Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[Yardie]

Brockman for with Ryan is one of those rare player/player trades where it's a huge win for both clubs Hawthorn.

FIFY

 

[kenneje]

FIFY

Would be absolutely unreal if we could keep Brocky. That should be priority 1.

 

[bigbuddyboy]

I would much rather keep Brocky than use him to get Ryan. If we are going to lose brocky to wce regardless, I’d rather it be for a stand-alone pick or pick upgrade to get us from 3 to 1.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

I really hope we don't go for Gresham. Mitchell is building something a lot more special than that.

He's really dropped off this season. I wonder if it's a lack of motivation or RTB playing him in a non-preferred role due to him likely moving on anyway.

 

[Topiary]

Underestimate Gresham at your peril.

 

[GinniAndTonic]

On the west coast page they are apparently asking for pick 3 absolutely in dream land.

 

[Mercy Seat]

Underestimate Gresham at your peril.

Are we talking to him?

 

[Brant]

Ryan is worth an early second. Supremely talented but his injury history across the last two years leaves a lot to be desired.Pick 33 is slightly too low. Brocky (should he request a trade) + our third? Eagle supporters won't like that but Brocky is worth a second by himself.

Hawthorn supporters should be furious of anything that bad was even suggested.

 

[Burtman]

On the west coast page they are apparently asking for pick 3 absolutely in dream land.

I think I saw pick 3, dgb, brockman and a future 2nd for 10 and Ryan lol

 

[GinniAndTonic]

I think I saw pick 3, dgb, brockman and a future 2nd for 10 and Ryan lol

I’ve tried to tell them that nobody is paying a top 20 for Ryan coming off a whole year of injuries they just won’t listen though

 

[A1fromDay1]

Liam Ryan

1

Liam Ryan

Age

28

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

would be a massive addition and will be fresh given he's missed the whole year.

Transforms the forward line if we can grab him and the Wizard.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I’ve tried to tell them that nobody is paying a top 20 for Ryan coming off a whole year of injuries they just won’t listen though

They’re a fan base who have very little to look forward to for the better part of the next decade - unrealistic trades will be a refuge for them.

 

[PenAndPaper]

I’ve tried to tell them that nobody is paying a top 20 for Ryan coming off a whole year of injuries they just won’t listen though

tbf if I were them I wouldn't want to trade out their only other decent forward for a pick outside 20 either.

 

[GinniAndTonic]

tbf if I were them I wouldn't want to trade out their only other decent forward for a pick outside 20 either.

Haha I’d be pissed if I was a west coast supporter but unfortunately he’s a 27 year old that has hardly played all year.

 

[Brant]

If we're to trade a player to Wet Toast for Ryan then we can offer Scrimshaw.
Those offering Brockman are mad!

 

[Lickmesocks]

Why.. they can ship Zurhaar off as a Free Agent next year and wait for band one compo and another 2 x top 5 picks!! They’ve clocked the system!!
It’s vomit material really.

Zurhaar band 4 compo for bad ink

 

[GinniAndTonic]

According to west coast fans Ryan is worth equal to Sicily, Moore or Day. Didn’t realise drugs were that bad over in WA.

 

[Hawk4life1990]

Thinking of a few hypothetical scenarios

Trade 1:

Salary dump trade

Hawks:
In: Haynes, Pick 10
Out: Future 2nd

GWS:
In: Hawks Future 2nd
Out: Pick 10, Haynes

Trade 2:

Eagles get Pick 7 in Barass trade

Hawks:
In: Ryan, Pick 7
Out: Pick 10, Brockman

Eagles:
In: Brockman, Pick 10
Out: Ryan, Pick 7

Ins: Ryan, Haynes, Pick 7
Out: Future 2nd, Brockman

If we can get an amazing offer for our Future 1st. Either another top 10 Pick in this year's draft or someone like Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

or Bailey Smith

6

Bailey Smith

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

, I think we should take a look at it.

 

[A1fromDay1]

According to west coast fans Ryan is worth equal to Sicily, Moore or Day. Didn’t realise drugs were that bad over in WA.

Ben Cousins, Daniel Kerr & Co say Hello

 

[GinniAndTonic]

Ben Cousins, Daniel Kerr & Co say Hello

Good point.

 

[Brant]

Ins: Ryan, Haynes, Pick 7
Out: Future 2nd, Brockman

If we can get an amazing offer for our Future 1st. Either another top 10 Pick in this year's draft or someone like Ben King or Bailey Smith, I think we should take a look at it.

Would you then do 7 + F1 for King + F2?

 

[Topiary]

Would you then do 7 + F1 for King + F2?

The difference is. We have a chance with Ryan, that I can assure you. We are not even talking to the King team, as far as I know.

 

[Hawk4life1990]

Would you then do 7 + F1 for King + F2?

Nah Suns are more interested in points then another top 10 Pick.

If we were to look at getting Ben King, I'd involve a club like Sydney in a 3 way trade (especially if they lost Pick 7 in the Barass trade)

Something like:

Hawks:
In: Ben King, Pick 39
Out: Hawks Future 1st, Pick 30

Swans:
In: Pick 6, Pick 30
Out: Pick 21, Pick 25, Pick 39

Suns:
In: Hawks Future 1st, Pick 21, Pick 25
Out: Pick 6, Ben King

So we could have Pick 3 - Watson/McKercher

Pick 7 - Caddy/Duursma

But we'd need to get another Future 2nd back in somehow (as we would have traded out F1st & F2nd)

We would also need a couple more later picks to ensure we get McCabe via F/S

 

[Colloquy]

Thank God.

 

[eaglevision]

How does this look for Hawks:

3 way trade Eagles/Swans/Hawks



West Coast

Give: Ryan, Barrass

Get: Pick 3



Sydney

Give: Pick 7, Pick 26 (R2 Haw 2022 trade)

Get: Barrass, Pick 33 (R2 Dogs 2022 trade)



Hawthorn

Give: Pick 3, Pick 33 (R2 Dogs 2022 trade)

Get: Pick 7, Pick 26 (R2 Haw 2022 trade), Ryan