Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[Dewnior]

Pretty hard to leave at the end of 2023 when you’re contracted to the club until the end of 2024.

Didn't that spud Cam McCarthy try to do that a few years back?

 

[Howe Amazing]

I have never heard anything to suggest Day is leaving, lots of mates at the club and seems really happy. In my view wants to string games together to get a better deal, makes sense. DGB signed until next year and will come good. Two guys I reckon we should be trying to get across that won’t affect our picks too much and not getting games are Cumberland and Kemp. Outrageous the former at least is not playing 1s

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Rankine's output at GC wasn't exactly Pick 5 worthy. They coughed it up based on his potential.

Rankine put together a good second half to last season.

From round eight onwards (thirteen games) he:

• kicked 23.17
• had 13 goal assists (Moore had 14 for the season for reference)
• averaged 14.23 touches and 6.54 of those were score involvements

It would have been a better extended patch of form compared to anything Day has put together to date. Though that's also in part due to Day always getting injured.

Again, no one is paying up two firsts for Day based on what he's done so far. Even if he has a good season I don't see that happening, and I doubt we'd be interested in picks in the teens.

 

[Coach Killer]

The only issue is there is no alternate universe where any club ends up with 5, 6 or 7 first round draft picks.

Absolutely ridiculous

Have you read the title of the thread?

 

[tommyk72]

Not sure what it is in particular, but I think Watson would compliment our team maybe more than anyone else in the draft.
I really think we’re only four great players off completely turning the rebuild ship around.
A great specialist small forward - Watson (top 5 pick)
A Key position forward - King after next year? (The dream)
A game breaking MID - Trade / Draft
A great medium DEF who actually defends settling the back 6 so we don’t look baby gazelle like when the ball hits the deck - Maynard type.

DGB?

 

[RiverRiver]

DGB?

We need him to make it as a key back. And the type of player I’m talking about is to fix all the goal leaks from grubby ground level entries, stoppages and our headless chook handballing turn overs in the back 50.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Have you read the title of the thread?

Who knew that you’d take it quite literally.

 

[Coach Killer]

Who knew that you’d take it quite literally.

I noticed Cal Twomey suggested multiple clubs could offer 3 x 1st round picks for pick one (Harley Reid) in his most recent ‘gettable segment” - multiple clubs offered it for Horne Francis so it's not novel.

If Day leaves he’d certainly attract a minimum of 1 first round pick maybe 2 (or 1 and a second round pick)

So that makes 4 maybe 5 first round picks.

Target GWS (or other) for their first and that makes 5 etc. I think you posted somewhere that we should be exploring the GWS opportunity.

Not sure what's so ‘other worldly’ about my post.

 

[FB19]

I noticed Cal Twomey suggested multiple clubs could offer 3 x 1st round picks for pick one (Harley Reid) in his most recent ‘gettable segment” - multiple clubs offered it for Horne Francis so it's not novel.

If Day leaves he’d certainly attract a minimum of 1 first round pick maybe 2 (or 1 and a second round pick)

So that makes 4 maybe 5 first round picks.

Target GWS (or other) for their first and that makes 5 etc. I think you posted somewhere that we should be exploring the GWS opportunity.

Not sure what's so ‘other worldly’ about my post.

You were meant to take it figuratively CK. Your ideas here may not be everyone’s cup of tea but that is the point, I for one really enjoy them, keep them coming my friend. The more outlandish the better.

 

[PenAndPaper]

I noticed Cal Twomey suggested multiple clubs could offer 3 x 1st round picks for pick one (Harley Reid) in his most recent ‘gettable segment” - multiple clubs offered it for Horne Francis so it's not novel.

If Day leaves he’d certainly attract a minimum of 1 first round pick maybe 2 (or 1 and a second round pick)

So that makes 4 maybe 5 first round picks.

Target GWS (or other) for their first and that makes 5 etc. I think you posted somewhere that we should be exploring the GWS opportunity.

Not sure what's so ‘other worldly’ about my post.

You're essentially needing one team to have 2 firsts AND one other team to have 3 firsts in your situation.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I noticed Cal Twomey suggested multiple clubs could offer 3 x 1st round picks for pick one (Harley Reid) in his most recent ‘gettable segment” - multiple clubs offered it for Horne Francis so it's not novel.

If Day leaves he’d certainly attract a minimum of 1 first round pick maybe 2 (or 1 and a second round pick)

So that makes 4 maybe 5 first round picks.

Target GWS (or other) for their first and that makes 5 etc. I think you posted somewhere that we should be exploring the GWS opportunity.

Not sure what's so ‘other worldly’ about my post.

It’s almost literally zero chance of happening. You think clubs are just going to line up to give us first round picks? One after the other.

I wouldn’t have thought that would need to be explained, but oh well.

Now, before you point at the thread title, it’s a piss take. Again, I wouldn’t have thought that I needed to explain that, but for anyone who’s been here for any substantial time they would know that it’s poking fun at posters who get excited by dreaming up 6 club trades where Hawthorn give away little and clean up in return.

It’s not a literal invitation to come up something outlandish.

 

[HedgeFund]

Didn't that spud Cam McCarthy try to do that a few years back?

Yep - stood out the entire of 2016 because GWS wouldn’t trade him to Freo a year before his contract expired.

 

[PenAndPaper]

Didn't that spud Cam McCarthy try to do that a few years back?

What could have been with him. If only he had some determination and better attitude.

 

[HedgeFund]

I noticed Cal Twomey suggested multiple clubs could offer 3 x 1st round picks for pick one (Harley Reid) in his most recent ‘gettable segment” - multiple clubs offered it for Horne Francis so it's not novel.

If Day leaves he’d certainly attract a minimum of 1 first round pick maybe 2 (or 1 and a second round pick)

So that makes 4 maybe 5 first round picks.

Target GWS (or other) for their first and that makes 5 etc. I think you posted somewhere that we should be exploring the GWS opportunity.

Not sure what's so ‘other worldly’ about my post.

Day and DGB are not outperforming their respective draft positions / years.

If anything they’re slightly underperforming at this stage.

Current value for each would be roughly pick 15 - 30 in this years draft. So perhaps the second round pick of Adelaide and WCE respectively.

Neither are worth a current first rounder, let alone multiples. That’s just crazy talk.

 

[KermitJagger]

Day and DGB are not outperforming their respective draft positions / years.

If anything they’re slightly underperforming at this stage.

Current value for each would be roughly pick 15 - 30 in this years draft. So perhaps the second round pick of Adelaide and WCE respectively.

Neither are worth a current first rounder, let alone multiples. That’s just crazy talk.

Don't agree with Coach Killer but anyone in their right mind would take Day ahead of pretty much every other player taken at Pick 13 as far back as Cripps in 2013.

 

[Coach Killer]

It’s almost literally zero chance of happening. You think clubs are just going to line up to give us first round picks? One after the other.

It’s not a literal invitation to come up something outlandish.

I'm not alone (refer Twomey segment) thinking clubs will offer up 3 first rounders for pick 1 (Reid) and provided the evidence - it's real.

So is the situation/ opportunity with GWS that you brought to light. So there's 2 deals that we would be considering (IF) we finish last that could yield 4 first rounders - I don't think it's outlandish at all.

The ‘Day’ trade is hypothetical and no one on here wants it to be real. I'm just suggesting that (IF) it were to manifest there would be another first round pick involved but happy to concede it as outlandish.

 

[Coach Killer]

Day and DGB are not outperforming their respective draft positions / years.

If anything they’re slightly underperforming at this stage.

Current value for each would be roughly pick 15 - 30 in this years draft. So perhaps the second round pick of Adelaide and WCE respectively.

Neither are worth a current first rounder, let alone multiple. That’s just crazy talk.

So to put it another way, you're saying if Day decides to leave, pick 30 is what we should expect and that's not crazy talk?

 

[Judd2Sewell]

So to put it another way, you're saying if Day decides to leave, pick 30 is what we should expect and that's not crazy talk?

I don't believe the value has blown out that far, but Day ain't fetching us multiple firsts based on current output. No team would offer that up.

Both Day and DGB are worth more to us than what they'd fetch in a trade. The best result for us is if we stick with them and they, hopefully, develop into the players we believe they can become.

 

[Nugett]

So which over paid spud from Gold Coast and their first pick are getting?

 

[butlers hawks]

So which over paid spud from Gold Coast and their first pick are getting?

id guess Carlton might be in this position this year as well, guessing they will be desperate to keep DeKoning and their cap sheet by reports is very tight

 

[HedgeFund]

Don't agree with Coach Killer but anyone in their right mind would take Day ahead of pretty much every other player taken at Pick 13 as far back as Cripps in 2013.

That wasn’t what I said.

There’s plenty of players taken in the last 10 - 15 drafts after a #13 who have outperformed that player as well.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

If Day says no to the HFC to return home to SA what are we asking for?

 

[butlers hawks]

If Day says no to the HFC to return home to SA what are we asking for?

The Woolshed

 

[KermitJagger]

That wasn’t what I said.

There’s plenty of players taken in the last 10 - 15 drafts after a #13 who have outperformed that player as well.

Yeah, sure, but if you take Pick 13 as a representation of first round picks in that area (it's not, Pick 13 is actually historically 20%+ more successful from a games played POV than any other pick in the teens) then you see where your point falls down.

You're saying Day isn't worth a first rounder, I'd disagree because Day is the best case scenario of a player taken in that part of the draft.

 

[HedgeFund]

So to put it another way, you're saying if Day decides to leave, pick 30 is what we should expect and that's not crazy talk?

Incorrect.

A reasonable offer would be 15. A smart arse offer would probably be 30. We should consider the former and reject the latter.

Remember opposition clubs rarely value your player as highly as you do.

I note you haven’t argued similarly about DGB….?