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Joao said:
We don't need a big bodied mid. Johnson, Erasmus are 190+. Jackson plays time, NoD was a mid (187) as a junior and even Chapman and/or Young could end up in there.

Our midfield lacks speed and goal kicking, that's what we should target.
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I agree, but such a player will often be a bigger bodied player. They have the power and brute force to burst into space, and also to take marks to give them more goal kicking options. Danger, Dusty, Petracca, De Goey, Rayner, Bont.

Bolton and Bailey are the only small mids I can think of that are regular goal kickers. Either would be perfect, but the likelihood is that goal kicking mid you want will still be a biggish player.

A Rozee type of player is in between those players above. On pure speed he would be with the smaller guys (a notch faster than the bigger guys listed). Not a brute like the others, but decent height and great leap. If I could clone one player and stick them in our side, it might be him.

Problem is the players above are largely top 5 (even pick 1) sort of picks, either at the time or with hindsight. Good luck finding one at 21. Moir? Tholstrup?
 
wakojako said:
For centre clearences yes I don't think it's as valuable around the ground. No good team will allow a mid to sprint unchecked through a stoppage. Speed is more useful in open space and outside the stoppage. Again if your gameplan is good enough than this becomes a non-issue.
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I swear you've never watched footy (or almost any sport) if you think being fast isn't a significant, continuous advantage all over the ground.
Alfonz said:
I agree, but such a player will often be a bigger bodied player. They have the power and brute force to burst into space, and also to take marks to give them more goal kicking options. Danger, Dusty, Petracca, De Goey, Rayner, Bont.

Bolton and Bailey are the only small mids I can think of that are regular goal kickers. Either would be perfect, but the likelihood is that goal kicking mid you want will still be a biggish player.

A Rozee type of player is in between those players above. On pure speed he would be with the smaller guys (a notch faster than the bigger guys listed). Not a brute like the others, but decent height and great leap. If I could clone one player and stick them in our side, it might be him.

Problem is the players above are largely top 5 (even pick 1) sort of picks, either at the time or with hindsight. Good luck finding one at 21. Moir? Tholstrup?
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Yes, this was the basis of my argument against Jackson. Not so much that Jackson isn't going to be a good/very good player, more that we lacked a gamebreaker. Hopefully Jackson becomes that.

The other options is we're just as **** next year and can actually use our top 5 pick on such a player.
 

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Taylor said:
It puts him right in the frame with our other small forwards who end up rolling through the middle of the ground. He has more speed than any of them though.
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If you want a fast forward that roates through the midfield than Tholstrup is your guy.
 
Joao said:
I swear you've never watched footy (or almost any sport) if you think being fast isn't a significant, continuous advantage all over the ground.

Yes, this was the basis of my argument against Jackson. Not so much that Jackson isn't going to be a good/very good player, more that we lacked a gamebreaker. Hopefully Jackson becomes that.

The other options is we're just as **** next year and can actually use our top 5 pick on such a player.
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My argument is that speed outside the contest is more important than speed inside the contest. If my statement is true than your gameplan should be to utilise the speed of other players, not just the mids.
 
wakojako said:
My argument is that speed outside the contest is more important than speed inside the contest. If my statement is true than your gameplan should be to utilise the speed of other players, not just the mids.
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If you're inside the contest and can get outside of it faster, that's an obvious advantage. See Rozee for a brilliant example of it.
 
Joao said:
If you're inside the contest and can get outside of it faster, that's an obvious advantage. See Rozee for a brilliant example of it.
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Chris Judd built a game on it. As has Patrick Dangerfield. Both are burst out of the congestion sorts.

Gary Ablett Jnr to a lesser degree.

This is why I think Nathan O'Driscoll should be played at the stoppage. He has the size to not get pushed off the ball and can fly along.
 
Taylor said:
Chris Judd built a game on it. As has Patrick Dangerfield. Both are burst out of the congestion sorts.

Gary Ablett Jnr to a lesser degree.

This is why I think Nathan O'Driscoll should be played at the stoppage. He has the size to not get pushed off the ball and can fly along.
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Yes so it's not as common or utilised as people think and requires elite talent. I agree NOD would be good in there.
 
wakojako said:
Yes so it's not as common or utilised as people think and requires elite talent. I agree NOD would be good in there.
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Issue in the way would be how clean his hands are, a fumble and then running off without it is arguably worse than not being able to clear the ball
 
Taylor said:
Issue in the way would be how clean his hands are, a fumble and then running off without it is arguably worse than not being able to clear the ball
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Too early to tell but Stanley is a good size and could potentially be rotated through there as well.

I still think speed inside stoppages is more of a want than a need. Look how much speed we have in the backline that isn't being utilized.
 
wakojako said:
Too early to tell but Stanley is a good size and could potentially be rotated through there as well.

I still think speed inside stoppages is more of a want than a need. Look how much speed we have in the backline that isn't being utilized.
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I think that is because Alex Pearce isn't being used as a marking target out of defense. It's clear why, he is down on confidence kicking, really worried getting it to boot and for reasons not fit for public consumption that isn't going to be fixed this season.

Assuming he can spend the off-season practicing the 20 to 30m flat kick and come into the 2024 season being used for the kick out from the square then our defenders can set up slightly shallower than him for the handball or quick kick into the corridor.

Having the marking power of Cox and Pearce for our defenders to kick to will move the ball better and more reliably, meaning our fast smalls can cheat off their men more and overlap run.

Same effect if Jackson, Darcy, Treacy, Taberner, Amiss etc start talking bulk marks up the field, the small defenders will overlap run then.

A small forward with speed will make us look amazing, kick 30 goals in the first year running back to goal but it will be off the talls marking.
 
Taylor said:
I think that is because Alex Pearce isn't being used as a marking target out of defense. It's clear why, he is down on confidence kicking, really worried getting it to boot and for reasons not fit for public consumption that isn't going to be fixed this season.

Assuming he can spend the off-season practicing the 20 to 30m flat kick and come into the 2024 season being used for the kick out from the square then our defenders can set up slightly shallower than him for the handball or quick kick into the corridor.

Having the marking power of Cox and Pearce for our defenders to kick to will move the ball better and more reliably, meaning our fast smalls can cheat off their men more and overlap run.

Same effect if Jackson, Darcy, Treacy, Taberner, Amiss etc start talking bulk marks up the field, the small defenders will overlap run then.

A small forward with speed will make us look amazing, kick 30 goals in the first year running back to goal but it will be off the talls marking.
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Do you mean he is injured and they are injecting the foot which means he hasn't got feeling?

Will he get that back with his history of foot and lower leg injuries?
 

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2005 DOB players in 2023 WAFL Colts/PSA After Round 14
Leading Draft/State 18's Contenders

1-Daniel Curtin (CL)
2-Mitchell Edwards (PT)
3-Clay Hall (PT)
4-Koltyn Tholstrup (S)
5-Riley Hardeman (SD)
6-Koen Sanchez (EF)
7-Coen Livingstone (P)
8-Aiden O'Driscoll (P/PSA)
9-Presley Campbell (EF/PSA)
10-Lance Collard (S)
11-Reece Torrent (PT)
12-Oscar Dees (S/PSA)
13-Xavier Walsh (EP)
14-Bailey Harbour (EP)
15-Jacob Whan (SF)
16-Sam Van Rooyen (CL)
17-Luke Kelly (SD)
18-Bailey.Banfield (CL/PSA)
19-Kai Dehavilland (CL)
20-Zane Zakostelsky (CL)
21-Sullivan Moody (CL/PSA)
22-Lucas Kemp (EP)
23-Joe Matthews (CL)
24-Luker Kentfield (S)
25-Tyler Senge (S)
26-Ashton Ferreira (SF)
27-Evan Smith (SD)
28-Mitchell Williams (EP/Inj)
29-Ethan Logan (PT)
30-Jack Eastaugh (EF)
31-Kobe Austin (EF)
32-Kieren Douglas (S)
33-Elijah Scoble (P)
34-Max York (SD/PSA)
35-Tyler Lindberg (EP)
36-Mitchell Keene (P/PSA)
37-Jack Cocking (EF)
38-Lachlan O'Keefe (S)
39-Jett Sibosado (CL/PSA)
40-Odin Jones (WP/Inj)
41-Jack Saunders (SD)
42-Austin Crofts (WP)
43-Zac Petersen (EF)
44-Nic Langsford (CL/PSA)
45-Eli Alexander (WP)
46-Dante Wiseman (EF)
47-Tama Oakley (SF)
48-Clayton Wood (EF)
49-Aiden Riddle (CL/PSA)
50-Jett O'Rourke (EP)

Others to keep an eye on: Nash Haeusler (P/PSA), Judd Kelman (S), Adam De Masi (EP/PSA), Brody Delaney (EP), Cuba Garlett (S), Oliver Sills (SD/PSA), Noah Murray (P), Abdul Pickett (SF), Noah Cachard (P)
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apuchar said:
18-Bailey.Banfield (CL/PSA)
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I'm sorry, what? There's another one?
 

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