2023 young talent time

[Hazelsnuts]

I forgot we held an early second round pick this year, so maybe the draft isn't quite as irrelevant for us as I thought. So here's my top 30 for anyone interested...



I still have a lot of questions over this draft. Particularly around the KPPs - other than Jed Walter. I think it'll really open up once the picks are into the teens, which is probably good for us considering where our picks are.

One good thing is that I don't think it's a great draft for West Coast to be rebuilding in. I'm really not sure what I'd do if I was them. Maybe aim for Edwards and Curtin as talls, I wouldn't drop too far though - the next tier of WA guys probably aren't the types that you build a team around.

For us? I'd love Jack Delean as a genuine x factor small forward. I'd steal Lance Collard from West Coast too, although I do rank him higher than most. Riley Hardeman, Kolsytn Tholstrup and Clay Hall will all likely be around that mark too. And I wouldn't rule out Ashton Moir being available either.

Hey Chris,
With the amount of Tassie kids projected in your list there is a two fold consideration.
The Tassie Devils will come knocking with a priority signing list when they start up, would a club strategise short term 3 year use of the draftees- ie: would any of the kids on the list give potentially immediate impact - and then cash in the chips when Tassie start?
On the WA boys, if we could get a late first or upgrade a future second round again I would love us to get the jump on Collard…
Totally against selling our future 1st for 2024 - unless we fill all of our remaining needs this year - which I can’t see.
I would rather we save the first for trading in a WA gun that wants home - loved Chad Warner in his draft year and would see him as the bit arrogance and point of difference we need in the midfield in a couple of years time.

 

[Chris25]

How does Curtin 195cm midfielder compare to Curtin 195cm defender?

I don't really see it at the top level. He's a KPD in my opinion - the midfield showings just highlight that he'll be effective offensively too. Good enough athletically and big is fine at U18 level, not in an AFL midfield.

The Tassie Devils will come knocking with a priority signing list when they start up, would a club strategise short term 3 year use of the draftees- ie: would any of the kids on the list give potentially immediate impact - and then cash in the chips when Tassie start?

I'm sure they'll want Sanders and McKercher when they enter the league, but I don't think the returns would really be worth it. You'd have to use a top 10 pick on them, and realistically all you'd get back in 3 years would probably be what you paid for them. And there goes 3 years of development. Maybe if you could get someone like James Leake or Jack Callinan at a later pick, develop them well and sell for a profit...but if they do come good, you won't want to lose them.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I don't really see it at the top level. He's a KPD in my opinion - the midfield showings just highlight that he'll be effective offensively too. Good enough athletically and big is fine at U18 level, not in an AFL midfield.



I'm sure they'll want Sanders and McKercher when they enter the league, but I don't think the returns would really be worth it. You'd have to use a top 10 pick on them, and realistically all you'd get back in 3 years would probably be what you paid for them. And there goes 3 years of development. Maybe if you could get someone like James Leake or Jack Callinan at a later pick, develop them well and sell for a profit...but if they do come good, you won't want to lose them.

I'm interested to see how far the Tassie guys fall because I see basically no incentive to draft them knowing you'll almost certainly lose them. Consensus for those two seems to be top 10 so how far do they drop will be telling

 

[Chris25]

I'm interested to see how far the Tassie guys fall because I see basically no incentive to draft them knowing you'll almost certainly lose them. Consensus for those two seems to be top 10 so how far do they drop will be telling

Seems like something that'll become more talked about as we get closer to the draft.

I suspect some of the bigger Victorian sides will back themselves in to keep them, particularly if they do slide a bit. The lure of finals action would probably be key, so it might be the bottom ranked sides do prioritise others. If Sanders and McKercher do develop as hoped and want to go back to Tasmania, their wages will likely double overnight.

 

[DragoDelph]

Would be a good opportunity to get some more currency during the compromised drafts though, for trades or moving up the draft. Particularly if we feel most of the list is ready to contend.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Seems like something that'll become more talked about as we get closer to the draft.

I suspect some of the bigger Victorian sides will back themselves in to keep them, particularly if they do slide a bit. The lure of finals action would probably be key, so it might be the bottom ranked sides do prioritise others. If Sanders and McKercher do develop as hoped and want to go back to Tasmania, their wages will likely double overnight.

One thing with them is I imagine whoever drafts them will look to add 2 years onto their first contract immediately and that might be communicated pre draft even. I'm holding onto some hope we can get a bargain with one of these two somehow but I imagine they arent sliding passed 20 even with the Tassie thing

 

[Joao]

I forgot we held an early second round pick this year, so maybe the draft isn't quite as irrelevant for us as I thought. So here's my top 30 for anyone interested...



I still have a lot of questions over this draft. Particularly around the KPPs - other than Jed Walter. I think it'll really open up once the picks are into the teens, which is probably good for us considering where our picks are.

One good thing is that I don't think it's a great draft for West Coast to be rebuilding in. I'm really not sure what I'd do if I was them. Maybe aim for Edwards and Curtin as talls, I wouldn't drop too far though - the next tier of WA guys probably aren't the types that you build a team around.

For us? I'd love Jack Delean as a genuine x factor small forward. I'd steal Lance Collard from West Coast too, although I do rank him higher than most. Riley Hardeman, Kolsytn Tholstrup and Clay Hall will all likely be around that mark too. And I wouldn't rule out Ashton Moir being available either.

What are the knocks on Moir that have him potentially late first instead of the early first his talent seems to indicate? Is he a campaigner off the field or a bit soft on it?

 

[Chris25]

What are the knocks on Moir that have him potentially late first instead of the early first his talent seems to indicate? Is he a campaigner off the field or a bit soft on it?

He came into the season with high expectations and hasn’t quite reached them this year…yet. So his performances simply would dictate being picked later. But the talent is obviously there.

He was hampered by a hip complaint early in the season though and took a while to really get going. And playing in a bad side doesn’t help either.

For me, there’s a difference between being soft and just being an outside player…something the draft watchers who only see the Champs seem to forget. I wouldn’t want Moir at the bottom of every pack, he’s far too damaging in space for that. Let the less talented players go in and do that. He doesn’t hide from contact either though.

He can win a game off his own boot. Even if it’s just from a 5 minute burst up forward. Also showed some decent signs behind the ball with his skills and vision.

The knock? I guess the same as Liam Henry. Will he truly find a role? I think so.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

He came into the season with high expectations and hasn’t quite reached them this year…yet. So his performances simply would dictate being picked later. But the talent is obviously there.

He was hampered by a hip complaint early in the season though and took a while to really get going. And playing in a bad side doesn’t help either.

For me, there’s a difference between being soft and just being an outside player…something the draft watchers who only see the Champs seem to forget. I wouldn’t want Moir at the bottom of every pack, he’s far too damaging in space for that. Let the less talented players go in and do that. He doesn’t hide from contact either though.

He can win a game off his own boot. Even if it’s just from a 5 minute burst up forward. Also showed some decent signs behind the ball with his skills and vision.

The knock? I guess the same as Liam Henry. Will he truly find a role? I think so.

Isnt there a bit of an attitude thing there and while not soft, is seen as picking and choosing when to put in effort? Effort & attitude seems a non-negotiable in Walls picks?

 

[Chris25]

Isnt there a bit of an attitude thing there and while not soft, is seen as picking and choosing when to put in effort? Effort & attitude seems a non-negotiable in Walls picks?

I don’t like commenting on attitude because I don’t know these kids. It’s all just people inferring based on watching a broadcast.

He could just be playing his role within the side. And no doubt playing to his strengths.

Talent gets you to the top level, effort keeps you there. So I guess we’ll see in a few years time.

 

[Alfonz]

I forgot we held an early second round pick this year, so maybe the draft isn't quite as irrelevant for us as I thought. So here's my top 30 for anyone interested...



I still have a lot of questions over this draft. Particularly around the KPPs - other than Jed Walter. I think it'll really open up once the picks are into the teens, which is probably good for us considering where our picks are.

One good thing is that I don't think it's a great draft for West Coast to be rebuilding in. I'm really not sure what I'd do if I was them. Maybe aim for Edwards and Curtin as talls, I wouldn't drop too far though - the next tier of WA guys probably aren't the types that you build a team around.

For us? I'd love Jack Delean as a genuine x factor small forward. I'd steal Lance Collard from West Coast too, although I do rank him higher than most. Riley Hardeman, Kolsytn Tholstrup and Clay Hall will all likely be around that mark too. And I wouldn't rule out Ashton Moir being available either.

Would be happy with any of those players in your last paragraph. Surely a couple will still be available.

How tall is Lance Collard? You have him 180cm but the WAFL website says 185cm.

 

[DQ 4EVER]

Jed Walter looks like a phenomenon.
Charlie Curnow

30

Charlie Curnow

Age

27

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

like and he’s already as big as him. Eagles would have been thrilled to access him if he was in the open draft. It’s also kinda funny that’s he’s an Eagles fan
It’s beyond horseshit that Gold Coast get access to him coz of their silly academy.
3 academy guys in the top 12-15 heading to GC - farcical

So the poor kid isn't too bright
At least he can football

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[Dockeroo]

One thing with them is I imagine whoever drafts them will look to add 2 years onto their first contract immediately and that might be communicated pre draft even. I'm holding onto some hope we can get a bargain with one of these two somehow but I imagine they arent sliding passed 20 even with the Tassie thing

The only way I see it being possible is if we traded Henry to Melbourne or the Dogs if he finished the season well.
Henry & pick 21 for say, pick 13 and pick 55. Something like that could see one of those Tassie guys come into our range

 

[maccamk]

Is Edwards a bit overrated? He got beaten by the SA ruck last week before getting moved forward. The SA ruckman looked a better prospect. Great mark, average at best field kick, good kick on goal.


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[Big Flappy]

Id take Moir and back him in to thrive with the young core with a seemingly high work ethic culture

 

[Freo_4eva]

Moir would be some kind of dream.. but im hoping Delean drops to our early second somehow - exactly what our forward 6/7 needs.

 

[Dockeroo]

An interesting little draft nugget of info I only found out today on the AFL website that might be of interest to you draft nerds on here - apparently if the GC make the finals they can only match a max of 2 northern academy bids in the top 20 this year.
But if they miss finals they can match more than two bids.
As you probably know, there are 3 guys likely to be in the top 20 from GC academy this year (which is crazy)
Bastyy Ysaye Snuffaluphagus Joao Chris25

 

[Taylor]

An interesting little draft nugget of info I only found out today on the AFL website that might be of interest to you draft nerds on here - apparently if the GC make the finals they can only match a max of 2 northern academy bids in the top 20 this year.
But if they miss finals they can match more than two bids.
As you probably know, there are 3 guys likely to be in the top 20 from GC academy this year (which is crazy)
Bastyy Ysaye Snuffaluphagus Joao Chris25

That's unlucky for them. The difference between 8th and 9th for other teams isn't worth missing out on a finals experience but for them it could mean an extra top fifteen draft pick - potentially making them better next season and beyond too.

Thankfully there aren't too many quirks like that. Can you imagine if there was a priority pick threshold that if you've only won <20% of your games for the last five years you get another first round pick? That's four games a season, it's the threshold they had back with auto priority picks.

Now consider that WC have won 1/14 this season, 2/22 last season, 10/22 the year before.

If they went the rest of the year for one win it has them at 20.89%.
2024 with one or two wins and they are at 17.97%.
2025 with one or two wins and they are at 16.2%

Then 2026 comes around, the fifth year rolling average kicks in.

They can win 13 games, finish at 18.9%, play finals and get an extra first round pick.

I'm very happy there aren't automatic priority picks anymore.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

An interesting little draft nugget of info I only found out today on the AFL website that might be of interest to you draft nerds on here - apparently if the GC make the finals they can only match a max of 2 northern academy bids in the top 20 this year.
But if they miss finals they can match more than two bids.
As you probably know, there are 3 guys likely to be in the top 20 from GC academy this year (which is crazy)
Bastyy Ysaye Snuffaluphagus Joao Chris25

I saw that and I was like, pfft, as if anyone is ever getting 3 in the top 20, what a stupid ****ing rule...

 

[Jazny]

I don't really see it at the top level. He's a KPD in my opinion - the midfield showings just highlight that he'll be effective offensively too. Good enough athletically and big is fine at U18 level, not in an AFL midfield.



I'm sure they'll want Sanders and McKercher when they enter the league, but I don't think the returns would really be worth it. You'd have to use a top 10 pick on them, and realistically all you'd get back in 3 years would probably be what you paid for them. And there goes 3 years of development. Maybe if you could get someone like James Leake or Jack Callinan at a later pick, develop them well and sell for a profit...but if they do come good, you won't want to lose them.

Our decade of low draft numbers apart from 2014, 2018, and 2022 means there won't be a whole heap of Tasmanians who are on a list come the time we enter the competition, I think this means quite a few of our players slide. All our best players (apart from Tarryn Thomas) on a list now are 28 and older, and Weller is the only Tasmanian aged 24-27 on a list. I think our players sliding in drafts due to clubs knowing a Tassie team won't have a lot of homegrown players to choose from has already happened to some extent last year with Lachie Cowan who slid a little to pick 30 and in the end was chosen by a club he barracked for his whole life.

 

[Retzlaff]

How does Curtin 195cm midfielder compare to Curtin 195cm defender?

Our window would be covered if we had both

 

[Jazny]

I saw that and I was like, pfft, as if anyone is ever getting 3 in the top 20, what a stupid ******* rule...

It's a good rule, it incentivises Gold Coast to develop home grown players in a huge state that is not known for producing a lot of AFL players historically. If they get lucky every now and then, it's still worth it to the competition to have that talent being developed.

 

[Taylor]

Our window would be covered if we had both

The idea of having a player the size of a key defender, as in gorilla wrestling big, but with the tank of a midfielder is quite exciting. The reality is that unless they have Jackson level athleticism they will look like a key defender trying to win a stoppage against midfielders.

Our success over 2013 to 2015 was build with a midfield of giants. All of Sandilands, Fyfe, Mundy, Barlow and Crowley are huge.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

It's a good rule, it incentivises Gold Coast to develop home grown players in a huge state that is not known for producing a lot of AFL players historically. If they get lucky every now and then, it's still worth it to the competition to have that talent being developed.

Yeah I just would have gone further and made it one, pretty rare to have potentially three in there as they do this year

 

[Taylor]

There may be the usual over rating of academy players? A known name is noticed more after all.