List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[The Dingrel]

To some extent, it was a panic move after the round 1 fiasco when we lost Ben McKay early in the game and then Hawthorn managed to isolate Ziebell on either Lewis or Gunston. He was never meant to play on a tall forward. He got exposed in that game but we persisted with him in defence and he played okay against West Coast a week later. Then came the Brisbane disaster when the backline was overrun by a torrent of inside 50s. Their small forwards ran riot and it looked for all money as though Ziebell could not play on talls or smalls in defence. He was moved forward the following week and kicked a bag against Sydney. The thing is though, nobody was complaining as much about his productivity in defence in 2021. It was only two really tough games for him at the start of 2022. Maybe that was enough to say he can't play defence but there were mitigating circumstances in both of these games.

To be fair, I was at that game at the GABBA and the score line had nothing to do with the defensive 50. It was all over the ground the Lions just had loose men everywhere and just impossible to defend inside D50. In 40+ years of watching footy I've never seen anything so inept and was either a lack of work rate, a terrible game plan, and/or a team who had no understanding of or were confused by the game plan. Felt like the latter that then fed into the former, and that was probably the end of Noble. If Syd Barker voting is anything to go by, JZ had his best season at the club in defense. If Clarko wants him there, then who are we to disagree!

 

[The Dingrel]

Speed, skills and athleticism is the word on him but I simply haven’t seen it. I have no qualms picking him up for the cost but for mine he is way way back in the pecking order

I’d argue Jackson Archer will go past him by end of the year

by pre season reports he may have before R1!

 

[The Dingrel]

The Goat and Perez to be our half back flanker distributors next year

B: McDonald McKay Corr
HB: Goater Logue Perez

I don't disagree but think Hall is still in there with Goater on a wing, not arguing his case but Young seems very under-rated on here. I thought he was one of our most improved players, took some excellent contested marks in 2022 and is a good kick. A smoky could be Dawson, he showed a bit of dash and willingness to carry the ball.....really interested to see how he develops with a full preseason in a professional environment with Clarko at the helm.

 

[gustaaf]

To be fair, I was at that game at the GABBA and the score line had nothing to do with the defensive 50. It was all over the ground the Lions just had loose men everywhere and just impossible to defend inside D50. In 40+ years of watching footy I've never seen anything so inept and was either a lack of work rate, a terrible game plan, and/or a team who had no understanding of or were confused by the game plan. Felt like the latter that then fed into the former, and that was probably the end of Noble. If Syd Barker voting is anything to go by, JZ had his best season at the club in defense. If Clarko wants him there, then who are we to disagree!

I think you're giving Noble way too much credit by suggesting he actually deployed game plans. If he did I wasn't able to identify them. That was more than 50% of the reason why we kept on getting flogged by large margins. That will change now he is gone and the reason why I expect us to be far more competitive this year with far fewer massacres to endure.

 

[Wonderdog]

20. Larks

We gotta get this guy some help. The need for a tall forward that can be a legitimate secondary target must be a priority. Larks has a great work rate, is a good set shot kick & can get goals in multiple but attracts at least two defenders as he has been our only aerial target up forward. If he can add a good straight lead to his repertoire he will be even better.

 

[Wonderdog]

21. CCJ

Big blokes take time to develop but at 23 years old it is time to repay our investment in him. Unlikely to do more than 25% of the rucking so must hone his forward craft to become a legitimate forward target. Has never played more than 10 games in a season so needs a good run of games to work on the partnership with Larks. Hopefully Clarko’s game plan and the development of our mids facilitates this.

 

[The acurate one]

Right when one considering we have a new coaching regime with a hunger for success. Who survives into 2024. all OOC at seasons end

1. Hall
2. Bonar
3. Comben
4. Howe
5. Perez
6. Free
7. Greenwood
8. Mahony
9. Ziebell
10. Archer
11. Edwards
12. Goater
13. Turner
14. Young
15. Bergnan
16. Spicer
17. Goldy

Wow that's a lot but not much of a lot.

Also as we have 2 first rounders how do we get pick 1 if as a suspect we aint finishing last. We have some guys that have currency that while being good aren't necessarily important due to having others similar.

I want pick one we need to be aggressive.

 

[Passmore]

Right when one considering we have a new coaching regime with a hunger for success. Who survives into 2024. all OOC at seasons end

1. Hall
2. Bonar
3. Comben
4. Howe
5. Perez
6. Free
7. Greenwood
8. Mahony
9. Ziebell
10. Archer
11. Edwards
12. Goater
13. Turner
14. Young
15. Bergnan
16. Spicer
17. Goldy

Wow that's a lot but not much of a lot.

Also as we have 2 first rounders how do we get pick 1 if as a suspect we aint finishing last. We have some guys that have currency that while being good aren't necessarily important due to having others similar.

I want pick one we need to be aggressive.

Quite the list. Goater and Comben I’d think have A grade potential. Archer is getting some preseason kudos, and I still believe in Flyin Flynn. Bergman and Edwards are still babies. Young went ok last year. Goldy might play ‘till he’s 100.

The rest….oh well.

 

[The acurate one]

Quite the list. Goater and Comben I’d think have A grade potential. Archer is getting some preseason kudos, and I still believe in Flyin Flynn. Bergman and Edwards are still babies. Young went ok last year. Goldy might play ‘till he’s 100.

The rest….oh well.

Yeah 17 of the suckers. I agree, I haven't put a line through Perez or Bonars for that matter.

1. Archer
2. Perez
3. Bergman
4. Edwards
5. Goater
6. Goldy if he so desires.
7. Comben

Clearly we aint delisting 10 players again. So is possibly great news for the likes of Young and Bonar.

 

[Johnny99]

Right when one considering we have a new coaching regime with a hunger for success. Who survives into 2024. all OOC at seasons end

1. Hall
2. Bonar
3. Comben
4. Howe
5. Perez
6. Free
7. Greenwood
8. Mahony
9. Ziebell
10. Archer
11. Edwards
12. Goater
13. Turner
14. Young
15. Bergnan
16. Spicer
17. Goldy

Wow that's a lot but not much of a lot.

Also as we have 2 first rounders how do we get pick 1 if as a suspect we aint finishing last. We have some guys that have currency that while being good aren't necessarily important due to having others similar.

I want pick one we need to be aggressive.

So given that potentially half that list is delisted at the end of the year, is this the reason why Brady traded our 2022 - picks in the 40's, for future third round picks ?

Because we will need to have 7-8 picks in the 2023 National and Rookie draft ?

 

[The Dingrel]

Right when one considering we have a new coaching regime with a hunger for success. Who survives into 2024. all OOC at seasons end

1. Hall
2. Bonar
3. Comben
4. Howe
5. Perez
6. Free
7. Greenwood
8. Mahony
9. Ziebell
10. Archer
11. Edwards
12. Goater
13. Turner
14. Young
15. Bergnan
16. Spicer
17. Goldy

Wow that's a lot but not much of a lot.

Also as we have 2 first rounders how do we get pick 1 if as a suspect we aint finishing last. We have some guys that have currency that while being good aren't necessarily important due to having others similar.

I want pick one we need to be aggressive.

Ideally, Poort take out the spoon! But failing that, Clarko and Brady should be in Reid's ear to stay in Vic, WCE take out the spoon and they worry about the flight risk, Brady goes to work with his old buddies over there and we work out a deal. Could work with GWS as well, lost some talent and remains to be seen how they respond to a rookie coach. I'd probably think Hawthorn and * also in the mix, which would make it difficult.

 

[The acurate one]

So given that potentially half that list is delisted at the end of the year, is this the reason why Brady traded our 2022 - picks in the 40's, for future third round picks ?

Because we will need to have 7-8 picks in the 2023 National and Rookie draft ?

Yeah don't know Johnny, not my area of expertise.

I do know that by the end of the draft 2023, we'll have had 6/7 early first-rounders since 2019 draft.
Then add in the second-rounders that are showing something Goater, Bergman & Curtis, also the highly-rated George.


When you compare those picks with these...
2012-pick 15 Garner
2014- pick 16 Sam Durdin
2014-pick 25 Dan Nielson
Then all of those other failed second-rounders that I can't be bothered listing.

My point is I'm not so sure we need any more draft picks currently unless we get pick #1 somehow.
I'm not against trading our picks next season, of course for class not shitmen.

 

[The acurate one]

Ideally, Poort take out the spoon! But failing that, Clarko and Brady should be in Reid's ear to stay in Vic, WCE take out the spoon and they worry about the flight risk, Brady goes to work with his old buddies over there and we work out a deal. Could work with GWS as well, lost some talent and remains to be seen how they respond to a rookie coach. I'd probably think Hawthorn and * also in the mix, which would make it difficult.

Yep Porta would be perfect. I agree it puts us , WCE and GWS as our best chances. Hawks I feel should be favorites which is the concern.

But that's ok, TT, and our first two-rounders should do the trick. Only half serious, it just though underlines how strong our draft hand has been of late. We could probably afford to do that.

 

[The Dingrel]

Yeah don't know Johnny, not my area of expertise.

I do know that by the end of the draft 2023, we'll have had 6/7 early first-rounders since 2019 draft.
Then add in the second-rounders that are showing something Goater, Bergman & Curtis, also the highly-rated George.


When you compare those picks with these...
2012-pick 15 Garner
2014- pick 16 Sam Durdin
2014-pick 25 Dan Nielson
Then all of those other failed second-rounders that I can't be bothered listing.

My point is I'm not so sure we need any more draft picks currently unless we get pick #1 somehow.
I'm not against trading our picks next season, of course for class not shitmen.

Yeah good points, Before LDU cunners was our last top 10 draft pick still on the list (apart from Lmac f/s). I look at it as a portfolio, you need some diversification across age groups to be able to manage the cap. Can't have a bunch of top 10 picks all at once demanding to be paid top dollar in a few years time. I think key is once the club looks to be on the up and challenging you keep older guys around who can still play but on reduced salaries, and may well attract older guys from rebuilding clubs by offering them 2 years instead of the 1 but on a lower annual rate, Wells at Collingwood, Higgo and Geelong, Tarrant at Richmond, etc etc. ie/ getting toward the end of their career have been paid good cash but are keen for a last roll of the dice to win some silverware. Having Clarko makes it that bit easier to attract players as there's the belief the club could go all the way once we get ourselves up the ladder and show the core group improving but still young.

 

[gustaaf]

If Reid truly is the generational talent he is purported to be, then I can't see any club trading away the #1 pick under almost any circumstance unless they receive a top class player as part of the trade. Two first round draft picks won't be enough and three first round draft picks would be stupid in my opinion. If North doesn't "win" the spoon then we should not invest much time and energy into securing the #1 pick through other means.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

To be fair, I was at that game at the GABBA and the score line had nothing to do with the defensive 50. It was all over the ground the Lions just had loose men everywhere and just impossible to defend inside D50. In 40+ years of watching footy I've never seen anything so inept and was either a lack of work rate, a terrible game plan, and/or a team who had no understanding of or were confused by the game plan. Felt like the latter that then fed into the former, and that was probably the end of Noble. If Syd Barker voting is anything to go by, JZ had his best season at the club in defense. If Clarko wants him there, then who are we to disagree!

Yes I agree completely that the Brisbane game was not lost in our defence as their forwards got so much quality delivery that the very best defence would have been overwhelmed.

 

[Shermanator]

If Reid truly is the generational talent he is purported to be, then I can't see any club trading away the #1 pick under almost any circumstance unless they receive a top class player as part of the trade. Two first round draft picks won't be enough and three first round draft picks would be stupid in my opinion. If North doesn't "win" the spoon then we should not invest much time and energy into securing the #1 pick through other means.

Yep we might get two generational KPF’s in our first two picks, it‘s the supa-doopa-draft after all..

 

[hilly]

Right when one considering we have a new coaching regime with a hunger for success. Who survives into 2024. all OOC at seasons end

1. Hall
2. Bonar
3. Comben
4. Howe
5. Perez
6. Free
7. Greenwood
8. Mahony
9. Ziebell
10. Archer
11. Edwards
12. Goater
13. Turner
14. Young
15. Bergnan
16. Spicer
17. Goldy

Wow that's a lot but not much of a lot.

Also as we have 2 first rounders how do we get pick 1 if as a suspect we aint finishing last. We have some guys that have currency that while being good aren't necessarily important due to having others similar.

I want pick one we need to be aggressive.

I expect Hall and Ziebell will retire. The likes of Bonar, Greenwood, Mahony, Turner, Spicer, Bergman, Archer, Young and Edwards will need to show something.

Given they only reside on the rookie list I expect Howe and Free to get a 2nd year.

Pick 2 and Comben is our best offer for 1 and I doubt it's enough on exposed form.

 

[JGreezy]

Is Pickett from Melbourne signed up?

Also, if we have two top 10 picks next year then we should be speaking to some more established, young, key forwards to see how interested they are.

 

[BRider]

Is Pickett from Melbourne signed up?

Also, if we have two top 10 picks next year then we should be speaking to some more established, young, key forwards to see how interested they are.

No - if we have two top 10 picks you use them - the talent is insane next year.

 

[JGreezy]

No - if we have two top 10 picks you use them - the talent is insane next year.

It would depend what is available for trade and how well we go this season.

Drafting a KPF will probably not produce for a couple of years.

 

[zoomba23]

Right when one considering we have a new coaching regime with a hunger for success. Who survives into 2024. all OOC at seasons end

1. Hall
2. Bonar
3. Comben
4. Howe
5. Perez
6. Free
7. Greenwood
8. Mahony
9. Ziebell
10. Archer
11. Edwards
12. Goater
13. Turner
14. Young
15. Bergnan
16. Spicer
17. Goldy

Wow that's a lot but not much of a lot.

Also as we have 2 first rounders how do we get pick 1 if as a suspect we aint finishing last. We have some guys that have currency that while being good aren't necessarily important due to having others similar.

I want pick one we need to be aggressive.

Hawks win the spoon, nab Reid, and in Mitchell's eyes, they'll have the blueprint for a move back up the ladder. Reckon we'll be satisfied with our two first rounders.

Of those lads, at a guess, with all being fair and equal I say Hall, Perez, Comben, Archer, Edwards, Howe, Goater and Young are all more likely to ink new deals than not. Goldy also if he feels he can go around again. Still a lot to play out there though. Never discount the possibility that Mahony turns into prime Eddie Betts

 

[Del191229]

No - if we have two top 10 picks you use them - the talent is insane next year.

Meaning teams will offer high quality talent for picks.

Use one and trade the other to improve now.

Say we get 5 and 9.

We get a reaaaally nice player for 9.

 

[king of the road]

Hawks win the spoon, nab Reid, and in Mitchell's eyes, they'll have the blueprint for a move back up the ladder. Reckon we'll be satisfied with our two first rounders.

Of those lads, at a guess, with all being fair and equal I say Hall, Perez, Comben, Archer, Edwards, Howe, Goater and Young are all more likely to ink new deals than not. Goldy also if he feels he can go around again. Still a lot to play out there though. Never discount the possibility that Mahony turns into prime Eddie Betts

Not Hall.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Putting the practicalities of luring trade recruits to the side, the players I like who are young, OOC this year, and fit our team needs are:
Kozzie
Brad Close
Noah Balta
Dylan Moore (UFA)
Hunter Clark
Himmelberg