List Mgmt. 2024 AFL Draft

[Ford Fairlane]

Thanks to Lore for this great resource

 

[Ford Fairlane]

PJ Power mentioned this but don't you love how the draft has 3 Academy/Father Son bids matched in the first round and we don't move at all in the draft order. What a rort.

 

[El_Scorcho]

What you've shown there is precisely my issue. We have 3 A+ midfielders and hen drop do a B as our next best option. That is exactly the issue I'm talking about. The midfield is far too important a position for our back ups to be that much lower in grading to our best.

We have Wines, Rozee, Butters, JHF and Drew as our top 5 midfielders. We've also got players like SPP and Bergman who can go into the midfield and play a good role, with depth underneath that.

Which clubs have a player of Drew's quality as their 6th best mid?

You can argue that Wines is 30+, but every other club has frontline mids who are 30+

More midfield depth would be great but our midfield depth is hardly a disaster.

 

[Addy23]

PJ Power mentioned this but don't you love how the draft has 3 Academy/Father Son bids matched in the first round and we don't move at all in the draft order. What a rort.

You mean we don't move up? Because we certainly moved down
FWIW pick 50 became 45....... Oh wait

 

[Addy23]

We have Wines, Rozee, Butters, JHF and Drew as our top 5 midfielders. We've also got players like SPP and Bergman who can go into the midfield and play a good role, with depth underneath that.

Which clubs have a player of Drew's quality as their 6th best mid?

You can argue that Wines is 30+, but every other club has frontline mids who are 30+

More midfield depth would be great but our midfield depth is hardly a disaster.

And I can equally say our small forward line up hardly a disaster too.

Do you really think SPP and Bergman can go into the midfield and deliver the ball like Rozee, Butters and JHF? I have big question marks on that.

This type of midfielder is our biggest deficiency especially if you have one of those 3 on the bench and the other forward. I'm not even wanting a bull in there. I just want a good ball user.

The more I think about it the more I'm firming up Luke Kennedy at 38.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[SureBuddy]

If no trades are made, you would think something like the following happens:

• Richmond (Ruck / Mid / Small - KP's are already covered. Could see them going Dodson here. It is their last pick in the draft and they lack rucks. Nank is 30)
• Bulldogs (Surely KPD, they need them desperately. They have Lobb (31) and Liam Jones
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  (33) only)
• West Coast (mid surely, but they could go anything really)
• Bulldogs (Wouldn't be surprised to see a second KPD selected, however a ruck or small is an option too)
• Saints (they just have to pick a mid surely!? Their fans would lose their mind if they didn't)

In the ideal world, I could see Shanahan and Whitlock both being available at our pick still. At least one of them if West Coast went the other. However I just can't see this happening with someone like the Bombers doing everything to trade in.

 

[Addy23]

Reid is a flatline when it comes to emotions, even when he's playing. Even in his media interviews he's a bit awkward.

 

[PortVic]

We absolutely should be trying to trade up here to get Shanahan or Whitlock. Problem is, there will be a number of teams trying the same. Essendon are going to throw everything at Richmond to get that pick for Shanahan.

Our only real option is West Coast with 33 and 38 for 30 and 44. Nothing else is really possible

I think Whitlock will be there at our pick. Shanahan will have to trade up for him.

 

[El_Scorcho]

And I can equally say our small forward line up hardly a disaster too.

Do you really think SPP and Bergman can go into the midfield and deliver the ball like Rozee, Butters and JHF? I have big question marks on that.

Not every mid has to be an extractor, be big bodied, have elite hands and also an elite kick. Basically nobody has that skillset except for freaks like JHF.

Our small forward line seems a lot worse because with SPP out we spent most of last season playing at least 2 of McEntee, Evans and Narkle. Clearly our weakest position, and our depth dropped off far deeper at small forward than it did in the midfield.

Berry is a high half forward type and will likely end up being a midfield rotation.

 

[Addy23]

If Essendon could do us a real solid and trade up to take Jack Whitlock, I'll stop mocking their finals record forever.

 

[Addy23]

Not every mid has to be an extractor, be big bodied, have elite hands and also an elite kick. Basically nobody has that skillset except for freaks like JHF.

Our small forward line seems a lot worse because with SPP out we spent most of last season playing at least 2 of McEntee, Evans and Narkle. Clearly our weakest position, and our depth dropped off far deeper at small forward than it did in the midfield.

Berry is a high half forward type and will likely end up being a midfield rotation.

Again, I didn't say every mid needed to be that and tbh Reid wouldn't have been that. We just need another midfielder that has an elite disposals efficiency and decision making. I'm fine with the contested mids we have.

Before tonight, we had SPP, DBJ, Rioli, Richards + Barrett to add + Anasta and Charleson. I'll guarantee you McEntee plays some games next year. It's got nothing to do with our depth in that position.

I don't buy into the commentary of Berry becoming a midfielder. He's looked lost at times when he played for Bushrangers. He'll be a very good pure small forward.

 

[Lefti93]

Best mid and tall next 2 picks pls. Okay if it's 2 talls.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I'm not even going to try and speculate on who we pick. Seems the tall crop was not rated much at all by the clubs. GWS drafted a half back flanker with one of their teens picks rather than one of the highly rated talls (taking Shanahan with the other indicates they would have taken Berry if we did the trade with them).

If Macca is right about Clarke I expect us to take him with our next pick if he's still there.

Port's usually draft a mobile tall so Sims and Nicholls seem more likely targets, Whitlock if he's still there.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Whoever Josh Money says we are going for ... he seems to have a bit of an in at Port. He was the guy who ran the Draper doesn't want to be drafted by Adelaide story and had everyone scurrying for cover. Then he nailed the Berry pick before the draft.

Funnily enough, Draper was interviewed on SEN and asked about getting No.9 and was told that was already promised to another player. Good start for him

 

[Sewer de Lance]

Whoever manages Richmond’s list should get a bo

If no trades are made, you would think something like the following happens:

• Richmond (Ruck / Mid / Small - KP's are already covered. Could see them going Dodson here. It is their last pick in the draft and they lack rucks. Nank is 30)
• Bulldogs (Surely KPD, they need them desperately. They have Lobb (31) and Liam Jones (33) only)
• West Coast (mid surely, but they could go anything really)
• Bulldogs (Wouldn't be surprised to see a second KPD selected, however a ruck or small is an option too)
• Saints (they just have to pick a mid surely!? Their fans would lose their mind if they didn't)

In the ideal world, I could see Shanahan and Whitlock both being available at our pick still. At least one of them if West Coast went the other. However I just can't see this happening with someone like the Bombers doing everything to trade in.

Didn’t the Bulldogs draft Busslinger (KPD) last year?

With Scully delisted, Charlie to the V8s, Rat hopeless & Marshall one knock away from retirement, our next pick just has to be a KPF. Mind you, I’ve got high hopes on Xavier Walsh making an impact over the next two seasons, the kid has some weapons.

 

[Addy23]

I'm not even going to try and speculate on who we pick. Seems the tall crop was not rated much at all by the clubs. GWS drafted a half back flanker with one of their teens picks rather than one of the highly rated talls (taking Shanahan with the other indicates they would have taken Berry if we did the trade with them).

If Macca is right about Clarke I expect us to take him with our next pick if he's still there.

Port's usually draft a mobile tall so Sims and Nicholls seem more likely targets, Whitlock if he's still there.

GWS didn't need a tall though they have Hogan, Cadman and Riccardi and their gameplan is more focused on their small forwards. Whereas we are completely different....

Clarke, if Shanahan is not available, would be likely my pick too because his ceiling is really high. Then Luke Kennedy.

 

[x_les_x]

I reckon pick 38 will become our who? pick

 

[Addy23]

Whoever manages Richmond’s list should get a bo

Didn’t the Bulldogs draft Busslinger (KPD) last year?

With Scully delisted, Charlie to the V8s, Rat hopeless & Marshall one knock away from retirement, our next pick just has to be a KPF. Mind you, I’ve got high hopes on Xavier Walsh making an impact over the next two seasons, the kid has some weapons.

We just need to stick Walsh to one position instead of swinging him. Think he's got the aggression that I want to see in Lord

 

[Ford Fairlane]

GWS didn't need a tall though they have Hogan, Cadman and Riccardi and their gameplan is more focused on their small forwards. Whereas we are completely different....

Clarke, if Shanahan is not available, would be likely my pick too because his ceiling is really high. Then Luke Kennedy.

Yeah but Twomey thought they could go a mobile tall/second ruck type and linked them with Jack Whitlock with their first pick.

I mean they drafted a 180cm half back flanker. If we had drafted him you would have quit football

If the tall forwards were as good as people were suggesting they would have gone within the range of a normal first round.

 

[Honeyboy Wilson]

Considering we were preparing for a Jack Whitlock pick 16 scenario, I'd be absolutely pumped to get him with pick 33. I can't see how that would be a negative at that part of the draft at all.

 

[Rash]

Drew 5+ years left at a B level AFL mid
Rozee 7+ years left at a A+ AFL mid
Butters 7+ A+
JHF 9 + A+
Mead 7+ B (he's only 23)
J.Burgoyne, Sinn, Lorenz -all 10 years on the outside
Sinn, Jones, Bergman, Berry - a good case can be made for potential to play inside in the future at a high level
Barrett- now certain to be a Port player unless a bid comes in the next 11- an outside chance of being an AFL midfielder
Given Jase Burgoyne's DNA, a chance to become an inside mid of high quality. I saw his dad at 21 and his uncle at 20 and had no idea they would become key premiership winning inside mids at that time.
I have liked what I've seen from Jackson too but his progress has been too slow due to injury.

And I haven't even mentioned McEntee and Atkins yet

SPP (inside), Richards, Farrell. DBJ was recruited as a tagger and now that he is no longer a forward will be the ultimate utility.

If Drew is a B, Mead is a C

 

[Addy23]

Yeah but Twomey thought they could go a mobile tall/second ruck type and linked them with Jack Whitlock with their first pick.

I mean they drafted a 180cm half back flanker. If we had drafted him you would have quit football

If the tall forwards were as good as people were suggesting they would have gone within the range of a normal first round.

I did think that link to Whitlock was weird because separately elsewhere he said they might not go tall.

Shanahan sliding is a huge surprise. I would be keen to hear what recruiters think of that. He's got everything I want in a key forward.

 

[Addy23]

Considering we were preparing for a Jack Whitlock pick 16 scenario, I'd be absolutely pumped to get him with pick 33. I can't see how that would be a negative at that part of the draft at all.

I don't for a second believe there were strong links. Geoff Parker was questioned and he didn't give a positive answer on Jack whereas he did on Reid. Was talking about Jack's casual personality etc.

 

[manureid]

Have no reasons outside of watching the draft last night, but not that keen on the other Whitlock kid. No real basis, but just not sure either of them look the goods.

 

[Addy23]

Have no reasons outside of watching the draft last night, but not that keen on the other Whitlock kid. No real basis, but just not sure either of them look the goods.

Ruthless but fair