Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[Kane McGoodwin]

Interesting looking at the top end midfielders "CEILING" and "DISPOSAL" as adjudged by Rookie Me

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In Alphabetical Order.

CEILING - DISPOSAL

Bo Allan - ELITE - AVERAGE
Levi Ashcroft - ELITE - ABOVE AVERAGE
Sid Draper - ELITE - AVERAGE
Sam Lalor - ELITE - ABOVE AVERAGE
Harvey Langford - ABOVE AVERAGE - AVERAGE
Xavier Lindsay - ABOVE AVERAGE - ELITE
Leo Lombard - ABOVE AVERAGE - AVERAFE
Finn O'Sullivan - ELITE - AVERAGE
Murphy Reid - ABOVE AVERAGE - ELITE
Josh Smillie - ELITE - ABOVE AVERAGE
Jagga Smith - ELITE - ABOVE AVERAGE

Hopefully our recruitment team take notice that Langford is rated lower than those we should be targeting.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Or North may end up just taking Tauru with their pick 2 if they are desperate to get him and they can't find any takers for their trade. That then leaves another option for us to take at 4.

Reckon they trade pick 2 to Richmond & take him at pick 6.

Makes sense for them to slide given they are not targeting midfielders as a priority.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Silvers is on record that the Crows will take the best midfielder at pick #4. We will not be targeting pick #2 nor sliding our pick.

Common sense prevails... hopefully.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

What a silly thing to say. You draft nerds get awfully uppity.

I am not saying there is a guy like that nor have I suggest any knowledge of these players.

My point remains that if the recruiters you pay a shitload of money to - truly believe that there is a generational talent at pick 2, then to offer pick 4 and a future first to get him -is a small price to pay.

Now whether I trust our recruiters to make the correct decision - is a whole other story.

We have been a part of a trade just like this in 2019. With the benefit of hindsight we won the trade with GWS where we traded pick 4 to the Giants for pick 6 and a F1. Picks 4 & 5 ended up being Lachlan Ash & Dylan Stephens. (We then flubbed it by taking McAsey instead of Serong).

So you’re saying trade our future 1st if there’s a complete standout player but then on the other hand don’t as our recruiters likely won’t get it right anyway

= let’s just stay at 4 and take the remaining gun , almost a blessing that Hamish doesn’t get the choice but gets to take the one remaining IMO

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Not only where talent is even.

i think you’d pick a slightly lesser talent with huge will to win over a slightly more talented but flaky player.

Having said that, I’m not sure interviews are the best way to work that out. Ppl can speak very convincingly in interviews and actually behave very differently.

It’s more than interviews , the recruiters get to know the kids and families over course of 2-4 years these days ( unless they a late Bolter )

 

[PeterSalt]

So you’re saying trade our future 1st if there’s a complete standout player but then on the other hand don’t as our recruiters likely won’t get it right anyway

= let’s just stay at 4 and take the remaining gun , almost a blessing that Hamish doesn’t get the choice but gets to take the one remaining IMO

Out of curiosity, what is moving 2 places up the order for 4 to 2 legitimately worth (in general, not specifically this draft)?

 

[Cromulant]

Out of curiosity, what is moving 2 places up the order for 4 to 2 legitimately worth (in general, not specifically this draft)?

More in currency than it is in player ability/performance.

If we are DESPERATE to land a player, more likely Draper, I think we would have done it already.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Out of curiosity, what is moving 2 places up the order for 4 to 2 legitimately worth (in general, not specifically this draft)?

Really depends on the club doing the deal

I wouldn’t say future 1st as if a club was willing to pay that ( a bottom 6 club mind you ) then I don’t see the club with pick 2 wanting to miss out on that player as they must be really standout

Of course it could happen but it’s a silly risk for a club like us

Future 2nd maybe but we don’t have one

 

[BRL121]

Reckon they trade pick 2 to Richmond & take him at pick 6.

Makes sense for them to slide given they are not targeting midfielders as a priority.

Richmond are out.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Richmond are out.

That makes things interesting....

 

[BRL121]

That makes things interesting....

I think that was the impetus for this ridiculous suggestion by Twomey, somewhat half-hearted.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think that was the impetus for this ridiculous suggestion by Twomey, somewhat half-hearted.

Not so many takers for the Roos then... as they don't want to slide much our miss out on their target.

Perhaps Essendon with their pick 5 could be an option to slide 3 spots by throwing in their future 2nd.

Edit- Jeff pointed out Dees have pick 5.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I got a feeling kangas might just take Tauru at pick 2 , Lalor the only other possibility for them if they stay there at 2

Richmond tossing up Lalor or Draper

Carlton tossing up FOS or Draper

Crows maybe get the choice of one of Lalor , Draper , Smith , Langford ( unlikely Lalor is there )

I think that’s the 4 we’d have in order and it’s just a matter of the order and who is there at the pick

Maybe the trade up to pick 2 guys on this thread are right and we are a chance to push up to 2 if Lalor is there , lots of recruiters have Lalor at 1 due to ceiling

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I got a feeling kangas might just take Tauru at pick 2 , Lalor the only other possibility for them if they stay there at 2

Richmond tossing up Lalor or Draper

Carlton tossing up FOS or Draper

Crows maybe get the choice of one of Lalor , Draper , Smith , Langford ( unlikely Lalor is there )

I think that’s the 4 we’d have in order and it’s just a matter of the order and who is there at the pick

Maybe the trade up to pick 2 guys on this thread are right and we are a chance to push up to 2 if Lalor is there , lots of recruiters have Lalor at 1 due to ceiling

If Roos take Tauru at #2, reckon Draper makes it to #4.

 

[Betts are off]

You would think they should be joined at the hip. Its inevetibaly a club decision.

Are you telling me if you had pick 4 in the 2014 national draft (McCartin, Petracca, Brayshaw, Pickett) you wouldn't give up pick 4 and a future 1st to grab Petracca at 2?

It being a club decision doesn't mean the list manager and head recruitor are joined at the hip. In fact I would imagine quite the opposite in terms of decisions made at this time of the year.

And in that scenario Melbourne would almost certainly not execute that trade IMO. But the same trade this year, North would jump at and run out screaming START THE CAR!

I know I would if it was in reverse

 

[Mutineer]

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If Roos take Tauru at #2, reckon Draper makes it to #4.

Still reckon he’s firmly in mix for Richmond and Carlton but prob boths 2nd choice

I like him but I also like smith ALOT and Lalor even more and Langford quite a bit

Can’t really go wrong with any of those

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Hopefully our recruitment team take notice that Langford is rated lower than those we should be targeting.

There’s no way I’d have drapers disposal equal of Langford , that’s a miss by them

Accuracy is close , Langford ahead though

Penetration isn’t in same stratosphere hence Langford highest metres gained and no 1 score involvement player in champs

 

[WeeBlake]

Still reckon he’s firmly in mix for Richmond and Carlton but prob boths 2nd choice

I like him but I also like smith ALOT and Lalor even more and Langford quite a bit

Can’t really go wrong with any of those

They all have their appeal, hard to be cranky if we get one of them

 

[bigman]

Not so many takers for the Roos then... as they don't want to slide much our miss out on their target.

Perhaps Essendon with their pick 5 could be an option to slide 3 spots by throwing in their future 2nd.

Pick 5 is the dees and from memory they gave up their first next year for Essendon’s 9? Meaning they can’t trade a future second.

Hence why if Richmond don’t want to budge on 6 and saints are content at 7/8 there’s not many options for the Roos.

I wouldn’t do it unless it involved our future thirds. At a stretch, maybe sliding down our future first with another club such as the giants (eg f1 for giants future first and 21, give 21 to the Roos alongside 4 for 2). Even that might be overs but if we rise a bit and they fall a bit (which is possible) it’s not terrible. I would only do it for a player who won’t be at 4 and that would likely only be Lalor and O’Sullivan.

If it’s for Draper, smith or Langford I’d rather we just hold our pick assuming north are taking tauru anyway. In that situation at least two of those, maybe all three, will be available to choose from. Even if they take a mid we still have our choice of two.

The only ‘danger’ is north finding a suitor for 2 that would take a player we want ahead of us (or cause Carlton to take that player). The group is so even though that i still dont think it’s worth it unless it’s just for a couple future thirds.

If north would do it for two future thirds, then we might as well. I doubt we will need or want all those picks next year. But any talk of a future 1st outright, or even with a future second from north coming back, is just unnecessary in my view.

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Have you heard anything about this?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Pick 5 is the dees and from memory they gave up their first next year for Essendon’s 9? Meaning they can’t trade a future second.

Hence why if Richmond don’t want to budge on 6 and saints are content at 7/8 there’s not many options for the Roos.

I wouldn’t do it unless it involved our future thirds. At a stretch, maybe sliding down our future first with another club such as the giants (eg f1 for giants future first and 21, give 21 to the Roos alongside 4 for 2). Even that might be overs but if we rise a bit and they fall a bit (which is possible) it’s not terrible. I would only do it for a player who won’t be at 4 and that would likely only be Lalor and O’Sullivan.

If it’s for Draper, smith or Langford I’d rather we just hold our pick assuming north are taking tauru anyway. In that situation two of those will be available to choose from.

The only ‘danger’ is north finding a suitor for 2 that would take a player we want ahead of us (or cause Carlton to take that player). The group is so even though that i still dont think it’s worth it unless it’s just for a couple future thirds.

If north would do it for two future thirds, then we might as well. I doubt we will need or want all those picks next year. But any talk of a future 1st outright, or even with a future second from north coming back, is just unnecessary in my view.

Whoops, my bad with picks... rule out the Dons.

Rumours that Dees may take Tauru at #5, so looks like Roos may need to take him at pick #2.

Ignoring key position players in previous drafts is coming back to haunt them...