List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

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Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.
  • Mac Andrew
  • Hunter Clark
  • Zac Fisher
  • Sam Flanders
  • Mitch Georgiades
  • Liam Henry
  • Dougal Howard
  • Lewis Melican
  • Jack Silvagni
  • Dylan Stephens
  • Adam Tomlinson
 
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AFL pushing for players to be traded against their will in major shake-up to player movement​

In what could be a major shake-up to the AFL trade landscape, the league is pushing for players to be moved against their will.

Sam Landsberger and Jon Ralph

4 min read
April 24, 2023 - 4:07PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom

The AFL’s superstars would be traded against their will NBA-style under a radical proposal raised by the league as part of its pay talks with the AFL Players’ Association.

And the league has for the first time officially asked the AFLPA to consider a mid-season trade period under the next collective bargaining agreement to help increase player movement across clubs.

The AFL gave its first proposal to the AFLPA three weeks ago as part of negotiations which have both parties a long way apart on the finances and tenure of the new CBA agreement.

The AFLPA is adamant the next CBA should run no longer than four years given the uncertain climate and possibility of a Tasmania licence being granted, whereas the league is pushing for a nine-year contract.

AFLPA boss Paul Marsh on Monday told the Herald Sun the players and the player union were firmly against any proposal to trade players against their will.

“They want to reduce player freedom contracts and take away choice of movement and they want us to fund past player liabilities,” Marsh said.

“They put some conditions around that (trading players) – players would have to be earning a certain amount to be able to be traded without consent.


“But our players just don’t get paid enough to be put in that position.

“I’m taking the p*** here a bit, but I said we’ll consider that if we’re able to trade CEOs without your consent.”

Marsh said “certain coaches” supported the AFL’s proposal to move players without their consent – but the AFLPA’s position was that forcefully relocating players and their families was off limits.

Asked about the possibility of playing more Thursday night football, which the AFLPA has approved, Marsh said: “You do have to weigh it up too with the health and safety piece. The game’s never been quicker. I think we often think that professional athletes aren’t humans.

“Like some of the stuff that gets put in front of you in these discussions is just … oh my god. We’ll just trade them without their consent, we’ll push them over to another part of the country – that sort of stuff really shits me.

“Because they are humans and we deal with all the stuff on the back end of the players’ career after they’ve been treated poorly.

“Let’s not run these young athletes into the ground because everyone wants to sit on the couch on a Thursday night. But in saying that there’s enough opportunities here to do that.”

Marsh said when that landed in the AFL’s first proposal he knew it was “going to be a tough negotiation”.


“The gap between our proposals is really significant,” he said.

“The AFL proposal’s structurally worse for AFL players than the current deal, and it doesn’t meaningfully progress the AFLW vision.

“They want to cut back on men’s leave, they want to be able to trade players without their consent … the AFL proposal falls way short of our vision, but also it’s own vision and entrenches inequality.

“They want to grow the women’s pay at the same percentage rate as the men’s pay and if you follow that through they’ll never bridge the gap.

“There’s no intent to bridge the gap.

“There’s a number of workplace condition issues, there’s some footy issues, there’s some commercial issues as well.

“The financial model they put to us is actually a diminished revenue share model in its structure and doesn’t include the AFLW players in it.

“So they’re talking about a joint CBA that isn’t really because they’re saying the men can have this revenue share deal and we’ll just pay the women this.”

Marsh confirmed the AFL’s proposal also included a mid-season trade period, which the AFLPA was open to.

“There’s some benefits to a mid-season trade. Players who are not getting a game may get a game somewhere else,” Marsh said.

“There are some negatives, too. Competitive balance means it might actually be a poor thing for a club.

“It may be terrible for the second half of every season as clubs who are no longer contending start to push out talent.”

The AFL’s general manager of finance, clubs and broadcast Travis Auld has taken the lead for the league on negotiations so far.

The AFLPA wrote to the AFL two days after the seven-year $4.5 billion broadcast deal – which runs from 2025-2031 – was signed last September.

Marsh said the AFL responded just before Christmas, about three and a half months later, and then the AFLPA tabled its first proposal five weeks after that.

That early February proposal was met with the AFL’s counter offer three weeks ago.

The AFLPA is adamant men’s salaries can’t go backwards to subsidise AFLW wages and wants a 32 per cent revenue share model, where players are paid 32 per cent of the game’s revenue.

That would see men’s players pocket 30.5 per cent of the pie under an 85-15 per cent split between men and women.
 
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Melbourne is closing in on a four-year deal with brilliant premiership forward Kysaiah Pickett that would see him locked into the club until free agency.

The Herald Sun can reveal Pickett’s management is now negotiating exclusively with the Demons despite strong interest from Port Adelaide and WA-based clubs.

He is on track to pledge his future to the Demons in coming weeks after strong recent progress in negotiations.

Pickett is one of footy’s hottest properties in a market where clubs are desperate to secure goal kicking forwards who can go into the midfield to extract centre-square clearances.

Port Adelaide had been hopeful they might secure the 21-year-old, who spent the final years of his junior career living with uncle and Port Adelaide legend Byron Pickett in South Australia.

West Coast and Fremantle had already expressed interest given he spent his early years in West Australia.

It is believed Melbourne has recently improved its financial offer to Pickett, who has kicked at least 40 goals in each of his past two seasons and has only just started playing serious midfield minutes.

Industry sources believed rivals would need to offer Pickett a long-term deal at $800,000 to try to tempt him away from a club that has already handed him premiership success.

But a four-year deal will reward his stunning early-career success and give him the chance at 26 years of age to consider whether he will move with the flexibility of free agency.

The Demons refused to comment on Monday but the club is confident that within weeks they will have secured Pickett on a new deal.

The Herald Sun reported in March that the Demons were interested in securing Pickett’s good mate Liam Henry from Fremantle given he was out of contract and out of favour.

Henry missed selection for Fremantle’s clash against the Western Bulldogs, with his future at the club still uncertain.

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The Demons have locked in most of their stars long-term including Angus Brayshaw (2028), Clayton Oliver (20230), Brodie Grundy (2027), Max Gawn (2025), Steven May (2025), Jacob Van Rooyen (2025) and Bailey Fritsch (2026).

The Demons also have Fremantle’s first and second-round selections as part of the Luke Jackson trade, with the Dockers’ early struggles meaning Melbourne is in prime position in this year’s national draft.
 
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Melbourne is closing in on a four-year deal with brilliant premiership forward Kysaiah Pickett that would see him locked into the club until free agency.

The Herald Sun can reveal Pickett’s management is now negotiating exclusively with the Demons despite strong interest from Port Adelaide and WA-based clubs.

He is on track to pledge his future to the Demons in coming weeks after strong recent progress in negotiations.

Pickett is one of footy’s hottest properties in a market where clubs are desperate to secure goal kicking forwards who can go into the midfield to extract centre-square clearances.

Port Adelaide had been hopeful they might secure the 21-year-old, who spent the final years of his junior career living with uncle and Port Adelaide legend Byron Pickett in South Australia.

West Coast and Fremantle had already expressed interest given he spent his early years in West Australia.

It is believed Melbourne has recently improved its financial offer to Pickett, who has kicked at least 40 goals in each of his past two seasons and has only just started playing serious midfield minutes.

Industry sources believed rivals would need to offer Pickett a long-term deal at $800,000 to try to tempt him away from a club that has already handed him premiership success.

But a four-year deal will reward his stunning early-career success and give him the chance at 26 years of age to consider whether he will move with the flexibility of free agency.

The Demons refused to comment on Monday but the club is confident that within weeks they will have secured Pickett on a new deal.

The Herald Sun reported in March that the Demons were interested in securing Pickett’s good mate Liam Henry from Fremantle given he was out of contract and out of favour.

Henry missed selection for Fremantle’s clash against the Western Bulldogs, with his future at the club still uncertain.

​

The Demons have locked in most of their stars long-term including Angus Brayshaw (2028), Clayton Oliver (20230), Brodie Grundy (2027), Max Gawn (2025), Steven May (2025), Jacob Van Rooyen (2025) and Bailey Fritsch (2026).

The Demons also have Fremantle’s first and second-round selections as part of the Luke Jackson trade, with the Dockers’ early struggles meaning Melbourne is in prime position in this year’s national draft.
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It’s funny how Clubs will cling onto anything to grab an in demand player like Pickett. He visited WA once, he was seen driving passed Adelaide Oval too.
 
giantroo said:



Melbourne is closing in on a four-year deal with brilliant premiership forward Kysaiah Pickett that would see him locked into the club until free agency.

The Herald Sun can reveal Pickett’s management is now negotiating exclusively with the Demons despite strong interest from Port Adelaide and WA-based clubs.

He is on track to pledge his future to the Demons in coming weeks after strong recent progress in negotiations.

Pickett is one of footy’s hottest properties in a market where clubs are desperate to secure goal kicking forwards who can go into the midfield to extract centre-square clearances.

Port Adelaide had been hopeful they might secure the 21-year-old, who spent the final years of his junior career living with uncle and Port Adelaide legend Byron Pickett in South Australia.

West Coast and Fremantle had already expressed interest given he spent his early years in West Australia.

It is believed Melbourne has recently improved its financial offer to Pickett, who has kicked at least 40 goals in each of his past two seasons and has only just started playing serious midfield minutes.

Industry sources believed rivals would need to offer Pickett a long-term deal at $800,000 to try to tempt him away from a club that has already handed him premiership success.

But a four-year deal will reward his stunning early-career success and give him the chance at 26 years of age to consider whether he will move with the flexibility of free agency.

The Demons refused to comment on Monday but the club is confident that within weeks they will have secured Pickett on a new deal.

The Herald Sun reported in March that the Demons were interested in securing Pickett’s good mate Liam Henry from Fremantle given he was out of contract and out of favour.

Henry missed selection for Fremantle’s clash against the Western Bulldogs, with his future at the club still uncertain.

​

The Demons have locked in most of their stars long-term including Angus Brayshaw (2028), Clayton Oliver (20230), Brodie Grundy (2027), Max Gawn (2025), Steven May (2025), Jacob Van Rooyen (2025) and Bailey Fritsch (2026).

The Demons also have Fremantle’s first and second-round selections as part of the Luke Jackson trade, with the Dockers’ early struggles meaning Melbourne is in prime position in this year’s national draft.
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Most clubs would happily offer him this:


“Industry sources believed rivals would need to offer Pickett a long-term deal at $800,000 to try to tempt him away from a club that has already handed him premiership success.”
 
Harris 10 said:
Most clubs would happily offer him this:


“Industry sources believed rivals would need to offer Pickett a long-term deal at $800,000 to try to tempt him away from a club that has already handed him premiership success.”
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Id do it 100%
 

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roos_fanatic08 said:
Clubs have to get some of the power back. Contracted players nominating where they want to play is so backwards and goes against any sort of equalisation.
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As context, we old-timers remember that, during the 70s and 80s, the AFL was terrified of facing a legal restraint of trade challenge to their player movement rules.
 
We will turn over another 15 players over the next two years, one way or another.
 
hoffseason gains said:
Hartung an example, picked up as a mature ager, played 13 games, delisted by end of year.
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Hartung replaced Sam Gibson, who was delisted after 130 consecutive games

Whilst Gibson did buggar all at Adelaide, it made little sense at the time.
 
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AFL pushing for players to be traded against their will in major shake-up to player movement​

In what could be a major shake-up to the AFL trade landscape, the league is pushing for players to be moved against their will.

Sam Landsberger and Jon Ralph

4 min read
April 24, 2023 - 4:07PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom

The AFL’s superstars would be traded against their will NBA-style under a radical proposal raised by the league as part of its pay talks with the AFL Players’ Association.

And the league has for the first time officially asked the AFLPA to consider a mid-season trade period under the next collective bargaining agreement to help increase player movement across clubs.

The AFL gave its first proposal to the AFLPA three weeks ago as part of negotiations which have both parties a long way apart on the finances and tenure of the new CBA agreement.

The AFLPA is adamant the next CBA should run no longer than four years given the uncertain climate and possibility of a Tasmania licence being granted, whereas the league is pushing for a nine-year contract.

AFLPA boss Paul Marsh on Monday told the Herald Sun the players and the player union were firmly against any proposal to trade players against their will.

“They want to reduce player freedom contracts and take away choice of movement and they want us to fund past player liabilities,” Marsh said.

“They put some conditions around that (trading players) – players would have to be earning a certain amount to be able to be traded without consent.


“But our players just don’t get paid enough to be put in that position.

“I’m taking the p*** here a bit, but I said we’ll consider that if we’re able to trade CEOs without your consent.”

Marsh said “certain coaches” supported the AFL’s proposal to move players without their consent – but the AFLPA’s position was that forcefully relocating players and their families was off limits.

Asked about the possibility of playing more Thursday night football, which the AFLPA has approved, Marsh said: “You do have to weigh it up too with the health and safety piece. The game’s never been quicker. I think we often think that professional athletes aren’t humans.

“Like some of the stuff that gets put in front of you in these discussions is just … oh my god. We’ll just trade them without their consent, we’ll push them over to another part of the country – that sort of stuff really shits me.

“Because they are humans and we deal with all the stuff on the back end of the players’ career after they’ve been treated poorly.

“Let’s not run these young athletes into the ground because everyone wants to sit on the couch on a Thursday night. But in saying that there’s enough opportunities here to do that.”

Marsh said when that landed in the AFL’s first proposal he knew it was “going to be a tough negotiation”.


“The gap between our proposals is really significant,” he said.

“The AFL proposal’s structurally worse for AFL players than the current deal, and it doesn’t meaningfully progress the AFLW vision.

“They want to cut back on men’s leave, they want to be able to trade players without their consent … the AFL proposal falls way short of our vision, but also it’s own vision and entrenches inequality.

“They want to grow the women’s pay at the same percentage rate as the men’s pay and if you follow that through they’ll never bridge the gap.

“There’s no intent to bridge the gap.

“There’s a number of workplace condition issues, there’s some footy issues, there’s some commercial issues as well.

“The financial model they put to us is actually a diminished revenue share model in its structure and doesn’t include the AFLW players in it.

“So they’re talking about a joint CBA that isn’t really because they’re saying the men can have this revenue share deal and we’ll just pay the women this.”

Marsh confirmed the AFL’s proposal also included a mid-season trade period, which the AFLPA was open to.

“There’s some benefits to a mid-season trade. Players who are not getting a game may get a game somewhere else,” Marsh said.

“There are some negatives, too. Competitive balance means it might actually be a poor thing for a club.

“It may be terrible for the second half of every season as clubs who are no longer contending start to push out talent.”

The AFL’s general manager of finance, clubs and broadcast Travis Auld has taken the lead for the league on negotiations so far.

The AFLPA wrote to the AFL two days after the seven-year $4.5 billion broadcast deal – which runs from 2025-2031 – was signed last September.

Marsh said the AFL responded just before Christmas, about three and a half months later, and then the AFLPA tabled its first proposal five weeks after that.

That early February proposal was met with the AFL’s counter offer three weeks ago.

The AFLPA is adamant men’s salaries can’t go backwards to subsidise AFLW wages and wants a 32 per cent revenue share model, where players are paid 32 per cent of the game’s revenue.

That would see men’s players pocket 30.5 per cent of the pie under an 85-15 per cent split between men and women.
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For the first time in history it's gonna start raining men I agree with the AFL.
 
Harris 10 said:
Most clubs would happily offer him this:


“Industry sources believed rivals would need to offer Pickett a long-term deal at $800,000 to try to tempt him away from a club that has already handed him premiership success.”
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That'd price Mahony around $795k, being the slightly lesser version.
 
King Corey said:
That'd price Mahony around $795k, being the slightly lesser version.
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Yes… that’s right lurking opposition friends… Mahony is worth that much, I hope you don’t let your club know we have Pickett Mark 2 playing for us that would cost you a first rounder….



(Dusts hands, that’ll work)
 
Themanbun said:
You reckon?

There's probably only 4-5 good genuine small forwards in the comp, and he's in the top 2.
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$800k is game changing KPF/Midfielder money.

Just because we suck at recruiting small forwards, doesn’t mean they’re worth 7.5% of the salary cap.
 
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