Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[HolyRioli]

North didn’t really do that though. It was pick 1 + Horne for 2,3 and ports future first. Hard to decipher what the value of pick 1 is there but at best it’s probably more like pick 2 and a future first (around pick 10-12)

Better comparison would be the Eagles - started with pick 2, ended up with picks 8 @ 12.

Rioli was also traded away, and they got in a F2 and F3 from Port, so for easy of argument I'll treat these two as two separate transactions.

Without knowing how deep this draft is from a top-end of the draft perspective, I feel like you only do this if you've got two very clear targets at those two picks (as they did with Ginbey and Hewett). While noting pick 1 carries more value than pick 2 ... I wouldn't think it's significantly more (in a vacuum) unless someone is prepared to "overpay"

Gold Coast might be a good example of a club who would, as I'm sure they'd love a pick before Walter is bid on, who is tipped I believe for top 5?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

O’Halloran and their 1st round pick, thanks.

 

[HawthornHawk]

Better comparison would be the Eagles - started with pick 2, ended up with picks 8 @ 12.

I thought that was a really bad deal for the Eagles though

 

[HawthornHawk]

O’Halloran and their 1st round pick, thanks.

Hopefully we're not asleep at the wheel this time

 

[TheFourPillars]

Hopefully we're not asleep at the wheel this time

paging MM...

 

[FB19]

O’Halloran and their 1st round pick, thanks.

Surely that’s not a “shock” we knew they were paying 4 guys a mil each and Haynes makes 5. Whitfield or Haynes would be the dumps as mooted last year fine with either for the right price. Add suns first and we have a 2004 super draft history repeating!

 

[Hawk Vision]

How would we get the suns first rounder?

 

[spudmaster]

How would we get the suns first rounder?

Offer to take Dew's contract off their hands.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

O’Halloran and their 1st round pick, thanks.

We should be all over it. There was talk about this last season, so let's not miss out this time.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

How would we get the suns first rounder?

A complicated trade likely involving future picks and our second rounder (which me want to move on anyway on account of a McCabe bid).

I'm not sure what the talent in the 2024 draft looks like at the moment, but this draft seems to shaping up to be an excellent one.

If we could snag their pick and end up with two firsts, maybe at the expense of our 2023 and 2024 second rounders (plus a player or other picks?), then we have made out like bandits.

 

[Hawk Vision]

A complicated trade likely involving future picks and our second rounder (which me want to move on anyway on account of a McCabe bid).

I'm not sure what the talent in the 2024 draft looks like at the moment, but this draft seems to shaping up to be an excellent one.

If we could snag their pick and end up with two firsts, maybe at the expense of our 2023 and 2024 second rounders (plus a player or other picks?), then we have made out like bandits.

Yeah ok sounds like a bit of a long shot. If we did end up with Harley I’d want 3 top 10 picks for him to consider a trade. The guys a freak talent, can’t see a weakness. Apparently dominated training with the scum too.

 

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for Adelaide's First Round Pick

 

[theiaofseed]

O’Halloran and their 1st round pick, thanks.

Does shock have a new menaing I'm not aware of?

 

[Blackhawk42]

Will Day for Adelaide's First Round Pick

Sets the rebuild back further. Would rather keep Will.

Also, they'd argue he hasn't shown enough yet to be worth a first round selection.

If Daysy is adamant on leaving I'd hope Tom Doedee's name comes up in negotiations.

 

[HedgeFund]

Will Day for Adelaide's First Round Pick

What if Adelaide finish bottom 2?

 

[FB19]

Yeah ok sounds like a bit of a long shot. If we did end up with Harley I’d want 3 top 10 picks for him to consider a trade. The guys a freak talent, can’t see a weakness. Apparently dominated training with the scum too.

Yeah their 2023 need is to add late first or second round picks for their raft of academy players which is why I wanted to hold our second rounder we have for weddle. Anyway just means we need to fashion a way to get another decent pick in, likely via cap space or pick trading as I don’t immediately see a player that would net us a second that we would be willing to lose. Also I am far from convinced Bowes dump solved their short to medium term cap issues either (especially with young talent maturing), so hoping we are talking to them about that as well. 3 picks inside 10 would go a long way to solving our talent deficiencies with McCabe as well.

 

[HolyRioli]

I thought that was a really bad deal for the Eagles though

I disagree.

To use hawks drafted in similar areas, I’d rather Josh Ward + Will Day vs Harry Sheezel (the effective player taken at their pick) + some plodder, even if sheezel is the best of that lot

Twomey and Beveridge suggest clubs could offer 3 first rounders for pick 1 this year, nothing heading back the other way. If one of those is in the top 5, as phenomenal is Reid is, I’d probably want to take it.

We need quantity of quality at the moment

 

[FB19]

I disagree.

To use hawks drafted in similar areas, I’d rather Josh Ward + Will Day vs Harry Sheezel (the effective player taken at their pick) + some plodder, even if sheezel is the best of that lot

Twomey and Beveridge suggest clubs could offer 3 first rounders for pick 1 this year, nothing heading back the other way. If one of those is in the top 5, as phenomenal is Reid is, I’d probably want to take it.

We need quantity of quality at the moment

Are you sure???

 

[HolyRioli]

Are you sure???

Ha! Not at all. Maybe let’s say I’d be on board with either decision.

There’s probably only a handful of players in the past 20 years you could say are definitively worth more than 3 first round picks (for arguments sake, one of those picks is top 5, which would be my assumption here)

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

… I'd hope Tom Doedee's name comes up in negotiations.

Why? He’s a FA.

 

[play2win]

I disagree.

To use hawks drafted in similar areas, I’d rather Josh Ward + Will Day vs Harry Sheezel (the effective player taken at their pick) + some plodder, even if sheezel is the best of that lot

Twomey and Beveridge suggest clubs could offer 3 first rounders for pick 1 this year, nothing heading back the other way. If one of those is in the top 5, as phenomenal is Reid is, I’d probably want to take it.

We need quantity of quality at the moment

Well if the result was archer Reid, curtin and Watson instead of Harley Reid then that’d be fine.

 

[FB19]

Well if the result was archer Reid, curtin and Watson instead of Harley Reid then that’d be fine.

 

[chopflop]

Sets the rebuild back further. Would rather keep Will.

Also, they'd argue he hasn't shown enough yet to be worth a first round selection.

If Daysy is adamant on leaving I'd hope Tom Doedee's name comes up in negotiations.

TBH, I was just trolling a little bit. But if he does decide to leave, I am aiming for that top six pick

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I reckon we should wait until the backend of the season and the eventual spoon winner is locked in before spending too much time contemplating if we’d trade Pick 1.

 

[TheFourPillars]

Just remember...

We love our club and we play to win