Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[Kuuz]

We had the best deal in front of him. Nothing eventuated.

His manager is a Bomber.

I think it's safe to say that they just wanted Essendon to raise their offer.

 

[Kuuz]

RE McKay

- still nothing in stone, so wait and see

- the reactions and whispers in this thread have bounced between different extremes so much in the last 24 hours, it's kinda funny

- if we land McKay, that definitely could help. But he's no finished article and definitely has question marks on his game. Moreover, we're not planning to win the whole thing next year - we just need a KPD in the next 2 or 3 to pop up ideally. We just square up for the next free agent and go again if need be. The selections end of next year look particularly interesting.

- so in essence, somewhat happy if we get Ben, but not overly miffed if we miss out either. He won't make or break this side's chances.

 

[Books]

Player managers have a huge influence on these decisions.

Does the AFL ever do audits on how many gifts are given from clubs to managers?

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

You have to respect the manager, getting the absolute best deal for his client

I knew there was more to the dangling of the carrot. Ramanauskas wants to get him to Essendon. Whole situation is turning farcical IMO. He's not coming for the right reasons if he does so I'm not losing any sleep over this. Holding the club to ransom. Dodo can have him just like he got Irving Mosquito. Turned out brilliantly for them.

 

[Fleabane]

We had the best deal in front of him. Nothing eventuated.

His manager is a Bomber.

I think it's safe to say that they just wanted Essendon to raise their offer.

Probably been mentioned here already but McKay's also an ex Bomber's fan.

 

[triple treat]

TylerDurden doesn't need to give a source.

TylerDurden didn’t need to write that Dons have won the race either! but he did, so it’s only natural that people are gonna ask how he knows!

 

[kirbatron]

heard his knee is worse than reported

 

[Flamin Joe]

I heard he often j-walks and enjoys pushing over old grannies.

Getting a little silly in here when we start repeating rumours to make ourselves feel a little better if we miss out.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Probably been mentioned here already but McKay's also an ex Bomber's fan.

Apparently mates with Ridley as well.

 

[CHUBBSS]

is Nash88 the kiss of death?

In all seriousness if we miss on Mckay it doesn’t matter, he milks the bombers and we move on, if he chooses us I hope his here to play footy. Don’t bring the norf dirt farmer mentality with you

 

[peetoo]

I think we start working on 2024 trade period now if we haven’t already and forget this one there’s not much to be had apart from the suns pick. None of the players linked are world beaters so we have another year of development find more mid time for Ward CMac and Frenchy and draft in Duursma McKercher McCabe and Jiath.

I’m with this. I’m only in on McKay if we do side deal with north to stitch up who drafts who

 

[peetoo]

Back in the day, that eesdn flog, Carlisle was shopping himself around and it was between us and Carlolton but from someone very close to him, I found out that all Jake wanted was a high payday! A few weeks later, the Saints paid up a wee bit more and after playing all three clubs off one and another, he chose saints in the end anyway. And as we know, how great his career panned out to be? Potato with good coin. Ben situation reminds me of that.

Was Bret Thornton one target once? No one understood why

Might as well rookie TOB if we need some grunt

 

[Yummy5454]

I do love when people judge footy players for trying to extract the most remuneration they can from clubs when those people would do the exact same thing if multiple employers were vying for their services. Clubs will put the best interests of the club before players also - why are players evil to do the same thing for themselves?

Agree with this general sentiment. I do however think this charade has gone on a bit long, especially considering the absurdity of the coin on offer.

You’d hope though that while money is a signifiant factor, it’s also very much about culture / system / winning. At HFC, we’re blessed that our players make sacrifices for each other and the group.

While I think McKay would be a great addition, I haven’t been totally enamoured with the way him and management have gone about this. Would prefer a lesser quality player that bleeds brown and gold.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Agree with this general sentiment. I do however think this charade has gone on a bit long, especially considering the absurdity of the coin on offer.

You’d hope though that while money is a signifiant factor, it’s also very much about culture / system / winning. At HFC, we’re blessed that our players make sacrifices for each other and the group.

While I think McKay would be a great addition, I haven’t been totally enamoured with the way him and management have gone about this. Would prefer a lesser quality player that bleeds brown and gold.

Thing is we honestly don’t know how McKay and his management are handling this. The press write about it daily to remain relevant and drive up engagement. It’s probably a very normal negotiation that gets ramped up because the otherwise unemployable AFL media have to talk about something to sell Continental tyres.

 

[TheHawkSource]

As for now - we have landed McKay. Things can change on a dime, but two different reputable sources are stating he's ours.

Additionally, in coming weeks or throughout the silly season, if you encounter stories regarding Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

Age

25

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

, just know we are interested - yes, a Perth boy, but uninterested in staying at WCE and wants out. This doesn't mean he will get to leave, given he's under contract and WCE would most likely never part with him, but if enough is dangled, I'm guessing it can be done, but would have to be a monstrous offer. Once again, just whispers, nothing set in stone, but he wants out and I am getting told he doesn't mind the Hawks, but we are legitimately trying here irrespective of how out of reach it is.

Kosi leaving is perfect. Get picks back for McCabe, it's all we need, even if it's a shitty pick. Wasn't in our next team pushing for finals.

In any case, our absolute best haul this year needs to have both McKay and Chol involved (including pick 4 attached to it).

If McKay does follow through, and Chol declares us, we need to probably dangle a decent pick in front of GCS, maybe in the form of that future 1st people have been mentioning.

This would give us: Pick 3, Pick 4, First Rounder Matched (McCabe), McKay (KD), Chol (KF, 2nd Ruck).

That is an almighty haul, one that is quite farfetched, but honestly not out of reach. Go well Mitchell & McKenzie.

Go Hawks.

 

[chopflop]

As for now - we have landed McKay. Things can change on a dime, but two different reputable sources are stating he's ours.

Additionally, in coming weeks or throughout the silly season, if you encounter stories regarding Oscar Allen, just know we are interested - yes, a Perth boy, but uninterested in staying at WCE and wants out. This doesn't mean he will get to leave, given he's under contract and WCE would most likely never part with him, but if enough is dangled, I'm guessing it can be done, but would have to be a monstrous offer. Once again, just whispers, nothing set in stone, but he wants out and I am getting told he doesn't mind the Hawks, but we are legitimately trying here irrespective of how out of reach it is.

Kosi leaving is perfect. Get picks back for McCabe, it's all we need, even if it's a shitty pick. Wasn't in our next team pushing for finals.

In any case, our absolute best haul this year needs to have both McKay and Chol involved (including pick 4 attached to it).

If McKay does follow through, and Chol declares us, we need to probably dangle a decent pick in front of GCS, maybe in the form of that future 1st people have been mentioning.

This would give us: Pick 3, Pick 4, First Rounder Matched (McCabe), McKay (KD), Chol (KF, 2nd Ruck).

That is an almighty haul, one that is quite farfetched, but honestly not out of reach. Go well Mitchell & McKenzie.

Go Hawks

Someone check the IP address.

#pooperscooper

 

[dermott]

I must admit I enjoy the speculation, rumour, innuendo and fake news associated with the AFL trade period. It is occasionally informative, often amusing and sometimes completely unhinged. However as is often pointed out negotiations are usually competitive and it astounds me that some people get triggered by the latest unsubstantiated social media speculation.
Just enjoy the ride and wait until the fat lady sings. Patience grasshoppers.
We will win some and lose some but life goes on.

 

[Yummy5454]

Thing is we honestly don’t know how McKay and his management are handling this. The press write about it daily to remain relevant and drive up engagement. It’s probably a very normal negotiation that gets ramped up because the otherwise unemployable AFL media have to talk about something to sell Continental tyres.

That’s valid and I respect that

But McKay could end any speculation with finally picking a club… of course, can’t fully blame him while the offers keep trending upwards…

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Someone check the IP address.

#pooperscooper

Too many paragraphs and correct spelling to be a scooper.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

That’s valid and I respect that

But McKay could end any speculation with finally picking a club… of course, can’t fully blame him while the offers keep trending upwards…

It’s also a huge decision if he has rival 5-7 year deals on the table on comparatively similar coin. Don’t blame a player going away and thinking which club culture suits him better, which list has better potential, did he prefer Sam, who he doesn’t know, to Scott who he does. The free agency period hasn’t even opened yet also.

 

[Stranglers]

Too many paragraphs and correct spelling to be a scooper.

#fakescooper

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

I like the new guy

 

[dermott]

Is TheHawkSource our saviour or just a very naughty boy?

 

[TheFourPillars]

TylerDurden didn’t need to write that Dons have won the race either! but he did, so it’s only natural that people are gonna ask how he knows!

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

As for now - we have landed McKay. Things can change on a dime, but two different reputable sources are stating he's ours.

Additionally, in coming weeks or throughout the silly season, if you encounter stories regarding Oscar Allen, just know we are interested - yes, a Perth boy, but uninterested in staying at WCE and wants out. This doesn't mean he will get to leave, given he's under contract and WCE would most likely never part with him, but if enough is dangled, I'm guessing it can be done, but would have to be a monstrous offer. Once again, just whispers, nothing set in stone, but he wants out and I am getting told he doesn't mind the Hawks, but we are legitimately trying here irrespective of how out of reach it is.

Kosi leaving is perfect. Get picks back for McCabe, it's all we need, even if it's a shitty pick. Wasn't in our next team pushing for finals.

In any case, our absolute best haul this year needs to have both McKay and Chol involved (including pick 4 attached to it).

If McKay does follow through, and Chol declares us, we need to probably dangle a decent pick in front of GCS, maybe in the form of that future 1st people have been mentioning.

This would give us: Pick 3, Pick 4, First Rounder Matched (McCabe), McKay (KD), Chol (KF, 2nd Ruck).

That is an almighty haul, one that is quite farfetched, but honestly not out of reach. Go well Mitchell & McKenzie.

Go Hawks.

ah the upswing....... love it