Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[George Kramer]

What a load of crap so the coach is meant to know the contract status of every player on the list Gtfoh thats the list managers job fmd i read some crap on here but that takes the cake .Simple fact is should smith still be there probably not but he is end of story

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Were you in such a froth to respond that you didn’t think comprehension was important?

As for crap, are you seriously trying to say the senior coach of a football team wouldn’t know the contract status of his senior players?

And it doesn’t have to be the end of the story, there’s options.

 

[George Kramer]

Not really, we don't have the pick

It’s bonkers as we’ve got ourselves in this position and it’s bonkers we are doing nothing to get ourselves out of it, so yeah it’s bonkers.

 

[Amacca 23]

Were you in such a froth to respond that you didn’t think comprehension was important?

As for crap, are you seriously trying to say the senior coach of a football team wouldn’t know the contract status of his senior players?

And it doesn’t have to be the end of the story, there’s options.

Its not his job to know this ..... its the list managers and as for a list spot for a pick 60+ that could also only play 10 games
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[jackster83]

Its not his job to know this ..... its the list managers

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The Head of Football should be all over this.

He also sits on the selection committee.

 

[Crow till I die]

It’s bonkers as we’ve got ourselves in this position and it’s bonkers we are doing nothing to get ourselves out of it, so yeah it’s bonkers.

Bold sides would come up with a remedy to this. I am not knocking our trade period, we have brought in 3 players that add to our list in areas of need - big tick. BUT, the obvious thing was to not resign certain players so early and we would have had that coveted list spot for another crack at this draft...

 

[hugecannon]

Yeah I get that but it shows you need to plan better and be flexible

There could have been other players delisted we were keen on or imagine Dodson gettint to 40 and we can’t trade in to get him

Even having a list spot open and train on players competing for it would make more sense if we didn’t use it in draft

Imagine how much fun and exciting the draft could be with live trading and/or delisting of players!!!!!

With pick 45, the Adelaide crows have delisted Chris Burgess and traded Sam Berry for the draft rights to Alex Dodson!!

Would be an absolute ball tearer of a night!

 

[Draft Bored]

Bold sides would come up with a remedy to this. I am not knocking our trade period, we have brought in 3 players that add to our list in areas of need - big tick. BUT, the obvious thing was to not resign certain players so early and we would have had that coveted list spot for another crack at this draft...

Borlase extension, Berry signing and Smith trigger were all avoidable. But to have a pick worth using we'd have to slide our 2025 first and that's not a popular idea, or split our 2024 first which is even less popular.

Nobody is trading a future third for something of value in this draft.

I feel like maybe the play was trying to shop Berry around for a second rounder and if that had worked we'd have pulled the trigger and taken someone in the second round. Nobody was keen.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Oh cmon, that’s some mental gymnastics going on there.

On one hand you’re saying Nicks picks the best team and now you’re saying if Reid told him he wouldn’t have.

Further you’re saying Reid clearly didn’t tell him, you’ve got no idea if that’s the case or not and if Nicks went with “nah I select the side and I’m picking my best team”, which is what you’ve said is Nicks basis for picking the team.

Nicks would have known full well about the trigger and chose to play an experienced player who was finished, got him to the trigger and then dropped him. This is 100% on him.

Let’s have a look at the Clurey comments, he said it was Hinkley who told him he wouldn’t get picked, has Nicks had the same conversation with Smith now? Bit hard to do after you’ve stupidly gone public and said Smith was a big part of the future.

Facts are besides Nicks cocky persona, he has poor judgement and there have been many examples of this, this is just another but it’s cost us a list spot and potentially a 10 year player.

I mean, we’re both clearly making assumptions here. You have no idea either way if it was or wasn’t Nicks’ intentions to get Smith to his trigger

If anything, Nicks saying the ‘big part of our future’ stuff showed that he clearly did (stupidly) rate what he brought, up to a point

I’m just believing what I see is the most plausible scenario. Agree to disagree

 

[Danger in Texas]

Borlase extension, Berry signing and Smith trigger were all avoidable. But to have a pick worth using we'd have to slide our 2025 first and that's not a popular idea, or split our 2024 first which is even less popular.

Nobody is trading a future third for something of value in this draft.

I feel like maybe the play was trying to shop Berry around for a second rounder and if that had worked we'd have pulled the trigger and taken someone in the second round. Nobody was keen.

I still feel like an open list spot would have more potential value than Berry would have

Fair enough if no-one was keen, but 1) leave the re-signing until after the trade period, and 2) offer him one year

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I mean, we’re both clearly making assumptions here. You have no idea either way if it was or wasn’t Nicks’ intentions to get Smith to his trigger

If anything, Nicks saying the ‘big part of our future’ stuff showed that he clearly did (stupidly) rate what he brought, up to a point

I’m just believing what I see is the most plausible scenario. Agree to disagree

I’m just not sure during the pressures of week to week that Reidy reminds Nicksy of the smith trigger

Maybe earlier he knows but he’s not consciously thinking about it all that time

Maybe the communication should be better though to avoid these sorts of things

Reidy ‘ is Brodie making a difference to the side , do we need to continue to pick him when we have others in wings for that role ‘

Nicksy ‘ yeah … he’s a big part of our future ‘

Reidy ‘ haha… ok ‘

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I’m just not sure during the pressures of week to week that Reidy reminds Nicksy of the smith trigger

Maybe earlier he knows but he’s not consciously thinking about it all that time

Maybe the communication should be better though to avoid these sorts of things

Reidy ‘ is Brodie making a difference to the side , do we need to continue to pick him when we have others in wings for that role ‘

Nicksy ‘ yeah … he’s a big part of our future ‘

Reidy ‘ haha… ok ‘

Smithy should have looked at a 2-year deal with NM or WC . I'm sure he still has thing to other and they would have taken him. Maybe Richmond.

 

[Executive Landlord]

Oh cmon, that’s some mental gymnastics going on there.

On one hand you’re saying Nicks picks the best team and now you’re saying if Reid told him he wouldn’t have.

Further you’re saying Reid clearly didn’t tell him, you’ve got no idea if that’s the case or not and if Nicks went with “nah I select the side and I’m picking my best team”, which is what you’ve said is Nicks basis for picking the team.

Nicks would have known full well about the trigger and chose to play an experienced player who was finished, got him to the trigger and then dropped him. This is 100% on him.

Let’s have a look at the Clurey comments, he said it was Hinkley who told him he wouldn’t get picked, has Nicks had the same conversation with Smith now? Bit hard to do after you’ve stupidly gone public and said Smith was a big part of the future.

Facts are besides Nicks cocky persona, he has poor judgement and there have been many examples of this, this is just another but it’s cost us a list spot and potentially a 10 year player.

To suggest the opposite that our list manager and coach don't talk about things like games triggers would be so incompetent that it's borderline worse

 

[Vader]

I mean, we’re both clearly making assumptions here. You have no idea either way if it was or wasn’t Nicks’ intentions to get Smith to his trigger

If anything, Nicks saying the ‘big part of our future’ stuff showed that he clearly did (stupidly) rate what he brought, up to a point

I’m just believing what I see is the most plausible scenario. Agree to disagree

I know he said that - but I don't for one second think he believed it.

What coaches say to the general public, and what they say to the team behind closed doors, are two VERY different things. Anyone who watched that Netflix documentary on the AFL COVID season knows just how diametrically opposed some statements are.

That statement was about Nicks showing public support for one of his players - nothing more, nothing less.

Nicks' actions, in dropping Smith back to the SANFL very shortly thereafter, show how he really felt about Smith's performances. As with all AFL coaches - look at his actions, not his words.

I honestly don't understand why people keep quoting this statement, as if it actually meant anything, or was honestly believed by Nicks at the time. The fact that it's quoted so often speaks volumes about the stupidity of some supporters, and says nothing whatsoever about Nicks' thought processes.

 

[George Kramer]

Its not his job to know this ..... its the list managers and as for a list spot for a pick 60+ that could also only play 10 games
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We had pick 45. Those 10 games will be more than Smith will play next year.

Question for you, did you know that Smith had a trigger in his contract this year? It was reported on the news, it was mentioned here, but you’re claiming the head coach wouldn’t know.

Oh Macca.

 

[1970crow]

Reid would’ve communicated to Nicks if he didn’t want Smith on the list, and should have - but because he clearly didn’t, Nicks kept playing him

Out of sight, out of mind and all that

There are 4 key people on the List Management committee, Roo (chair), Reid, Nicks & Kelly. If you're suggesting that there was no common knowledge that Smith was in his last year and had x amount of games to hit a trigger, then you're living on another planet. There was even a newspaper article quoting his manager saying that he was near hitting a trigger.

 

[George Kramer]

I mean, we’re both clearly making assumptions here. You have no idea either way if it was or wasn’t Nicks’ intentions to get Smith to his trigger

If anything, Nicks saying the ‘big part of our future’ stuff showed that he clearly did (stupidly) rate what he brought, up to a point

I’m just believing what I see is the most plausible scenario. Agree to disagree

I’m not saying Nicks intention was to get Smith to his trigger. I’m saying his continued selection got him there and I’m saying continually selecting a player when out of form, knowing that it means he’s going to hit his trigger and then realising after the fact that his form didn’t warrant selection, is beyond dumb, but not beyond Nicks clearly.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

It’s bonkers as we’ve got ourselves in this position and it’s bonkers we are doing nothing to get ourselves out of it, so yeah it’s bonkers.

And we don’t have the pick because there’s no point because we haven’t got a list spot

If Dodson was there we could easily trade picks in to draft him but we’ve cut off all options

 

[George Kramer]

And we don’t have the pick because there’s no point because we haven’t got a list spot

If Dodson was there we could easily trade picks in to draft him but we’ve cut off all options

I can’t believe we’ve done it and there hasn’t been more commentary, but I can believe that we’d have some posters trying to defend the club.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I’m not saying Nicks intention was to get Smith to his trigger. I’m saying his continued selection got him there and I’m saying continually selecting a player when out of form, knowing that it means he’s going to hit his trigger and then realising after the fact that his form didn’t warrant selection, is beyond dumb, but not beyond Nicks clearly.

Well we can certainly agree that he should’ve been dropped way earlier than he was. I’m just not sure he actually had the trigger in mind when considering his selection

 

[George Kramer]

Well we can certainly agree that he should’ve been dropped way earlier than he was. I’m just not sure he actually had the trigger in mind when considering his selection

Because he’s an idiot.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Because he’s an idiot.

Never said he wasn’t haha

 

[1990crow]

When are these mandatory delistings happening?

 

[1990crow]

Kuwarna to nominate Welsh

His father Scott played 129 games and kicked 270 goals for the Club from 2000 to 2007

www.afc.com.au

Officially nominated Tyler.

 

[Danger in Texas]

When are these mandatory delistings happening?

We just announced Welsh right on the dot of 3:30 (VIC time), delistings might come at 4

 

[1970crow]

What a load of crap so the coach is meant to know the contract status of every player on the list Gtfoh thats the list managers job fmd i read some crap on here but that takes the cake .Simple fact is should smith still be there probably not but he is end of story

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So you don't think 1 of the 4 key people on the list management committee would know when a senior player is out of contract and whether there's a trigger in his contract?