Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[WaynesWorld19]

You're cherry picking now, but my point is the drafting since 2020 has been 100% improved, from first round to second round.

I'm not suggesting the job is done, but the drafting under Pyke was woeful.

I've provided analysis to back that up, can you do the same?

Also, Pyke's call to trade out of #2 this year .....he himself has said he thinks in a weird fashion on footy matters

There's enough evidence whereby that cannot be disputed

 

[1990crow]

I thinks this board needs a decent season next year.

 

[George Kramer]

IF RICH trade #6 and #18 for pick #2 ....they deserve to spend eternity in Hades

They've deliberately bottomed out ....got rid of great players ...to consolidate two first round picks in a great draft, when RICH need as many Draftees as possible, is insane

If it weren't so even in the Top 10 ...then perhaps, but that's not the case

Give up Travalia to get FOS ....and give away #18 for the privelege

Richmond currently have 8 top 24 picks, 4 in the top 11.

If they’ve identified a player they want at 2 and they go from 6 to 2, still have 4 picks before 11, 7 in the top 24, you reckon that’s madness? And how do you know they are going for FOS at 2?

 

[George Kramer]

Also, Pyke's call to trade out of #2 this year .....he himself has said he thinks in a weird fashion on footy matters

There's enough evidence whereby that cannot be disputed

But has he gone rogue bonkers?

 

[Mostyn]

I'm dreaming of ultra aggressive.
Schoenberg and Burgess find themselves paid out and perhaps even someone else - like Smith, and next years third rounders somehow turn into Dodson and someone else - perhaps that kid from WA talked about above.
All fairy land of course, but, should the numbers and trades suddenly become possible, is it within the AFL list management laws?

It doesn't seem like it, no.

 

[Mostyn]

IF RICH trade #6 and #18 for pick #2 ....they deserve to spend eternity in Hades

They've deliberately bottomed out ....got rid of great players ...to consolidate two first round picks in a great draft, when RICH need as many Draftees as possible, is insane

If it weren't so even in the Top 10 ...then perhaps, but that's not the case

Give up Travalia to get FOS ....and give away #18 for the privelege

What?

They need top end quality, especially in the midfield.

Getting Lalor and Jagga is much better than Lalor, Smillie and Whitlock.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Rubbish, the whole strategy changes under a new coach. The list management committee has changed too, giving Ogilvie clear direction.

Nicks loves highly skilled players, and wants speed. He has also demanded we trade more, including our first round picks where we can.

Unfortunately Nicks inherited a team of triers, and he has spent 5 years turning it into a highly skilled team.

To think the recruitment team work autonomous to the coach and head of football, year in year out, is the real nonsense.

Generally you are correct .....Coaches traditionally on appointment have been given 5 year terms to pull together "their" team" .....some of the rubbish Clubs get too involved, meddle in affairs, and believe the Coach should just coach the players on the list already

The Coach needs to provide the overview of the type of game he wishes to play, and the type of players he wants recruited .....that's it in a nutshell ...he doesn't or shouldn't get involved in Drafting UNLESS there's a line-ball call on similar players

Nicks is on record as saying he wants "Speed & Power" ....players who can drive their legs out of contests
Some Coaches like Craig preferred handballing out of contests ....so there's a clear distinction

Nicks first stage at the start of the rebuild, was to get contested footballers .....coming from SYD, that was his grounding, contested footy first

Then with each Draft & Trading .....he's overlayed skill over the contested game

The recruiting team, knows the Coaches gamestyle, and the type of player he wants .....then it's up to Hamish

 

[Mostyn]

Also, Pyke's call to trade out of #2 this year .....he himself has said he thinks in a weird fashion on footy matters

There's enough evidence whereby that cannot be disputed

It was Pyke who said the list needed speed and prioritised drafting Gallucci over English ...

 

[Peter Doherty]

Don’t drink and post champ, you’re talking about a different thing to the topic you think you’re replying too.

I'm not really into this as much as you are.

No doubt you'll reply with something. Seems to be getting to you.

Seeya bud,

 

[WaynesWorld19]

What?

They need top end quality, especially in the midfield.

Getting Lalor and Jagga is much better than Lalor, Smillie and Whitlock.

You're missing the point .....in our stages of list build, I would support #6 and #18 for #2 for a standout player.....but not in RICH's position

They should preserve #18 and get the extra player .....the difference in #6 and #2 are not sufficiently great enough to give up #18

They could get Langford with #6 ....so it makes zero sense, hence why it appears RICH are a bit cold on the idea

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It was Pyke who said the list needed speed and prioritised drafting Gallucci over English ...

I'm not arguing that he didn't ......it's clear as day, all sides are getting rid of slow midfielders, indirect midfielders ...to bring in speed and directness

Hence why Crouch is on the line .....his gamestyle changed back and forth again during the season .....crabbing a lot of games, and yet again, being more direct, using kicking instead of handballing, and using his legs in the last handfull of games

It's clear, with that ever changing gamestyle .....the Coaches are in his ear with strong messaging

 

[WaynesWorld19]

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Is it safe to assume we won’t get Langford ?

Haven’t heard any talk of him being first preference of of top 3, so wouldn’t need to trade up to 2 for him?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Is it safe to assume we won’t get Langford ?

Haven’t heard any talk of him being first preference of of top 3, so wouldn’t need to trade up to 2 for him?

Well we might get him if we don’t get up to 2 and he’s next on our draft board

But yeah , not at pick 2

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Well we might get him if we don’t get up to 2 and he’s next on our draft board

But yeah , not at pick 2

Sounds like it might be between Smith and Draper and I’d expect at least one is there

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Sounds like it might be between Smith and Draper and I’d expect at least one is there

There is a chance smith and Draper go 2 and 3 and we miss both at 4

Then Langford in play

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

There is a chance smith and Draper go 2 and 3 and we miss both at 4

Then Langford in play

North won't take Draper & gather no other team is looking to trade up.

If Richmond don't pick Lalor at #1, there could be chaos on trade night though.

 

[Cromulant]

North won't take Draper & gather no other team is looking to trade up.

If Richmond don't pick Lalor at #1, there could be chaos on trade night though

Yup if that happens there will be some stupid offers coming in at 2, we'll miss out I reckon.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You're missing the point .....in our stages of list build, I would support #6 and #18 for #2 for a standout player.....but not in RICH's position

They should preserve #18 and get the extra player .....the difference in #6 and #2 are not sufficiently great enough to give up #18

They could get Langford with #6 ....so it makes zero sense, hence why it appears RICH are a bit cold on the idea

Mostyn ....mate the other point I forgot to add regarding holding pick #18 is, RICH are apparently very keen on Dodson

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Yup if that happens there will be some stupid offers coming in at 2, we'll miss out I reckon.

This is probably our worse case scenario.

If Lalor is taken at #1, Tauru at #2, we get either Draper or Smith regardless.

 

[Chief Crow]

Information from Jay Clarke

The Kangaroos could shuffle back from pick two in a swap with Adelaide where Tauru could still be available if North elects to take the backman over another jet midfielder.
Carlton has pick three and are strongly considering O’Sullivan – who is Sam Walsh

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Sam Walsh

Age

24

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184cm

Wt

84kg

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Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

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25.1

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13.5

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11.6

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5.1

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3.2

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CL

3.4

5star

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26.2

5star

K

15.4

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10.8

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M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

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CL

4.8

5star

’s cousin, as well as South Australian midfielder Sid Draper, and Oakleigh ball magnet Jagga Smith.
Adelaide at pick four could overlook the local talent Draper if he was still available for big-bodied 190cm onballer Harvey Langford to help give the Crows some midfield size and strength.
The Crows overlooked local talent Brad Ebert

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Brad Ebert

Age

34

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189cm

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90kg

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Fwd

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19.9

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11.4

4star

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8.5

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4.6

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5.2

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0.5

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D

14.6

4star

K

9.8

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4.9

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4.4

4star

T

3.8

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G

0.6

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12.0

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8.2

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3.8

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3.2

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2.8

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0.2

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for champion midfielder Patrick Dangerfield amid significant backlash from fans in 2007 and a similar situation could unfold this week with the 180cm Draper from South Adelaide

 

[George Kramer]

Mostyn ....mate the other point I forgot to add regarding holding pick #18 is, RICH are apparently very keen on Dodson

If that’s true they won’t give up 18, if they decide to trade it then they aren’t as keen as you’ve suggested

 

[George Kramer]

Information from Jay Clarke

The Kangaroos could shuffle back from pick two in a swap with Adelaide where Tauru could still be available if North elects to take the backman over another jet midfielder.
Carlton has pick three and are strongly considering O’Sullivan – who is Sam Walsh’s cousin, as well as South Australian midfielder Sid Draper, and Oakleigh ball magnet Jagga Smith.
Adelaide at pick four could overlook the local talent Draper if he was still available for big-bodied 190cm onballer Harvey Langford to help give the Crows some midfield size and strength.
The Crows overlooked local talent Brad Ebert for champion midfielder Patrick Dangerfield amid significant backlash from fans in 2007 and a similar situation could unfold this week with the 180cm Draper from South Adelaide

Could could could, that’s not info

 

[Chief Crow]

Could could could, that’s not info

It's more Intel then anyone on here actually has

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's more Intel then anyone on here actually has

This intel had already been mentioned on here along with plenty of other alternatives...

It's a big guessing game.