Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[Jeffcrowe]

Wow. Okay.

I thought they were really highly regarded. Did they drop off this year or did I just assume they were good because of the name?

Prominent in media because of the name

The SA boys were pretty bloody ordinary this year all round outside of 4-5 of them

Ben is actually a decent ball winner but his kicking would have many clubs have him as a ‘would not draft’

Lucas is very sleight and small still but has some ability on the outside

Then you’ve got the fact this is a super strong draft for depth of talent

Interesting that it sounds like St Kilda may bid on Ben , never change SOS

 

[Danger in Texas]

Prominent in media because of the name

The SA boys were pretty bloody ordinary this year all round outside of 4-5 of them

Ben is actually a decent ball winner but his kicking would have many clubs have him as a ‘would not draft’

Lucas is very sleight and small still but has some ability on the outside

Then you’ve got the fact this is a super strong draft for depth of talent

Interesting that it sounds like St Kilda may bid on Ben , never change SOS

SOS’ level of interest in former club players is comedy, at this point

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I don't follow the kids a closely as say Bicks, but Ben imho was one of SA best players in the carnival. I can't understand why he dropped so far when earlier this year he was to 20 rated.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I think he's the least attractive of the top four options.

I think there's a big risk we're giving him an injury excuse that shouldn't be that relevant - his issue this year was not getting enough of the ball, and I don't see how a thumb injury contributes to that. It's not like it caused him to be fumbly with the ball.

I don't like the fact he seemed to be in a form slump for the entire year.

I agree he’s the least attractive, but I wouldn’t at all be upset if he was the one there at our pick. Arguably has the most well-rounded talent of the top group - just didn’t have the production level really expected of a top pick this year (which you could put down to injury - same with Lalor)

If he realises his potential, he’s 2024 Isaac Heeney

 

[Crow till I die]

Its unlikely, but a trade with a side like Freo or the Western Bulldogs where we swap our F1's and we get one of their 2nd rounders on draft night and then deal with North for pick 2 for pick 4 ad the 2nd rounder - it gets them an extra pick in this years draft + Tauru if that is who they want and we get the player we really want at 2.

Problem with this scenario is that it would have to be done straight away to get that 2nd rounder as north are on the clock at pick 2 very early on.

 

[hugecannon]

I’m confident one of O’Sullivan or Draper will be available at your first pick without having to trade up, don’t shit the bed like we did.

FYI Adelaide’s role in the WCE mock draft for all intents and purposes is complete. The following decisions were made leaving 4 main list spots and 1 rookie spot:

1. Brodie Smith was delisted and paid out after October 31, meaning his salary is in the 2025 cap
2. Burgess and Schoenberg were advised they would not get a rookie spot
3. Adelaide traded 3 x F3s for pick 28 (31)

National draft:
Pick 5: Finn O’Sullivan MID
Pick 31: Alex Dodson RUCK
Pick 57: Zak Johnson MID/UTILITY
Pick 68: Tyler Welsh FWD

Rookie draft:
Pick 4: Evan Bradley FWD (assumed)

Not going to pretend to know the list as well as you blokes do so honest feedback (good or bad) welcome but otherwise goodluck in the draft that actually matters, hopefully most wouldn’t mind if it went similar to this one.

I feel like we should put you in charge of list our management!

Love what you’ve done here!!

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I don't follow the kids a closely as say Bicks, but Ben imho was one of SA best players in the carnival. I can't understand why he dropped so far when earlier this year he was to 20 rated.

Herbert too , who will go undrafted

The SA kids got talked up but basically didn’t deliver , went from 16s champs to the worst side 2 years later

Hence some players didn’t live up to their reputations and either slide or go undrafted

Couple came up in rep too like Clarke Dodson Nicholls West Bowman while others failed

 

[Scorpus]

It'll be interesting to see how even this draft really is in a few years time

 

[Cromulant]

I don't follow the kids a closely as say Bicks, but Ben imho was one of SA best players in the carnival. I can't understand why he dropped so far when earlier this year he was to 20 rated.

Not great defensively, not quick and is average by foot.

Those last 2 points haven't really improved since his underage year, hence why his ranking dropped in the eyes of many.

 

[Vader]

I’m confident one of O’Sullivan or Draper will be available at your first pick without having to trade up, don’t shit the bed like we did.

FYI Adelaide’s role in the WCE mock draft for all intents and purposes is complete. The following decisions were made leaving 4 main list spots and 1 rookie spot:

1. Brodie Smith was delisted and paid out after October 31, meaning his salary is in the 2025 cap
2. Burgess and Schoenberg were advised they would not get a rookie spot
3. Adelaide traded 3 x F3s for pick 28 (31)

National draft:
Pick 5: Finn O’Sullivan MID
Pick 31: Alex Dodson RUCK
Pick 57: Zak Johnson MID/UTILITY
Pick 68: Tyler Welsh FWD

Rookie draft:
Pick 4: Evan Bradley FWD (assumed)

Not going to pretend to know the list as well as you blokes do so honest feedback (good or bad) welcome but otherwise goodluck in the draft that actually matters, hopefully most wouldn’t mind if it went similar to this one.

You do realise that not re-drafting Burgess & Schoenberg means that their 2025 salaries would also need to be paid out, resulting in the 2025 salaries of Smith, Burgess & Schoenberg ALL being included in our 2024 salary cap? There's not a snowball's chance in Hell that we have enough room left in our cap to pull that off.

Having got that off my chest, I think many people here would be happy with getting Dodson at pick 31.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Herbert too , who will go undrafted

The SA kids got talked up but basically didn’t deliver , went from 16s champs to the worst side 2 years later

Hence some players didn’t live up to their reputations and either slide or go undrafted

Couple came up in rep too like Clarke Dodson Nicholls West Bowman while others failed

I rate Herbert. Was a regular first team player for the Eagles. He was dropped back to U18's after the championships and played well in their premiership side.
A lot of his type of player out there though.

 

[Danger in Texas]

You do realise that not re-drafting Burgess & Schoenberg means that their 2025 salaries would also need to be paid out, resulting in the 2025 salaries of Smith, Burgess & Schoenberg ALL being included in our 2024 salary cap? There's not a snowball's chance in Hell that we have enough room left in our cap to pull that off.

Having got that off my chest, I think many people here would be happy with getting Dodson at pick 31.

It’s an opposition board mock draft, not something to really get worked up about, even if you’re right

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I rate Herbert. Was a regular first team player for the Eagles. He was dropped back to U18's after the championships and played well in their premiership side.
A lot of his type of player out there though.

Decent player , but NOT AFL level for mine

Especially in this draft

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Decent player , but NOT AFL level for mine

Especially in this draft

Happy with him at WWT.

 

[eaglevision]

You do realise that not re-drafting Burgess & Schoenberg means that their 2025 salaries would also need to be paid out, resulting in the 2025 salaries of Smith, Burgess & Schoenberg ALL being included in our 2024 salary cap? There's not a snowball's chance in Hell that we have enough room left in our cap to pull that off.

Having got that off my chest, I think many people here would be happy with getting Dodson at pick 31.

You raise a good point which I had thought about. On the assumption your 2024 cap is full, my understanding is if it occurs after October 31 (i.e now) it is included in the 2025 cap rather than 2024. Should this not be the case the obvious option is to ask the club leaders to push some of their 2024 salary into the largely increased 2025 cap to accomodate the delisted players salaries in 2024. I’m confident the players would accomodate this if it meant securing a talent like Dodson.

I was always going to take best mid available at 4 (5), but Dodson was absolutely the intended target with the trade for pick 28 (31). Had he been off the board I would have pinched Max Knobel off Freo with a later pick or as a rookie and just taken best available at 31.

 

[Vader]

You raise a good point which I had thought about. On the assumption your 2024 cap is full, my understanding is if it occurs after October 31 (i.e now) it is included in the 2025 cap rather than 2024. Should this not be the case the obvious option is to ask the club leaders to push some of their 2024 salary into the largely increased 2025 cap to accomodate the delisted players salaries in 2024. I’m confident the players would accomodate this if it meant securing a talent like Dodson.

I was always going to take best mid available at 4 (5), but Dodson was absolutely the intended target with the trade for pick 28 (31). Had he been off the board I would have pinched Max Knobel off Freo with a later pick or as a rookie and just taken best available at 31.

The players have already been paid their 2024 salaries, so asking them to push some of their 2024 salaries into 2025 isn't going to work.

I think most people would be happy with FOS, and there would be a whole lot who would be happy with picking up Dodson as well. I doubt anyone would have serious issues with any of the selections you've made.

At the end of the day it's a mock draft, on an opposition team's board. It really doesn't matter how realistic or unrealistic it is, as long as you had fun doing it.

 

[AFC979810]

Prominent in media because of the name

The SA boys were pretty bloody ordinary this year all round outside of 4-5 of them

Ben is actually a decent ball winner but his kicking would have many clubs have him as a ‘would not draft’

Lucas is very sleight and small still but has some ability on the outside

Then you’ve got the fact this is a super strong draft for depth of talent

Interesting that it sounds like St Kilda may bid on Ben , never change SOS

Thanks mate.

It's gonna be interesting to see how this draft pans out.

 

[AFC979810]

I'd like to make a general request that almost certainly won't be adhered to but could people remove their politically charged avatars please?

Requests that people don't post politics on this board.

I come here to escape the impending march of fascism and would very much like to not be reminded of it constantly. Can we not have some solace from politics anywhere?

In the same post gives everyone his political opinion.

 

[Mutineer]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/sanfl-magarey-medal-winner-harry-boyd-in-frame-for-afl-opportunity-at-st-kilda/news-story/35

SANFL Magarey Medal winner Harry Boyd in frame for AFL opportunity at St Kilda​

The SANFL’s best player is on the cusp of a long-awaited AFL chance, with a Victorian club zeroing in on this year’s Magarey Medal winner Harry Boyd.

St Kilda is zeroing in on a late-developing ruckman who won the SANFL’s Magarey Medal as back-up for Rowan Marshall

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Rowan Marshall

Age

28

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

as a trio of Saints talls face graduated returns to the pre-season.
Rival clubs believe the Saints are keen on Norwood 26-year-old Harry Boyd, this year’s Magarey Medal winner, as a tall-timber option.

Boyd, 198cm, has quietly nominated for the AFL draft and it’s believed he has met the Saints.

He did not nominate for the mid-season draft.
In a dominant season, Boyd shared the SANFL’s top individual award with former Essendon player Will Snelling

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Will Snelling

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

4.7

2star

HB

9.4

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

4.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

12.6

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

8.3

4star

M

1.3

1star

T

5.6

5star

G

0.4

3star

D

16.2

4star

K

5.2

2star

HB

11.0

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.8

5star

G

1.2

4star

averaging 21 disposals, 10 clearances, four tackles and 41 hit-outs in 18 matches.

Both polled 34 votes in the Magarey Medal.

But Boyd won the Shearman Medal – voted on by the coaches – and also his second club best and fairest.

The accolades go with the Jack Oatey Medal he received as best-afield in Norwood’s 2022 premiership.

Boyd is originally from Shepparton and played with Werribee in 2017-18 after graduating from the Murray Bushrangers. The Goulburn Valley league representative crossed to the SANFL in 2021.

One recruiter described him as a “late-developer’’.

 

[Cromulant]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/sanfl-magarey-medal-winner-harry-boyd-in-frame-for-afl-opportunity-at-st-kilda/news-story/35

SANFL Magarey Medal winner Harry Boyd in frame for AFL opportunity at St Kilda​

The SANFL’s best player is on the cusp of a long-awaited AFL chance, with a Victorian club zeroing in on this year’s Magarey Medal winner Harry Boyd.

St Kilda is zeroing in on a late-developing ruckman who won the SANFL’s Magarey Medal as back-up for Rowan Marshall as a trio of Saints talls face graduated returns to the pre-season.
Rival clubs believe the Saints are keen on Norwood 26-year-old Harry Boyd, this year’s Magarey Medal winner, as a tall-timber option.

Boyd, 198cm, has quietly nominated for the AFL draft and it’s believed he has met the Saints.

He did not nominate for the mid-season draft.
In a dominant season, Boyd shared the SANFL’s top individual award with former Essendon player Will Snelling averaging 21 disposals, 10 clearances, four tackles and 41 hit-outs in 18 matches.

Both polled 34 votes in the Magarey Medal.

But Boyd won the Shearman Medal – voted on by the coaches – and also his second club best and fairest.

The accolades go with the Jack Oatey Medal he received as best-afield in Norwood’s 2022 premiership.

Boyd is originally from Shepparton and played with Werribee in 2017-18 after graduating from the Murray Bushrangers. The Goulburn Valley league representative crossed to the SANFL in 2021.

One recruiter described him as a “late-developer’’.

Good to see him get a go, if he does

 

[Captain Furious]

Requests that people don't post politics on this board.



In the same post gives everyone his political opinion.

Consider the point well and truly missed. Good job bud. Stay awesome

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Thanks mate.

It's gonna be interesting to see how this draft pans out.

Definitely the most interesting draft since the big SA one with ranks and luko Rozee etc

 

[eaglevision]

The players have already been paid their 2024 salaries, so asking them to push some of their 2024 salaries into 2025 isn't going to work.

I think most people would be happy with FOS, and there would be a whole lot who would be happy with picking up Dodson as well. I doubt anyone would have serious issues with any of the selections you've made.

At the end of the day it's a mock draft, on an opposition team's board. It really doesn't matter how realistic or unrealistic it is, as long as you had fun doing it.

That the point I’m making with Smith, his salary would go into the 2025 cap but just surprised the club got him to the games trigger in the first place.

No idea what your TPPs look like (and very unlikely anyone on here does) but I’m confident those list changes could have been made if the club a) thought about it and b) wanted it. Wouldn’t be much point to doing a mock draft if it had little resemblance to reality.

There’s a good argument for most of the top mids for the Crows, I personally view FOS and Levi as the best players in the draft so went with him. If you can somehow get into the top 30 I really only see Richmond as your main competition for Dodson but they are also the most likely club for a trade.

Other clubs have other needs at that level of the draft IMO but he’s so talented it only takes one team to go early. I see that Keene still hasn’t been elevated, maybe there’s still a chance for that extra list spot but think it’s unlikely after the public commitment to Burgess and Schoenberg.

 

[Vader]

That the point I’m making with Smith, his salary would go into the 2025 cap but just surprised the club got him to the games trigger in the first place.

No idea what your TPPs look like (and very unlikely anyone on here does) but I’m confident those list changes could have been made if the club a) thought about it and b) wanted it. Wouldn’t be much point to doing a mock draft if it had little resemblance to reality.

There’s a good argument for most of the top mids for the Crows, I personally view FOS and Levi as the best players in the draft so went with him. If you can somehow get into the top 30 I really only see Richmond as your main competition for Dodson but they are also the most likely club for a trade.

Other clubs have other needs at that level of the draft IMO but he’s so talented it only takes one team to go early. I see that Keene still hasn’t been elevated, maybe there’s still a chance for that extra list spot but think it’s unlikely after the public commitment to Burgess and Schoenberg.

The bigger issue was the decision to re-sign Berry, only to sign a very similar (and arguably better) player during the FA/Trade period.

I doubt that any club has the space left in their 2024 salary cap to incorporate the 2025 salaries of 3 players. I'm not even sure that Adelaide has room to pay out 1 player, they definitely don't have enough room for 3.

Keane (or Turray/Borlase - but most likely Keane) will definitely be upgraded. Doing so is the only way we can satisfy the AFL's mandatory 3 ND selection rule. Also, we only have 1 rookie list vacancy at present, so we need to create a vacancy (by upgrading a rookie) in order to fit Berg & Burgess. It's just a matter of when (not if) rookie upgrades are announced.

 

[eaglevision]

The bigger issue was the decision to re-sign Berry, only to sign a very similar (and arguably better) player during the FA/Trade period.

I doubt that any club has the space left in their 2024 salary cap to incorporate the 2025 salaries of 3 players. I'm not even sure that Adelaide has room to pay out 1 player, they definitely don't have enough room for 3.

Keane (or Turray/Borlase - but most likely Keane) will definitely be upgraded. Doing so is the only way we can satisfy the AFL's mandatory 3 ND selection rule. Also, we only have 1 rookie list vacancy at present, so we need to create a vacancy (by upgrading a rookie) in order to fit Berg & Burgess. It's just a matter of when (not if) rookie upgrades are announced.

Very odd with Berry, he had some currency too I thought. The Crows have pick 4, 64 and 78 as it stands which would meet the list requirements to take three players should you not upgrade a rookie.



But you’re right the public commitment to the other two making it a forgone conclusion, would be a shame if options like the above weren’t explored in list planning.