Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[Jeffcrowe]

Yes - and maybe Adelaide have worked out they can get Draper by staying at 4.
And North panicking because they have no one willing to slide back for them.

Agree

 

[1990crow]

Agree

I wonder if because Reid has such a strong relationship with Carlton there's insider trading going on there

 

[119others]

Anonymous
46 minutes ago
Surely the crows won't overlook Sid Draper if they can't get Jagga Smith. (edited)

Chris Cavanagh
3 minutes ago
They do like Harvey Langford as well, but I’d think Sid Draper makes the most sense if the Crows are picking between Draper and Langford

 

[119others]

Read the last 100 pages and that will answer your question.

ok thanks but to save a few hrs can you summarise in 1-2 sentences?

 

[Hodgy]

I wonder if north are locked in for Tauru no matter what, but are making a bluff on FOS to encourage us to trade

I think this is very likely. If you think Tauru is the best player for you then you take him at 2 or 4 surely.
If North trade back to 4 planning to take Tauru and both FOS and Tauru are available, are they taking FOS then?

 

[119others]

James
34 minutes ago
If all 3 of Jagga Smith, Sid Draper and Finn O’Sullivan are available at pick 3, who do you think Carlton will choose?

Chris Cavanagh
4 minutes ago
All three would add something different to the Blues midfield. I still think it’s probably O’Sullivan if all three are available, but there’s clearly a lot of interest in the other two as well. All depends on what North Melbourne does with pick 2.

 

[Disco Fox]

I don't understand why Richmond havent already got hold of North's selection, they would be mad not to give them 6 for 2 and a f2 or something.

Assume maybe North are keeping their options open?

Maybe they fear that if they do that trade that there's a risk that Melb will take Tauru at Pick 5?

 

[Viva la Mattner]

aren't you the "nobody picked us and everyone is leaving" guy?

You've lost me

 

[Crow_68]

I wonder if north are locked in for Tauru no matter what, but are making a bluff on FOS to encourage us to trade

Just need Melbourne to talk about taking Tauru at 5.

 

[119others]

Gday Chris, I’d be keen to know who are your best current draft comparisons to past players? For example Smillie,Jagga and Sid Draper.

Chris Cavanagh
6 minutes ago
Josh Smillie is your Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

-type big-bodied onballer. Jagga Smith has been compared to Zak Butters

9

Zak Butters

Age

24

Ht

181cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

14.7

4star

K

8.9

4star

HB

5.9

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

17.0

5star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

, but I also think there’s also a little bit of Nick Daicos about him. Sid Draper is more of a Chad Warner

1

Chad Warner

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

-type explosive midfielder.

 

[jenny61_99]

Gday Chris, I’d be keen to know who are your best current draft comparisons to past players? For example Smillie,Jagga and Sid Draper.

Chris Cavanagh
6 minutes ago
Josh Smillie is your Patrick Cripps-type big-bodied onballer. Jagga Smith has been compared to Zak Butters, but I also think there’s also a little bit of Nick Daicos about him. Sid Draper is more of a Chad Warner-type explosive midfielder.

I think any of these three would be a good addition.

 

[119others]

I think any of these three would be a good addition.

Hi Jenny, personally not as keen on Smilie as we already have big bodied Curtin and Dawson and Edwards arent small. I would rather express PACE personally

Did you vote in the poll yet? Keen to see my Brissie mates - inc Mostyn - predictions

 

[crows dude]

South Aussie Select with Sid Draper - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

 

[119others]

Hi Chris, do you think there is a certain player that may be available for St Kilda at pick 8 which would be just too good for them to take and not trade it?

Chris Cavanagh
6 minutes ago
My mail is the Saints are more likely to keep those picks now, rather than trade them. They’re talking about taking two midfielders at 7 & 8, but I don’t think Harry Armstrong is completely out of the mix as a key forward, either. There’s potential for Harvey Langford or Sid Draper to slide through to pick 7 and then the likes of Bo Allan and Tobie Travaglia look right in the mix at pick 8. They can both run – which is what the Saints are looking for.

 

[BRL121]

Kane McGoodwin
It looks like it was right for us to be relaxed. We look to be staying at pick 4 and choosing between Draper and Langford.
Lots of fun and games have been in the mix.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Possibly and would be wise

I’m sensing they might be too nervous to take Tauru at pick 2 as it’s a decent reach and reputations are on the line

They want him but they want to take him at 4-10 somewhere to take pressure off the pick

tbh I think that's a weak approach to drafting but it is north

If he's the guy you want and need, take him

 

[119others]

OK perhaps last one from DOZENS of questions asked I have just copied a handful that related to us or were perhaps of interest. This last question posed was from moi

Anonymous
12 minutes ago
will you please provide your BEST guess at top 5 (disregarding Ashcroft and assuming no trades)
Chris Cavanagh
1 minute ago
Tough one still, but here goes: 1. Richmond – Sam Lalor 2. North Melbourne – Finn O’Sullivan 3. Carlton – Jagga Smith 4. Adelaide – Sid Draper 5. Melbourne – Alix Tauru

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

I think they’ll still take FOS.

I think the due diligence work (such as meeting with Sid) done during the period serves two purposes:

1. Get to know Sid, and further background work if we did want to pick him (keeping in mind, I’m assuming that Carlton are coming from a long way back and wouldn’t have seriously anticipated being able to draft Sid during or at the end of the season - prior to securing pick 3).


2. Put it out to the media that we are interested in Sid, and therefore spook the Crows to trading up and picking him at 2 thereby letting Smith get through.. As it would turn out, Adelaide saw straight through this and then did the same with leaking their interest in Jagga if they secured pick 2.

wait, now I'm confused.

Are saying that the interest in Smith is a bluff by Adelaide, or did we reveal our real interest in Smith to get carlton to reveal their real interest in Smith?

 

[Hodgy]

I don't understand why Richmond havent already got hold of North's selection, they would be mad not to give them 6 for 2 and a f2 or something.

Assume maybe North are keeping their options open?

I think this is the clear indication that North are taking Tauru. Why muck around with Adelaide who have bugger all to trade when you have Richmond with almost unlimited? It only makes sense if you’re worried that your guy will be there at 4 but maybe not at 6, that has to be Tauru.

Conversely the only reason for us to move to 2 is if we think Carlton are going to take whoever we prefer out of Smith or Draper.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Ashcroft for IMO has been the most dominant mid this season, dominated at every level he played, school, CTL, Nationals and VFL. Best on in the Academy game against Footscray as well. 3 times AA U16, dual U 18.

and has a December birthday. Brisbane are getting the number one pick for peanuts. AFL are seasons too late on fixing up the points value!

Norf failed to make Pies pay for Nick Daicos, probably won't make the Premier pay for Ashcroft II

 

[119others]

OK last one..

Jeffcrowe

should have replied to your above message Jeff with you saying the same thing as below I believe


What are the chances of North getting a trade for pick 2 and what do you think is most Likely outcome?

Chris Cavanagh
now
Some chance, but Adelaide (pick 4) is their only potential buyer it seems and they’ve already knocked back an offer of pick 4 and two future third-round picks. The Crows don’t have a future second-rounder to clench the deal, which complicates things. Therefore, North might have to stay put and decide between O’Sullivan or Tauru.

 

[LoBu]

tbh I think that's a weak approach to drafting but it is north

If he's the guy you want and need, take him

Could be that Clarkson wants Tauru but the recruiters want best available

 

[Jeffcrowe]

OK last one..

Jeffcrowe

should have replied to your above message Jeff with you saying the same thing as below I believe


What are the chances of North getting a trade for pick 2 and what do you think is most Likely outcome?

Chris Cavanagh
now
Some chance, but Adelaide (pick 4) is their only potential buyer it seems and they’ve already knocked back an offer of pick 4 and two future third-round picks. The Crows don’t have a future second-rounder to clench the deal, which complicates things. Therefore, North might have to stay put and decide between O’Sullivan or Tauru.

Correct

My feel is FOS might be going pick 2 no matter who holds the pick out of North Richmond or us

North would prefer to trade back to take Tauru if possible but likely doesn’t happen

I doubt they’ll take Tauru at 2 and instead take FOS

That’s my summation

Starting to think the diff clubs have a pretty similar talent order overall

Ie Lalor and FOS

Then Smith , Draper , Langford ( and Tauru for some )

 

[119others]

wait, now I'm confused.

Are saying that the interest in Smith is a bluff by Adelaide, or did we reveal our real interest in Smith to get carlton to reveal their real interest in Smith?

what was the middle bit again? (haha bad joke from A Fish Called Wanda)

Agreed, all confusing and espionage, double espionage and even perhaps triple espionage occurring.

I agree theres lots of games and misinformation and not sure we should trust what any club is feeding us either privately OR publicly. Its not in Blues interest to let us know he is potentially their number one choice at 3 CONSIDERING we can manufacture a trade to get ahead of them. I am just suspicious here but thanks to C4 (sounds like a Star Wars robot! which is a good thing obviously) for always being open with the info he has or believes will happen. Whether he is always fed the right info I dont know...

It was also reported last week in the media that it was the THIRD or FOURTH Blues meeting with Draper. Very different to meeting for the first time...

 

[119others]

Correct

My feel is FOS might be going pick 2 no matter who holds the pick out of North Richmond or us

North would prefer to trade back to take Tauru if possible but likely doesn’t happen

I doubt they’ll take Tauru at 2 and instead take FOS

That’s my summation

Starting to think the diff clubs have a pretty similar talent order overall

Ie Lalor and FOS

Then Smith , Draper , Langford ( and Tauru for some )

yeah thats really interesting mate and thx for input. I just find it hard to accept that Kangas WOULD trade down to 4 and take Tauru if Crows came up with a F2. But in the absence of this F2 (as only 2 or 3 x F3's offered) that they would completely change their preferred pick (and its a structural pick in this case - not just choosing between mids for example) and instead go for FOS instead of Tauru - all due to the difference between a F2 and 2/3 F3's

I am certainly no expert at this but if I had to predict I feel Kangas NEED a Tauru type and will likely take him at 2 or 4 if trade with us (or 6 with Tiges trade assuming Dees dont at 5), and that Blues pick 3 may not be fait accompli as what they 'workshopped' with us and potentially other clubs on the weekend.