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I saw it. Pretty happy I wasn't blind to it.
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But maybe the won't have another one for three years. I think its fine.
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Why would we get anywhere near Noir, surely he goes top ten? Also wdym by the knock on Moir as being similar to Henry?
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Maybe just me but there seems to be more defenders presenting in people's estimations than in previous years.
Gee whillickers, in the good old days, you didn't recruit a backman - you'd send a young forward down back or let someone else develop him and get him in later.
I get that post the mid-noughts the halfback line became a magnet for talented ball users with pace, marking ability and good decision making, but it still seems strange to me that kids specialise as backmen and get recruited from there - potentially to be moved in the middle later.
I would still be recruiting the next best mids to use on halfbacklines and pockets and the only KPPs I'd draft would be forwards. Cameron Ling was a forward. David Mundy was a forward. Brennan Cox was a forward. Your best players in juniors are mids and forwards. It makes sense.
But I am OLD and I no LONGER GIVE A ****.
Are they over rated, or do they just fall down the order because some recruiters don't like bidding on them because they know they won't get them?
I haven't actually looked into it but off the top of my head Gulden and Owens were rated higher than where they were eventually picked, but are now showing that the original rating was accurate, or even underrated.
edward powlett
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David Mundy was never a foward
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When Mundy first started with the Murray Bushrangers he was a midfielder. They had a surplus of midfielders so he agreed to play as a fullback. But as a junior he once kicked 14 goals in a game, playing as a forward.
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It has been a longstanding theory of mine that forwards are born, not made, while backmen are made and the best ones used to be forwards or mids.
It doesn't mean you are a shit footballer, but if you are tall and reasonably athletic, and need to develop in some way, your junior coaches will play you down back. You get taken to the ball. You can run in straight lines. Play unfolds in front of you.
But if you are tall and athletic and have nous and skills, you're a forward, baby.
For Seymour, Mundy was a forward. He actually went to the Bushrangers as a ruckman, which can happen to the reasonably tall in the junior ranks. Until they meet genuine ruckmen. He played fullback for them (and we drafted him as a fullback) but he was a forward. Learnt the caper as a forward, born a forward.
Pearce was a mid, in case you were wondering. Helps explain why he's better than most 2-metre dudes at ground ball.
It doesn't mean you are a shit footballer, but if you are tall and reasonably athletic, and need to develop in some way, your junior coaches will play you down back. You get taken to the ball. You can run in straight lines. Play unfolds in front of you.
But if you are tall and athletic and have nous and skills, you're a forward, baby.
For Seymour, Mundy was a forward. He actually went to the Bushrangers as a ruckman, which can happen to the reasonably tall in the junior ranks. Until they meet genuine ruckmen. He played fullback for them (and we drafted him as a fullback) but he was a forward. Learnt the caper as a forward, born a forward.
Pearce was a mid, in case you were wondering. Helps explain why he's better than most 2-metre dudes at ground ball.
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Dangerous statement in the current climate.
Previously I would have agreed, but this year he's looked like a baby giraffe on rollerskates every time there's a ground ball.
edward powlett
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Pearce had a growth spurt so when he played as a junior in Tassie he was not the key position height that he was drafted at .
No one gives a f#$k if a player kicks 14 goals in an under 12 s game.
Mundy was drafted as a Backman and became a midfielder.He was very inefective playing foward for us.
WA vs Vic Country.
WA lose a close one, coming back in the last quarter sparked by Lance Collard with an electric goal early running at the defence in the last quarter and 40m goal from the boundary by Daniel Curtin late on to almost snatch the game for WA.
Thostrup quiet.
Sanchez really good as well as glimpses of poise and neat skills from Aiden O’Driscoll.
If Freo could get hold of Collard from seeing that goal ……..Pure froth !!!!
WA lose a close one, coming back in the last quarter sparked by Lance Collard with an electric goal early running at the defence in the last quarter and 40m goal from the boundary by Daniel Curtin late on to almost snatch the game for WA.
Thostrup quiet.
Sanchez really good as well as glimpses of poise and neat skills from Aiden O’Driscoll.
If Freo could get hold of Collard from seeing that goal ……..Pure froth !!!!
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The eagles can’t match collard till after pick 40 so there is no reason at all he is not available to us if we rate him in that bracket.
No fan of the eagles at all but there so something broken in a system where one club, a finals contender, can match 3 players in the top 15 from their academy yet the eagles, possibly the worst side of all time, can’t match one in the top 40.
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The NGA system was never about new talent, it was about shutting up the likes of Eddie McGuire who recognised the academies for the Northern clubs would eventually be pumping out an extra 2nd or 1st round pick talent every year.
It's supposed to be equalisation. They are more equal than us.
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Still think the AFL have gone the wrong way with their convoluted rule changes every year regarding NGA, FS and northern academy bids.
Access to the player is the benefit, so instead of having “protected” zones of up to 20 or up to 40, just put a points tax on any bid match rather than a discount.
If a bid comes at pick 1 make the team matching the bid pay 3600 points (20% over) rather than 2400 (20% under) the pick value for all bid matches. This would make teams matching the bids think twice about doing it and thus make teams making the bid be sure that’s the player they want to take at their pick (as there’s a real chance the matching team don’t match if the bid come too high).
Open the NGA to be able to match any bid but pay the tax.
This would have evened up the FS production line that some teams have a massive advantage over (Pies, Bulldogs, Lions recently) as those team would have to find additional points to get the highly rated sons.
How about if another team drafts your NGA player, why doesn’t the team that picks them swaps the equivalent points to the team affected. Eg if player A is picked at 10 by team B and is the NGA player of team A who’s next pick is at pick 16, team B gives team A the difference between pick 10 and pick 16 (328 points -about pick 46) as compensation? This Or something similar for NGA picks taken under 40. Above 40 the NGA can match as normal
The NGA is almost irrelevant to any club outside of NSW and QLD.
All I want to see is every year one NGA or zone player to be able to be priority pick by the club that develops that zone or academy….
Give incentive to build zone and academy relationships that players will have a pathway to stay at the club where they started…
Fair enough give the northern clubs additional picks, but all clubs should have this opportunity
All I want to see is every year one NGA or zone player to be able to be priority pick by the club that develops that zone or academy….
Give incentive to build zone and academy relationships that players will have a pathway to stay at the club where they started…
Fair enough give the northern clubs additional picks, but all clubs should have this opportunity
I think teams should be able to match one NGA 20-40 with no discount.
Northern side should only get one first round academy match.
Northern side should only get one first round academy match.
No discounts and no going into deficit would’ve been a start.
Should’ve also brought in restrictions on how many picks can be used to match a bid or maybe how many picks can make up a very high percentage of points to match a bid (i.e. two picks make up 90% of points).
If the Bulldogs wanted Ugle-Hagan or Darcy they should’ve had to give up something significant to have enough points given they were a half decent team at the time.
I disagree, Walker has been a good get at 50+
He was a 20+. In the same year we couldnt match Motlop until 40+.
Yes but we still got him after 40.
Motlop doesn't look amazing so far anyway. Think the lack of speed holds him back a little.
