There is NO WAY any club would give up a first round pick for Will Phil. Absolutely zero chance.
 

Trade Wrap: The latest trade and list news out of the AFL​

Melbourne continue to insist Brodie Grundy won’t be traded, but if they changed their tune, who pays his contract? Plus Paddy Dow’s future and James Worpel continues to wait for a contract.

Jon Ralph and Josh Barnes

6 min read
August 7, 2023 - 7:00PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom


Melbourne would not have to pay a cent of Brodie Grundy’s ongoing contract if he was traded as the Demons face a decision on his AFL recall this week.
The Demons and Collingwood brokered a deal last off-season that saw the Pies still paying around $250,000 of his $900,000-plus contract per season until it expired in 2027.
With Grundy playing VFL there was speculation that Collingwood could somehow extricate itself from paying a portion of that deal if he was traded to a third party.

AFL rules do allow three clubs to pay a portion of a player’s contract.
But the Herald Sun understands under the contract lodged with the AFL the Pies have a separate arrangement with Grundy to the Demons’ $650,000-a-season deal.
[PLAYERCARD]Brodie Grundy[/PLAYERCARD] has separate contractual arrangements with Melbourne and his former club Collingwood. Picture: Graham Denholm/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Brodie Grundy has separate contractual arrangements with Melbourne and his former club Collingwood. Picture: Graham Denholm/AFL Photos via Getty Images
If Melbourne did trade him, Collingwood would continue to pay that $250,000 portion of his contract for the next four years.
If a third club was prepared to pay the $650,000-plus remaining on his contract the Demons would have no more financial obligations.
Melbourne could not be more adamant privately or publicly that they are prepared to persevere with the Max Gawn-Grundy arrangement long-term.
They have no plans to trade him or test the trade market but Grundy could ultimately demand a trade if he does not see himself as a long-term ruck prospect at the Demons.

Port Adelaide is a likely suitor if Grundy decides he needs a new start.
The 29-year-old believed he was at the Demons to play in tandem with Gawn as a ruckman, with the Melbourne captain planning to play more game time forward.
Gawn has put together a mammoth past four games playing sole ruck averaging 22 disposals and 13.5 hit-outs to advantage but is 31 so him playing so many minutes for a full season next year would be unsustainable.
Gawn was one of many Demons who hit finals last year exhausted, which played a part in the Grundy trade for pick 27.
The AFL ensured after the bungled Adam Treloar trade, which required mediation to sort out how much of the $900,000-per-season contract Collingwood paid, that it streamlined the process that saw a club paying a portion of a deal when he moved on.
Grundy will get a test of the club’s faith in him this week after Harrison Petty’s mid-foot sprain, which will put him out for six weeks or longer.
He kicked one goal in his two VFL games since being demoted and did not play last week because Casey had a bye.
Clayton Oliver will also resume in his first game since round 10 after finally recovering from hamstring issues.
The lack of exciting young ruck options across the competition means it would be difficult to replace Grundy if he did leave.
Essendon’s Nick Bryan is out of contract but could stay if Andrew Phillips decides to retire, while Sydney’s Lachlan McAndrew is contracted to 2024.
Richmond’s Ivan Soldo could be hunted as a ruck replacement by rivals while Port Adelaide’s Scott Lycett will only be offered a one-year deal and could find a two-year deal elsewhere.

Blues won’t stand in the way of Dow​

Carlton is open to working with Paddy Dow to maximise his chances of playing regular senior football which will likely see him traded to a rival on a multi-year deal.
Former No. 3 pick Dow’s return to form was one of the weekend’s best stories as he kicked a rousing goal in the club’s victory over St Kilda.
But the club has returning midfielders Adam Cerra, Sam Walsh and Matthew Kennedy who are ahead of him in the pecking order at a club that is tight for list spots.
The Blues could yet offer him a one-year contract to stay at the club after it works out its list priorities at the end of the season.
But the more likely outcome is him moving on to a rival side.
Early in the season Dow seemed certain to be delisted which would allow him to move to the club of his choice as a delisted free agent.
[PLAYERCARD]Paddy Dow[/PLAYERCARD] is expected to seek more opportunities at another club next year. Picture: Darrian Traynor/Getty Images)

Paddy Dow is expected to seek more opportunities at another club next year. Picture: Darrian Traynor/Getty Images)

His recent surge in form shows he is easily good enough to be on the Blues list, but Carlton is aware he will field offers from rival sides with St Kilda one interested party.
If he could secure a two-year deal the Blues would be happy to trade him for minimal or no return, smoothing his path.
Carlton showed their hand with Essendon’s Will Setterfield last year, having offered him a one-year deal to stay.
The popular Setterfield was able to secure a two-year deal at Essendon so they traded him and pick 68 for a fourth-round pick, effectively moving him to the Dons for no trade return.
Carlton confirmed on Sunday they had not yet offered Jack Silvagni a new deal.
It saw former captain Marc Murphy urge the Blues to re-sign the popular fan favourite.
But it is understood part of the reasoning for the postponed talks was that Silvagni was keen to assess his role as a key forward as Tom De Koning’s future played out.
Both parties are happy to wait until the end of the year to assess the way forward.
With Carlton coach Michael Voss making clear on Sunday after the victory over St Kilda he sees Marc Pittonet and De Koning rucking together, Silvagni’s future is clouded.
Carlton football boss Brad Lloyd told ABC radio on Sunday that Silvagni had not been offered a new deal yet.
It led to Murphy’s surprise at the lack of progress on a new deal.
“I am very surprised. He probably started slow like a lot of blokes did at the start of the year. His past four weeks before he got injured were top-shelf and showed he is really important for the side. He is a utility and fills holes wherever they are, as a secondary ruck or up forward or down back as a supporting player.
“Silvagni is the biggest name in Carlton history so supporters will be passionate about seeing Jack Silvagni play in the number one jersey. So it’s interesting to hear there is not currently a contract on the table.”

Out-of-contract Hawk still waiting for new deal​

Hawthorn hard man James Worpel remains without a contract for next season as the Hawks drag their feet on an extension for the midfielder.
And the Hawks are also yet to engage on an extension for draftee Josh Weddle.
Worpel, 24, last inked an new contract in early 2020, just months after he won the Peter Crimmins Medal as Hawthorn’s best-and-fairest at just 20 years of age.
[PLAYERCARD]James Worpel[/PLAYERCARD] has been back to his best this year. Picture: Daniel Pockett/Getty Images

James Worpel has been back to his best this year. Picture: Daniel Pockett/Getty Images

The inside midfielder is keen to land a two-year extension with Hawthorn, which would take him to free agency.
It’s understood an offer is on the table but the Worpel and the Hawks remain apart on the terms of the deal, even after early talks began three months ago.
He has not begun looking elsewhere but with just three weeks left in Hawthorn’s season, Worpel could be forced to consider his options if a contract isn’t agreed to.
Fellow Hawks without a deal for next year include Chad Wingard, Finn Maginness, Jacob Koschitzke, Tyler Brockman and Brandon Ryan.
After some indifferent years following his 2019 breakout season, Worpel has returned to his best this year with fellow on-ballers Tom Mitchell and Jaeger O’Meara traded out of the rotation.
Josh Weddle has had a strong debut year. Picture: Darrian Traynor/Getty Images

Josh Weddle has had a strong debut year. Picture: Darrian Traynor/Getty Images

Worpel has averaged 26.1 disposals, 4.2 tackles, 6.4 clearances and 12.6 contested possessions, all numbers on par with his 2019 season, and he will play his 100th game this weekend against the Western Bulldogs.
The former Geelong Falcon has formed a strong midfield mix with Jai Newcombe, Will Day and Conor Nash while the Hawks exceeded expectations in 2023.
Dashing defender Weddle has a contract for 2024 as part of a standard draft deal but is one of the rare first-year impact players to not receive an extension on his first deal.
Most clubs have moved quickly to sign up first-year teens who have become first-22 regulars this year but haven’t picked up the phone to Weddle’s management despite him playing 14 impressive games so far in 2023.
Weddle landed a rising star nomination in round 10 and his run and flair off halfback has been a handy addition to Sam Mitchell’s defensive group this year.
 

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Rod Stroker said:
Ralphy just said the Blues have said to Dow they won't stand in his way if he gets a better offer.
We should have a nibble. He's always wanted to play for us, so if it's not going to cost us too much, we should look at it.
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I actually rate him. Reckon he’s gunna be a player. Maybe not to the level of a pick 3, but he can play.
 
giantroo said:

Trade Wrap: The latest trade and list news out of the AFL​

Melbourne continue to insist Brodie Grundy won’t be traded, but if they changed their tune, who pays his contract? Plus Paddy Dow’s future and James Worpel continues to wait for a contract.

Jon Ralph and Josh Barnes

6 min read
August 7, 2023 - 7:00PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom


Melbourne would not have to pay a cent of Brodie Grundy’s ongoing contract if he was traded as the Demons face a decision on his AFL recall this week.
The Demons and Collingwood brokered a deal last off-season that saw the Pies still paying around $250,000 of his $900,000-plus contract per season until it expired in 2027.
With Grundy playing VFL there was speculation that Collingwood could somehow extricate itself from paying a portion of that deal if he was traded to a third party.

AFL rules do allow three clubs to pay a portion of a player’s contract.
But the Herald Sun understands under the contract lodged with the AFL the Pies have a separate arrangement with Grundy to the Demons’ $650,000-a-season deal.
Brodie Grundy has separate contractual arrangements with Melbourne and his former club Collingwood. Picture: Graham Denholm/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Brodie Grundy has separate contractual arrangements with Melbourne and his former club Collingwood. Picture: Graham Denholm/AFL Photos via Getty Images
If Melbourne did trade him, Collingwood would continue to pay that $250,000 portion of his contract for the next four years.
If a third club was prepared to pay the $650,000-plus remaining on his contract the Demons would have no more financial obligations.
Melbourne could not be more adamant privately or publicly that they are prepared to persevere with the Max Gawn-Grundy arrangement long-term.
They have no plans to trade him or test the trade market but Grundy could ultimately demand a trade if he does not see himself as a long-term ruck prospect at the Demons.

Port Adelaide is a likely suitor if Grundy decides he needs a new start.
The 29-year-old believed he was at the Demons to play in tandem with Gawn as a ruckman, with the Melbourne captain planning to play more game time forward.
Gawn has put together a mammoth past four games playing sole ruck averaging 22 disposals and 13.5 hit-outs to advantage but is 31 so him playing so many minutes for a full season next year would be unsustainable.
Gawn was one of many Demons who hit finals last year exhausted, which played a part in the Grundy trade for pick 27.
The AFL ensured after the bungled Adam Treloar trade, which required mediation to sort out how much of the $900,000-per-season contract Collingwood paid, that it streamlined the process that saw a club paying a portion of a deal when he moved on.
Grundy will get a test of the club’s faith in him this week after Harrison Petty’s mid-foot sprain, which will put him out for six weeks or longer.
He kicked one goal in his two VFL games since being demoted and did not play last week because Casey had a bye.
Clayton Oliver will also resume in his first game since round 10 after finally recovering from hamstring issues.
The lack of exciting young ruck options across the competition means it would be difficult to replace Grundy if he did leave.
Essendon’s Nick Bryan is out of contract but could stay if Andrew Phillips decides to retire, while Sydney’s Lachlan McAndrew is contracted to 2024.
Richmond’s Ivan Soldo could be hunted as a ruck replacement by rivals while Port Adelaide’s Scott Lycett will only be offered a one-year deal and could find a two-year deal elsewhere.

Blues won’t stand in the way of Dow​

Carlton is open to working with Paddy Dow to maximise his chances of playing regular senior football which will likely see him traded to a rival on a multi-year deal.
Former No. 3 pick Dow’s return to form was one of the weekend’s best stories as he kicked a rousing goal in the club’s victory over St Kilda.
But the club has returning midfielders Adam Cerra, Sam Walsh and Matthew Kennedy who are ahead of him in the pecking order at a club that is tight for list spots.
The Blues could yet offer him a one-year contract to stay at the club after it works out its list priorities at the end of the season.
But the more likely outcome is him moving on to a rival side.
Early in the season Dow seemed certain to be delisted which would allow him to move to the club of his choice as a delisted free agent.
Paddy Dow is expected to seek more opportunities at another club next year. Picture: Darrian Traynor/Getty Images)

Paddy Dow is expected to seek more opportunities at another club next year. Picture: Darrian Traynor/Getty Images)

His recent surge in form shows he is easily good enough to be on the Blues list, but Carlton is aware he will field offers from rival sides with St Kilda one interested party.
If he could secure a two-year deal the Blues would be happy to trade him for minimal or no return, smoothing his path.
Carlton showed their hand with Essendon’s Will Setterfield last year, having offered him a one-year deal to stay.
The popular Setterfield was able to secure a two-year deal at Essendon so they traded him and pick 68 for a fourth-round pick, effectively moving him to the Dons for no trade return.
Carlton confirmed on Sunday they had not yet offered Jack Silvagni a new deal.
It saw former captain Marc Murphy urge the Blues to re-sign the popular fan favourite.
But it is understood part of the reasoning for the postponed talks was that Silvagni was keen to assess his role as a key forward as Tom De Koning’s future played out.
Both parties are happy to wait until the end of the year to assess the way forward.
With Carlton coach Michael Voss making clear on Sunday after the victory over St Kilda he sees Marc Pittonet and De Koning rucking together, Silvagni’s future is clouded.
Carlton football boss Brad Lloyd told ABC radio on Sunday that Silvagni had not been offered a new deal yet.
It led to Murphy’s surprise at the lack of progress on a new deal.
“I am very surprised. He probably started slow like a lot of blokes did at the start of the year. His past four weeks before he got injured were top-shelf and showed he is really important for the side. He is a utility and fills holes wherever they are, as a secondary ruck or up forward or down back as a supporting player.
“Silvagni is the biggest name in Carlton history so supporters will be passionate about seeing Jack Silvagni play in the number one jersey. So it’s interesting to hear there is not currently a contract on the table.”

Out-of-contract Hawk still waiting for new deal​

Hawthorn hard man James Worpel remains without a contract for next season as the Hawks drag their feet on an extension for the midfielder.
And the Hawks are also yet to engage on an extension for draftee Josh Weddle.
Worpel, 24, last inked an new contract in early 2020, just months after he won the Peter Crimmins Medal as Hawthorn’s best-and-fairest at just 20 years of age.
James Worpel has been back to his best this year. Picture: Daniel Pockett/Getty Images

James Worpel has been back to his best this year. Picture: Daniel Pockett/Getty Images

The inside midfielder is keen to land a two-year extension with Hawthorn, which would take him to free agency.
It’s understood an offer is on the table but the Worpel and the Hawks remain apart on the terms of the deal, even after early talks began three months ago.
He has not begun looking elsewhere but with just three weeks left in Hawthorn’s season, Worpel could be forced to consider his options if a contract isn’t agreed to.
Fellow Hawks without a deal for next year include Chad Wingard, Finn Maginness, Jacob Koschitzke, Tyler Brockman and Brandon Ryan.
After some indifferent years following his 2019 breakout season, Worpel has returned to his best this year with fellow on-ballers Tom Mitchell and Jaeger O’Meara traded out of the rotation.
Josh Weddle has had a strong debut year. Picture: Darrian Traynor/Getty Images

Josh Weddle has had a strong debut year. Picture: Darrian Traynor/Getty Images

Worpel has averaged 26.1 disposals, 4.2 tackles, 6.4 clearances and 12.6 contested possessions, all numbers on par with his 2019 season, and he will play his 100th game this weekend against the Western Bulldogs.
The former Geelong Falcon has formed a strong midfield mix with Jai Newcombe, Will Day and Conor Nash while the Hawks exceeded expectations in 2023.
Dashing defender Weddle has a contract for 2024 as part of a standard draft deal but is one of the rare first-year impact players to not receive an extension on his first deal.
Most clubs have moved quickly to sign up first-year teens who have become first-22 regulars this year but haven’t picked up the phone to Weddle’s management despite him playing 14 impressive games so far in 2023.
Weddle landed a rising star nomination in round 10 and his run and flair off halfback has been a handy addition to Sam Mitchell’s defensive group this year.
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I don’t know why Kennedy is preferred over dow
Is it flexibility to play other positions
 
big_e said:
Replacing our fringe players with somebody else's fringe players doesn't make much sense to me, tbh.
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Upgrade on our fringe players?
 
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