List Mgmt. 2024 AFL Draft - November 20-21 (Picks 13, 29, 36, 50, 94, 112, 130)

[Ford Fairlane]

Thanks to Lore for this great resource

 

[Julia#13]

Travaglia my preference if we keep 13. Slots straight into Houston's spot next year on the half back line and then begins rotating into the midfield in 2026.

 

[shewho]

No one has yet to propose even an Adam Cooney

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type mega trade in which we go from 13 to 10 because it’s fantasy.

In any trade, you have to give some thing of value to move into the top 10- we don’t have the collateral.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

But as C4 has said, it's a 3 or 4 way deal with North, Richmond, Port and possibly GWS. It's not just Port trying to trade up with Richmond. The main deal swings on Richmond getting pick 2 from North, the Tigers are doing the heavy lifting. We're going along for the ride and giving up something that helps get that deal over the line but benefits us too.

As he said, he doesn't know the mechanics of the deal but he knows what is meant to end up with Port.

It would be really nice if we can cash in a bit of good karma that we are hopefully owed to move up a bit in the draft and get a really top end prospect for losing Houston.

That would lessen the pain of not getting heaps back on that trade and could move it into happy days.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Trading more picks to move up 3 or so positions into a top 10 sounds more like saving face to me. Then the club can turn around and sell we got a top 10 pick for Dan and all is well.

Didn’t turn out too well for us last time we chased someone in the first round and traded up a couple spots in the process throwing away a decent second rounder.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

It would be really nice if we can cash in a bit of good karma that we are hopefully owed to move up a bit in the draft and get a really top end prospect for losing Houston.

That would lessen the pain of not getting heaps back on that trade and could move it into happy days.

I recall too that 3 of these clubs were involved in the JHF trade that no one thought could be done especially when the AFL remembered we are not a Victorian club and wouldn't let us trade any future picks we wanted. The other clubs took up the slack because they knew it was a great trade where everyone benefited.

It's amazing what can be achieved when egos are parked and no one is trying to win the trade. If Collingwood or Essendon were involved it would fall over. Richmond have so much collateral though that they can afford to give up a bit extra to get what they want.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I recall too that 3 of these clubs were involved in the JHF trade that no one thought could be done especially when the AFL remembered we are not a Victorian club and wouldn't let us trade any future picks we wanted. The other clubs took up the slack because they knew it was a great trade where everyone benefited.

It's amazing what can be achieved when egos are parked and no one is trying to win the trade. If Collingwood or Essendon were involved it would fall over. Richmond have so much collateral though that they can afford to give up a bit extra to get what they want.

Yeah, I was going to say a similar thing, that if Essendon were involved there would be no chance of a deal but there are teams willing to work together to get deals done. Sometimes you are a major part of it like with the Hornet and sometimes you are the little link in the chain that makes it all work like hopefully this time.

Here's hoping we can benefit from a mega trade and pick up a player we might have very high on our board drop to 10. It could be Bo Allan but it could Draper or Smilie or Murphy Reid.

 

[Willsy10]

They would get a better second rounder than pick 29 that's the whole point

Who is giving more than 13 though, and there are only 5 second round picks better than 29


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[Addy23]

Who is giving more than 13 though, and there are only 5 second round picks better than 29


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Anything from 10-20 in this draft is very very very even. So you don't need to offer up more than 13.

If GWS are involved they have 15, 16 and 21 to work with? Also their Future first.

West Coast have 12 and 26 or a future first.

Dogs have 17, 25 and future first.

Fremantle have 14 and future first.

If any clubs get whiff of us offering 13 and 29 to get pick 10 to get a Smilie, Reid or Tauru, there'll be other clubs able to offer much better deals than us.

 

[Malibu#27]

Anything from 10-20 in this draft is very very very even. So you don't need to offer up more than 13.



If any clubs get whiff of us offering 13 and 29 to get pick 10 to get a Smilie, Reid or Tauru, there'll be other clubs able to offer much better deals than us.

Do you see how contradictory these two statements are. You are saying that 10 and 13 are very very even, and then think a club is going to fall over themselves to outbid us to jump a couple spots in a very even list of players.

 

[Addy23]

Do you see how contradictory these two statements are. You are saying that 10 and 13 are very very even, and then think a club is going to fall over themselves to outbid us to jump a couple spots in a very even list of players.

You've clearly missed the point.

Let's say hypothetically: Smilie (who I consider in the top 8) slides to 10. Now we Smilie and GWS like Smilie. We offer 13 and 29 while GWS offer 15 and 21. Who's offer do you think Richmond would take? If I were Richmond I would be taking 15 and 21 rather than 13 and 29.

 

[jackag24]

I don't see any world where the Crows pass on Draper.

They are far too much of a vanilla club to do something risky like that, even if a better player was available

 

[Malibu#27]

You've clearly missed the point.

Let's say hypothetically: Smilie (who I consider in the top 8) slides to 10. Now we Smilie and GWS like Smilie. We offer 13 and 29 while GWS offer 15 and 21. Who's offer do you think Richmond would take? If I were Richmond I would be taking 15 and 21 rather than 13 and 29.

That often suggests that you havent made a very clear point.

In the hypothetical scenario you just provide, Smilie slides to 10, are you suggesting that this would all happen on draft night (which is the only way you can know that he has slid to 10) ?

If this is the case the deal you mention could happen, yet the deal that apparently is being discussed is a 3 way deal also involving pick 2. ... this (as far as I am aware) has to happen before draft night (I dont think you can do three-way pick swaps on draft night, or can't remember any) ... so the trade in question that Richmond are looking at would be occuring before Smilie slides to 10.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Anything from 10-20 in this draft is very very very even. So you don't need to offer up more than 13.

If GWS are involved they have 15, 16 and 21 to work with? Also their Future first.

West Coast have 12 and 26 or a future first.

Dogs have 17, 25 and future first.

Fremantle have 14 and future first.

If any clubs get whiff of us offering 13 and 29 to get pick 10 to get a Smilie, Reid or Tauru, there'll be other clubs able to offer much better deals than us.

But again you have to consider that this is a deal primarily between Richmond and North to move pick 2 to Richmond and strengthen North's draft hand this year. North have pick 2 then 62, they don't care about future firsts in a heavily compromised 2025 draft, they need more picks in this draft.

West Coast have nothing after pick 26, so they won't be jumping into the deal, the Dogs pick 17 is way off the pace of 13. Also Richmond may be keeping 29 and throwing in one of their earlier picks in the 20s to North.

It might all come to nothing at the end of the day, but C4's information is usually good and he is confident they are working on a deal. I expect it is going to have all sorts of possible permutations, it's not going to be a simple x for y swap if it comes to fruition.

 

[Powerade 08]

Its impossible to move 3 spots up the draft order. Never been done

 

[shewho]

I challenge anyone to put up a pick trade scenario that gets us into the top 10 and I’ll tell you why it’s unrealistic or why our involvement can be bettered by another club.

At the moment, our involvement is a pipe dream in the ether.

 

[sregit]

I challenge anyone to put up a pick trade scenario that gets us into the top 10 and I’ll tell you why it’s unrealistic or why our involvement can be bettered by another club.

At the moment, our involvement is a pipe dream in the ether.

Richmond supporter. Excuse.
Draft night and pick 10 Richmond is on the clock.
PA: we want your pick 10 and will give you 13 and our Round 2 pick.
Richmond: are you prepared to divulge who you want?
PA: yes, player x.
Richmond: Okay(not who we’d have taken) we’ll do that.

 

[noobermensch]

Angus Clarke is a solid mid sized defensive option who seems likely to be taken somewhere in the middle rounds of the upcoming draft. A versatile 188cm defender, his aerial strength allows him to match up on taller opponents, while his pace and agility makes him equally adept at covering smalls. He's competitive and disruptive, with a strong focus on winning his matchup first, but when he does get involved in transition ball movement his dash and excellent kicking skills can be a weapon.

 

[shewho]

Richmond supporter. Excuse.
Draft night and pick 10 Richmond is on the clock.
PA: we want your pick 10 and will give you 13 and our Round 2 pick.
Richmond: are you prepared to divulge who you want?
PA: yes, player x.
Richmond: Okay(not who we’d have taken) we’ll do that.

Three problems- If you have a player in mind at 10, how do you know that WC won't take him at 12? Also, what use is 29 to Richmond? You won't even attend the second night of the draft and if you do, you will use pick 24 then bugger off home. When pick 29 comes around the Richmond recruiters will be at the pub or tucked up in bed. Thirdly, after that little conversation with us, Richmond could speak to West Coast and get a better deal.

 

[Acemanjam]

Angus Clarke is a solid mid sized defensive option who seems likely to be taken somewhere in the middle rounds of the upcoming draft. A versatile 188cm defender, his aerial strength allows him to match up on taller opponents, while his pace and agility makes him equally adept at covering smalls. He's competitive and disruptive, with a strong focus on winning his matchup first, but when he does get involved in transition ball movement his dash and excellent kicking skills can be a weapon.

Not sure we would would be looking into him with so many similar guys on the list/expected to come in this year, but he looks good. Ty again for putting these vids together, much appreciated.

 

[noobermensch]

Not sure we would would be looking into him with so many similar guys on the list/expected to come in this year, but he looks good. Ty again for putting these vids together, much appreciated.

I haven't seen much of him at SANFL level but apparently he's mixed up his role quite a bit for Glenelg, playing forward and possibly wing.

 

[sregit]

Three problems- If you have a player in mind at 10, how do you know that WC won't take him at 12? Also, what use is 29 to Richmond? You won't even attend the second night of the draft and if you do, you will use pick 24 then bugger off home. When pick 29 comes around the Richmond recruiters will be at the pub or tucked up in bed. Thirdly, after that little conversation with us, Richmond could speak to West Coast and get a better deal.

Provided Richmond have not done other trades, they hold pick 11 also. In theory we could trade 11 to PA , provided you’d divulged who you wanted and it was not who we wanted.
Also as we hold 11, we’d only need to get past WC and if Allen was still on the Board and he was not our target it’s not a problem. West coast don’t have much draft capitol.

 

[Addy23]

Provided Richmond have not done other trades, they hold pick 11 also. In theory we could trade 11 to PA , provided you’d divulged who you wanted and it was not who we wanted.
Also as we hold 11, we’d only need to get past WC and if Allen was still on the Board and he was not our target it’s not a problem. West coast don’t have much draft capitol.

West Coast have more draft capital than we do including future first

 

[Macca19]

Three problems- If you have a player in mind at 10, how do you know that WC won't take him at 12? Also, what use is 29 to Richmond? You won't even attend the second night of the draft and if you do, you will use pick 24 then bugger off home. When pick 29 comes around the Richmond recruiters will be at the pub or tucked up in bed. Thirdly, after that little conversation with us, Richmond could speak to West Coast and get a better deal.

Richmond could trade 29 for a future second

 

[Addy23]

That often suggests that you havent made a very clear point.

In the hypothetical scenario you just provide, Smilie slides to 10, are you suggesting that this would all happen on draft night (which is the only way you can know that he has slid to 10) ?

If this is the case the deal you mention could happen, yet the deal that apparently is being discussed is a 3 way deal also involving pick 2. ... this (as far as I am aware) has to happen before draft night (I dont think you can do three-way pick swaps on draft night, or can't remember any) ... so the trade in question that Richmond are looking at would be occuring before Smilie slides to 10.

Often being the key word there

If no one from the top 8 slides down to 10 or so, Port would be looking very stupid for trading 13 and 29 for 10 to pick up a Berry, Lindsay or Allan. So from Port's perspective, it makes no sense to do a deal now. Can do a multi-club trade on draft night from what I know.

I get the point that this is tied in with North attempting to give away 2 which would obviously need to be done pre-draft night. Which is why I personally feel like any deal getting done for pick 2 won't include us because it's a high risk low reward move for our club who've already been made to look foolish for what we did in the Houston deal.

 

[Port2Power]

Richmond supporter. Excuse.
Draft night and pick 10 Richmond is on the clock.
PA: we want your pick 10 and will give you 13 and our Round 2 pick.
Richmond: are you prepared to divulge who you want?
PA: yes, player x.
Richmond: Okay(not who we’d have taken) we’ll do that.

In other drafts maybe pick 13 + 29 for your pick 10 BUT not in this draft.

This draft has a lot of depth in terms of talent and at pick 29 we can get someone who fills our needs.
We have 5 vacant list spots on our main and we cant afford to draft speculative picks at 90.

Plus pick 13 +29 is overs for pick 10.
No point jumping 3 spots higher whilst loosing a valued pick especially in this draft.