Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[tl92]

Dogs would demand two first round picks (including a top 5 pick). He is out of contract though next year so our bargaining power will be reduced which could give you an advantage. We played hardball with Dunkley last year but ultimately folded as they didn't want to lose him for nothing in the PSD.

Dunkley was never going to the psd

 

[hawkmang]

Hawk forward Brockman chooses landing zone for return home

Looks like a 3rd rd pick should be the best we can expect for Brocky…

 

[Peter Wallis]

Dunkley was never going to the psd

He wasn't going to go back to the Dogs either way.

 

[Mercy Seat]

Hawk forward Brockman chooses landing zone for return home

Looks like a 3rd rd pick should be the best we can expect for Brocky…

So much for all those posts saying he’d make sure we’d be duly compensated. Willing to go PSD…

 

[Billyc]

Hawk forward Brockman chooses landing zone for return home

Looks like a 3rd rd pick should be the best we can expect for Brocky…

We always had no bargaining power if he chose West Coast, despite the unrealistic and naive posts on here a few weeks ago about him staying unless Hawthorn got a great deal.

 

[Roddy]

We need another KPD but I would say our forward line needs more work than our defence.

We still need a key forward and probably 2 or 3 medium/small forwards

Key forwards, we have Lewis, Kosi, who I still believe can be a solid contributor, and I notice Sticks was named CHF in the VFL team of the year. He's going to be good. Rammer should eventually be a ruck/key forward, Hale-style.

Key backs, we have .... Blanck. Who's played a grand total of 24 games. That's it.

Sicily is our best player, but is NOT a key position defender.

Scrim, Weddle are NOT key position players.

We desperately need another big body back there.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

It is unquestionably our weakest area.

Wouldn’t say unquestionable - our forward structure leaves a lot to be desired. Our defence needs a good KPP to release Sicily and it’ll improve a fair bit. Our forward line needs a fair bit more than that.

 

[TylerDurden]

Send him to the PSD. I couldn't care less.

 

[Millsie69]

Hopefully the Bombers re-signing Baldwin for next year is a sign that they think they’ve missed out on McKay…

 

[Ned Ryerson]

So much for all those posts saying he’d make sure we’d be duly compensated. Willing to go PSD…

Do people really expect a player to say ‘hey club that’s offering me a multi-year big money deal just go easy on Hawthorn hey!’. He can walk for free in the PSD - West Coast hold all the aces and they know it.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Send him to the PSD. I couldn't care less.

Yeah, nah. We can’t cut off our noses to spite our face - a 3rd round pick helps for points for McCabe - take it and run.

 

[naysayer]

Key forwards, we have Lewis, Kosi, who I still believe can be a solid contributor, and I notice Sticks was named CHF in the VFL team of the year. He's going to be good. Rammer should eventually be a ruck/key forward, Hale-style.

Key backs, we have .... Blanck. Who's played a grand total of 24 games. That's it.

Sicily is our best player, but is NOT a key position defender.

Scrim, Weddle are NOT key position players.

We desperately need another big body back there.

Both ends of the ground we're a little thin, but finding a reliable backman is simply easier than finding reliable goal-kickers, not to mention less expensive.

 

[Scrads]

I think it's time to go all-in given GC have their Pick 4 on the table. Who knows the next time a pick that high will be so readily available like this. Our F1 is surely going to be the most tempting asset anyone can offer. Sticking point might be both of us wanting later picks this year for points, but that can be sorted out with other teams.

Maybe if we do end up landing McKay it will give us the confidence to pull the trigger on it.

Picks 3, 4 and McCabe - let's get them in and getting to work this year with the young group we already have.

 

[Billyc]

Send him to the PSD. I couldn't care less.

Chances of Hawthorn doing that to a young First Nations player with kids and who has requested a trade home in the current climate: absolutely nil. As seemed inevitable from the moment he wouldn’t sign a new deal, unless he chose the Dockers, we will have to accept whatever garbage West Coast offers. It sucks but is what it is

 

[Mercy Seat]

Do people really expect a player to say ‘hey club that’s offering me a multi-year big money deal just go easy on Hawthorn hey!’. He can walk for free in the PSD - West Coast hold all the aces and they know it.

No better way to endear yourself to your new employee than to make them cough of up more than they have to.

 

[FB19]

Its all good, just a misunderstanding.
We have another good prospect in 200cm Jordan Croft who we will pick up as a F/S this draft. The problem we have is that Bevo plays people out of position (Dunkley was used in the ruck - hence why he wanted out, Smith being played on a wing when he is a genuine outside mid (to name but a few). He also has his favourites like Macrae who never get close to being dropped no matter how poor they are while the likes of Rhylee West who would run through a brick wall for the club have one quiet game and they are out.
I am sure that if we could get say an Adem Yze type in as coach we could again be a top 4 side, the longer that Bevo stays, the less chance there is of that happening and our window will close.
On the other hand I love the way Mitchell goes about it, he has the respect of the players, you can see what he is building and the players are all buying in to his gameplan.

Yes so you have Croft and JUH up forward with Darcy and Naughton down back and at least 2 and maybe all can switch between the 2. And they are all 23 and under. it’s an amazingly odd position for a side that should be contending to be in. If I were the dogs I would be trading out of this draft into 2024 which is mid heavy and angling for crows first pick as they have Tyler welsh who will go top 5. Your natural picks and some f2 will box seat you to trade up and replace treloar and libba when all your young talls have 30-40
More games in them.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Then leave it up as a monument to embarrassment

Adding your sanctimonious demands is of no help! You simply escalate the matter from a mole hill to a mountain.

An I beg to differ it certainly reads as an attack.

The original poster responded and the rest is history

Feel free to see your self out now.

 

[Thorgils]

Has anyone ever been walked into the PSD?

 

[FB19]

Has anyone ever been walked into the PSD?

Yes Jack Martin and just delisted Jackson Hately

 

[Since 2001]

Ideal F/A and trade period:

Mackay - 6 years 4.5mil

WCE- pick 33, 38 and future 3rd - Brockman, DGB, Future 3rd
Hawks- Brockman, DGB, future 3rd - Hollands, 38, future 3rd
GCS- Hollands - 33

Hawks: Future 1st and 38
Dogs: Smith

Draft hand- 3, 29, 48

In: Mackay, Hollands, Smith, 38, future 3rd (WCE)
Out: Brockman, DGB, future 3rd, Future 1st

 

[daniel23]

Has anyone ever been walked into the PSD?

Jack Martin

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Has anyone ever been walked into the PSD?

Yes Joel Smith and Jack Martin

 

[The Chad and I]

Yes Joel Smith and Jack Martin

Nick Stevens.

 

[FB19]

So much for all those posts saying he’d make sure we’d be duly compensated. Willing to go PSD…

Why are you all melting down? A few things to consider:
First it’s what some of us have said all along would happen as we have no leverage. We tried our best to keep him and we hope he and the eagles deal with us in good faith anyway but especially given that. But ultimately it’s a hope.
Second the comment says he is prepared to go via the pre-season draft not that he wants to. Given he wants to go to the eagles I am sure he is “prepared” to get there via pick 1! it is not his concern nor should it be.
Last a third round pick is naturally between 37-54 so could be pick 38 that the eagles hold which is about fair value. I believe this will be the outcome and it will down dons early on.

 

[The Chad and I]

Ideal F/A and trade period:

Mackay - 6 years 4.5mil

WCE- pick 33, 38 and future 3rd - Brockman, DGB, Future 3rd
Hawks- Brockman, DGB, future 3rd - Hollands, 38, future 3rd
GCS- Hollands - 33

Hawks: Future 1st and 38
Dogs: Smith

Draft hand- 3, 29, 48

In: Mackay, Hollands, Smith, 38, future 3rd (WCE)
Out: Brockman, DGB, future 3rd, Future 1st

that's not bad tbh but Dogs won't accept it and we can just wait until next year to get Smith while keeping a F1.
DGB for Hollands is a pretty fair swap.