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This scenario is exactly why Gold Coast must overtake us this week
Talent can only take you so far. Jarryn Geary, Jason Blake, even currently Liam Stocker. None have or had elite skills but you just know they will give everything every time they step on a footy field.100% take drive over talent any day. That’s why Smillie scares me. Looked bored at times during the champs. Langford in comparison looked like he was desperate for people to see his talent.
YepYuck!
This scenario is exactly why Gold Coast must overtake us this week
I’d say so, they’ll probably view it as a something they desperately need. With a strong midfield top end they would probably back in the young stars they already have.I am not at all confident that Gold Coast can beat the Tigers let alone beat them by 8+ goals ....the only way I see GC overtaking us is for them to win and for us ... to lose
Also would Gold Coast seriously cough up pick 5 for Dan Rioli?
Even if he's a gun, he's the opposite of what we need in the midfield. If we draft him, we are essentially booking a trade for one of Clark or Windy as one of the mid-sized midfielders. There's absolutely no way you can play Pou, Clark, Reid all in the same midfield rotation on any given day, you'd get smoked by any opposition mid who has any ounce of leg speedReid is still on the board. He will be a gun
I get what you mean, but I don’t agree in the slightest with Windy!Even if he's a gun, he's the opposite of what we need in the midfield. If we draft him, we are essentially booking a trade for one of Clark or Windy as one of the mid-sized midfielders. There's absolutely no way you can play Pou, Clark, Reid, Windy all in the same midfield rotation on any given day, you'd get smoked by any opposition mid who has any ounce of leg speed
If we trade Clark this off-season then yes, Reid is a great option
I edited the post and removed Windy hahaI get what you mean, but I don’t agree in the slightest with Windy!
But if we get Lalor doesn't that fill the need? ... and then get Reid as well?Even if he's a gun, he's the opposite of what we need in the midfield. If we draft him, we are essentially booking a trade for one of Clark or Windy as one of the mid-sized midfielders. There's absolutely no way you can play Pou, Clark, Reid, Windy all in the same midfield rotation on any given day, you'd get smoked by any opposition mid who has any ounce of leg speed
If we trade Clark this off-season then yes, Reid is a great option
Lalor fills the need of a powerful contest mid/fwd so doesnt address speed. That's why I keep saying we should think about splitting the pick if we miss out on one of the 3 big guns (FOS, Jagga, Draper). Could easily find a way to get Hynes who is perfect for our lineupBut if we get Lalor doesn't that fill the need? ... and then get Reid as well?
What other speedy midfielders should we target with a pick in the top 10?
I don't think Langford is quick .... in fact he himself agrees
Didn't Reid win the Vic Metro MVP?Lalor fills the need of a powerful contest mid/fwd so doesnt address speed. That's why I keep saying we should think about splitting the pick if we miss out on one of the 3 big guns (FOS, Jagga, Draper). Could easily find a way to get Hynes who is perfect for our lineup
Langford wouldn't be terrible because he knows how to use his legs - he has natural game sense and backs himself to break away from packs. Reid always looks to handball and although that can be developed, I'd rather take the natural
I'd take Travaglia over Reid and I hate the idea of taking another half back hoping to transform them into a mid
Disagree. He is nothing like windy or Clark. You’re selling him really short. He is more steel Sidebottom.Even if he's a gun, he's the opposite of what we need in the midfield. If we draft him, we are essentially booking a trade for one of Clark or Windy as one of the mid-sized midfielders. There's absolutely no way you can play Pou, Clark, Reid all in the same midfield rotation on any given day, you'd get smoked by any opposition mid who has any ounce of leg speed
If we trade Clark this off-season then yes, Reid is a great option
Nothing like Clark is a bold take especially when you say he is like Sidebottom the sentence after. Sidebottom's point of difference was his ability to kick on both feet - Reid is comfortably a right-footer and in no way ambidextrousDisagree. He is nothing like windy or Clark. You’re selling him really short. He is more steel Sidebottom.
I think we just need talent. If he is the next most talented player at our pick, you take him.Nothing like Clark is a bold take especially when you say he is like Sidebottom the sentence after. Sidebottom's point of difference was his ability to kick on both feet - Reid is comfortably a right-footer and in no way ambidextrous
Furthermore, Cal Twomey is on record saying Reid will start his AFL career as a half back - the same way Clark did
Either way, Clark and Sidey are similar types of players anyway - slow, small, classy. We don't need any more of that package at all
Except its an even draft so the kids around Reid's range are much more likely than previous years to be as good if not better than him long-term. I'd prefer to punt on HottonI think we just need talent. If he is the next most talented player at our pick, you take him.
Also, the modern game is suited to players with leg speed and is leaving slower players behind so there's another limiting factor in Reid's upside
All the players you listed are either adequately quick without being super speedy or have a different physical attribute that separates them; height, muscle, running power etc. Reid has literally none of that; he's 180cm, slim, slow, and isn't like Jagga Smith where he's insanely agile. He also isn't a contested beastIs it really? There are a lot of very good mids who aren't particularly quick.
In fact, of the top 30 or so the only ones I'd say are particularly fast are Butters, Holmes, Treloar and Warner. Maybe Daicos, Merrett, Gulden, McCluggage, Neale are fairly fast but I wouldn't say it's the cornerstone of their game.
All the rest are much of a muchness: Bont, Cripps, Hayden Young, Tom Green, Steele, LDU, Anderson, Brayshaw, Serong, Flanders, Laird, Dunkley, Newcombe, Rowell, Walsh, Dawson, etc etc etc.
I don't think leg speed matters as much as people seem to think. Being in the right place at the right time, winning hard balls, making good decisions, having good disposal, and being good at evading tackles can more than make up for a lack of leg speed.
The only problem is when you're not quick and also have serious discrepancies in most of those other areas - Dunstan the obvious example but there are plenty more. But presumably we're not super excited about drafting anyone in those categories.
Reid has literally none of that; he's 180cm, slim, slow, and isn't like Jagga Smith where he's insanely agile. He also isn't a contested beast
100%I think it’s more the finally bloody finally the chance to build a good midfield.
I’m also kind of pissed in particular by the cheap late wins. All very well for a few wins late when the pressure is off, but where was this when it counted. Another wasted year and more missing out on the top line talent ( yep agree in the end who knows that we won’t get very good players out of it). And much greater chance outside of the top 5 that one will be a pretty meh player in the end.
I think fans are suddenly very rose coloured glasses about where we are really at.