List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[JGreezy]

Yeah I'd have no issue with Mckercher either. My preference is Watson, but we can't really lose with a combination of Watson/Curtin/Mckercher.

I lean hard towards Watson because I think he's the most talented player, plays in a difficult position to fill and if we get Sanders, I'm ok with our midfield.

If Marty Mcfly appeared from the future and told you these things below, then disappeared, would Curtin still be in consideration?

• we will swing Comben back and he will be dominant
• we will add a developing key back with a later pick
• we will add an okay experienced back in trade week to cover for Logue

I'm not sure if I like the idea of Curtin more than Curtin as an actual player. I still have a nagging feeling that he's jack of all trades but master of none. But a mobile, skilled, KPD sounds nice.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Id like to doubt Watson ‘drawing’ high free kicks in the AFL would be his most prevalent avenue to goal.

Especially if it’s in the same vein as Ginnivan, who’s been found out as having not much else in his kit bag.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Id like to doubt Watson ‘drawing’ high free kicks in the AFL would be his most prevalent avenue to goal.

Especially if it’s in the same vein as Ginnivan, who’s been found out as having not much else in his kit bag.

I think Souup has said before that not only does Watson kick bags for fun; is a quick, evasive pest; is perhaps the smartest player in the draft; opens up the game with his dynamism; BUT can also be played on any line.

Imagine running Watson as a Caleb Daniel type out of HB to release Sheezel for a game, fortnight or year or two. Having players like Watson (or Reid or Curtin) means that Clarkson has more options to move the chess pieces around on game day.

Or using Watson’s creativity, skill and vision on a wing to break through the oppo’s zone.

 

[DesertRoo]

Id like to doubt Watson ‘drawing’ high free kicks in the AFL would be his most prevalent avenue to goal.

Especially if it’s in the same vein as Ginnivan, who’s been found out as having not much else in his kit bag.

There’s players like Ginnivan who play for free kicks and there’s players like Cyril who are so dangerous when the ball is in the area, opposition players tend to freak out and infringe.

Its hard to pick which junior is which. But Watsons a freak he doesn’t waste many opportunities.

 

[DANMAN]

if we get Band 1 for McKay and finish second last, it's got be McKercher and Curtin , if we can somehow get the Gold Coast Pick 5 .
then grab Watson .
McKercher,Curtin,Watson,Sanders and Tall Reid at Port's pick 14/15.
Trade for Melican , Fisher for half back, Burgess as another KPF
sorted .....

 

[Epictetus]

i have rachele as watto's comparison

but watto hits the scoreboard more

Rachele looks to have 10cms and 15 kgs on him.

 

[Souup]

Who is Watson's best AFL comparison?

He honestly doesn't have one. Kid's a freak with his mixture of speed, agility and leap, along with his goal sense. I'd say the closest thing stylistically is Papley if Papley was more agile, had a better leap on him and hit the scoreboard more often.

Watson's testing numbers at the beginning of LAST YEAR (he didn't test in pre-season this year):
94cm vertical
2.93 20m
8.1 agility
640 yo-yo

For comparison's sake, another athletic beast in Wardlaw's numbers (in his draft year):
101cm vertical
2.953 20m
8.32 agility
600 yo-yo

Watson's got Wardlaw beat in almost every category, and that's Watson testing as a kid that just turned 17. 80% of players would improve their testing numbers from their underage to draft year.

 

[Epictetus]

You know what they say about players that don't have a player comparison? Especially in US sports...

I'm not disagreeing that he doesn't have a relevant comparison, just that it's a concern imo that he doesn't.

 

[Souup]

You know what they say about players that don't have a player comparison? Especially in US sports...

I'm not disagreeing that he doesn't have a relevant comparison, just that it's a concern imo that he doesn't.

He doesn't have a relevant comparison because he's a unicorn and so unique.

What comparison do you think Buddy had before he was drafted? There was not another key forward who has ever played the game like him with his mix of athletic and footballing traits.

I'm not saying Watson is going to have a Buddy-like career, but this argument is not a good one.

 

[tazaa]

Love this.

There are quality midfielders every year, there are very rarely elite potential small forwards lying around.

How many quality midfielders are there in the competition? 20/30?
How many quality small match-winning forwards are there in the competition? 8?

Further to the point:

How many quality midfielders do we have/will we have on our list end of this year? LDU, Wardlaw, Sanders, Simpkin (Phillips, Powell)
How many quality small forwards do we have on our list? None

He is an exciting prospect. He will instantly become a crowd favourite.
Any doubt about taking him would be forgotten the day he kicks his first bag and this whole website will be going nuts over him.

 

[JGreezy]

You know what they say about players that don't have a player comparison? Especially in US sports...

I'm not disagreeing that he doesn't have a relevant comparison, just that it's a concern imo that he doesn't.

I'm a believer in that approach but I'm not sure that it applies when the lack of comparison is from him being better at some things.
Like, a more athletic Milne.

 

[Souup]

He is an exciting prospect. He will instantly become a crowd favourite.
Any doubt about taking him would be forgotten the day he kicks his first bag and this whole website will be going nuts over him.

The prospect of Watson, Sheezel, George and PC in the same forward line is absolutely mental and would be our point of difference to the rest of the competition. No other side will have that much small/medium forward talent or the defenders to shut them all down with their mix of athleticism and footballing ability.

Bums will be in seats with those 4 patrolling the forward line, and that's without mentioning taller types like Larkey, Comben and even Zurhaar who could easily fit in with the 4 I mentioned earlier in terms of the excitement he brings.

 

[shinboner magic]

We will pick up Riccardi on a 3 year deal.
We will pick up Paddy Pow on a 2 year deal on the cheap from the blues.
We will also pick up an established key defender for free.

I’m old enough to remember going after dusty / jelly / heeney
Aim for the stars

If Marty Mcfly appeared from the future and told you these things below, then disappeared, would Curtin still be in consideration?

• we will swing Comben back and he will be dominant
• we will add a developing key back with a later pick
• we will add an okay experienced back in trade week to cover for Logue

I'm not sure if I like the idea of Curtin more than Curtin as an actual player. I still have a nagging feeling that he's jack of all trades but master of none. But a mobile, skilled, KPD sounds nice.

Can I ask you if you’re Ross Lyon as we need some forwards

 

[Souup]

If Marty Mcfly appeared from the future and told you these things below, then disappeared, would Curtin still be in consideration?

• we will swing Comben back and he will be dominant
• we will add a developing key back with a later pick
• we will add an okay experienced back in trade week to cover for Logue

I'm not sure if I like the idea of Curtin more than Curtin as an actual player. I still have a nagging feeling that he's jack of all trades but master of none. But a mobile, skilled, KPD sounds nice.

I actually think the game is moving more to a ground-ball game type, but I still think every side needs one dependable 195cm+ key defender. We're going to lose one, and Curtin is the perfect type to slot into that role.

To answer your question, yeah he probably still would be as I like his ability to play in any third of the ground.

 

[JGreezy]

I’m old enough to remember going after dusty / jelly / heeney
Aim for the stars

Can I ask you if you’re Ross Lyon as we need some forwards

Some forwards would be nice, too.

But I guess that my point is that if we didn't need a KPD then would he still be in the same tier as Walter, McKercher, Watson?

 

[chubbspeterson]

If we lose McKay and dont take Curtin, it'll be a mistake. How many years have we not recruited a decent KPB/F? We can stack our midfield with the best players in the comp, but relying upon Corr, Lmac, Young and Bonar will hold us back. We need to take another high pick mid, the best big back, a small forward, then the rest of our picks as many big guys as possible IMO.

We're still a chance to get a key defender at the Port pick (Murphy/Schoenmaker). Just take whoever we think is the best talent at the early picks.
We might get another 2nd round PP as well. Could also trade a future 2nd if we want to target somebody like a Logan Morris perhaps.

 

[JGreezy]

I actually think the game is moving more to a ground-ball game type, but I still think every side needs one dependable 195cm+ key defender. We're going to lose one, and Curtin is the perfect type to slot into that role.

To answer your question, yeah he probably still would be as I like his ability to play in any third of the ground.

Thats fair. I've only watched him play 3-4 times and its been mixed performances.
I like the idea of him, if he can live up to that.

 

[Epictetus]

He doesn't have a relevant comparison because he's a unicorn and so unique.

What comparison do you think Buddy had before he was drafted? There was not another key forward who has ever played the game like him with his mix of athletic and footballing traits.

I'm not saying Watson is going to have a Buddy-like career, but this argument is not a good one.

Again, my point is that this unicorn stuff is not a selling point in my view but a concern. It indicates that players with these dimensions and traits rarely, if ever, succeed. Which is not the same as saying they can't, just a reflection that it's likely they won't. That is not arguable.

And when you mention Franklin, I don't think that advances your argument. He succeeded because he was immensely talent and the best mix of size and athleticism ever. Not a throw away. Absolutely of all time. I understand he played the game differently to everyone with his physical stature, but his physical gifts and size and his footy talent are what MADE him one of the greats.

This boy is at the bottom end of dimensional ladder. I'm not saying he won't make it or disparaging him. But this club needs so much to go right and has so many gaps that he's not a risk I'd like to see taken. That's it.

 

[joegreen]

Again, my point is that this unicorn stuff is not a selling point in my view but a concern. It indicates that players with these dimensions and traits rarely, if ever, succeed. Which is not the same as saying they can't, just a reflection that it's likely they won't. That is not arguable.

And when you mention Franklin, I don't think that advances your argument. He succeeded because he was immensely talent and the best mix of size and athleticism ever. Not a throw away. Absolutely of all time. I understand he played the game differently to everyone with his physical stature, but his physical gifts and size and his footy talent are what MADE him one of the greats.

This boy is at the bottom end of dimensional ladder. I'm not saying he won't make it or disparaging him. But this club needs so much to go right and has so many gaps that he's not a risk I'd like to see taken. That's it.

Souup talking all time greats and unicorns.... What does Watson and Leigh Matthews have in common? Albeit Matthews was 8cms taller... which at only 178cm is still short.

 

[Flawed Genius]

He honestly doesn't have one. Kid's a freak with his mixture of speed, agility and leap, along with his goal sense. I'd say the closest thing stylistically is Papley if Papley was more agile, had a better leap on him and hit the scoreboard more often.

Watson's testing numbers at the beginning of LAST YEAR (he didn't test in pre-season this year):
94cm vertical
2.93 20m
8.1 agility
640 yo-yo

For comparison's sake, another athletic beast in Wardlaw's numbers (in his draft year):
101cm vertical
2.953 20m
8.32 agility
600 yo-yo

Watson's got Wardlaw beat in almost every category, and that's Watson testing as a kid that just turned 17. 80% of players would improve their testing numbers from their underage to draft year.

Also. F***ing lol at Wardlaws numbers. What a pisser of a prospect

 

[JGreezy]

Couldn't you say that Watson is a Caleb Daniel

35

Caleb Daniel

Age

28

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

/Kosi hybrid? The ability to play like either.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Rachele looks to have 10cms and 15 kgs on him.

Yeah but similar player

I’d go a cross between rachele and kozzie pickett

 

[pupstar]

The prospect of Watson, Sheezel, George and PC in the same forward line is absolutely mental and would be our point of difference to the rest of the competition. No other side will have that much small/medium forward talent or the defenders to shut them all down with their mix of athleticism and footballing ability.

Bums will be in seats with those 4 patrolling the forward line, and that's without mentioning taller types like Larkey, Comben and even Zurhaar who could easily fit in with the 4 I mentioned earlier in terms of the excitement he brings.

And this is the exact reason why i get so tired of people saying we are so bad all the time we a crap and cant see what we are building. You have added one player to our side and made us sound fantastic i love the sound of your - our vision and that is just the Forward line . Bring in the Wizard and enjoy the ride.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Also. F***ing lol at Wardlaws numbers. What a pisser of a prospect

The campaigner can jump a full metre in the air FFS.

Lunacy.

 

[speedy]

Somehow Watson is exactly what we need and exactly what we cant draft at the same time.
We have so many holes small forward is like a 4th or 5th need and his size makes him a risky top 5 pick.
Is he really that good he goes top 5?