2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[SteeleSaints]

Really not keen to trade the F1 possibly due to innate pessimism, but I am assuming we will be playing even more kids next year and I expect GC and Melb and Adelaide to be pushing up the ladder even North a bit. Essendon are pretty ordinary Rich may not win a game and WC will continue to flounder but other than that there will be a lot of good teams next year and we could be lower than this year. 8+4/5 for 10+11 would haunt us I suspect.

I expect that next year will likely have an elite top end of the draft like every other year just perhaps not the depth if we think we are a Top 8 team next year then trade the F1 if not hold IMO

Also would take the fun out of following next years draft

We dont know what movement is going on with our current listed players next year - we might end up with 2 x 1st rounders who knows. Plus the draft and academy rules change so we will then be able to trade 2 years in advance. Its why as a club I think it would be smart future planning to take equivalent players from SA & WA where possible. We only have to look at the Vic players playing interstate and the Kings ransom some clubs are prepared to pay to get the home state players back. We then need to back the clubs culture in and forget about the go home factor to a degree.

 

[Diehard Saint]

7/8 + F1 for 10+11 appeal to anyone?

I’ve heard something like this has been thrown up. But not sure which side has proposed it or what the likelihood is

8. Not 7.
Would seriously consider it.
But only on the night after pick 6 when teams are desperate and we know who is left.

 

[akaifu]

Really not keen to trade the F1 possibly due to innate pessimism, but I am assuming we will be playing even more kids next year and I expect GC and Melb and Adelaide to be pushing up the ladder even North a bit. Essendon are pretty ordinary Rich may not win a game and WC will continue to flounder but other than that there will be a lot of good teams next year and we could be lower than this year. 8+4/5 for 10+11 would haunt us I suspect.

I expect that next year will likely have an elite top end of the draft like every other year just perhaps not the depth if we think we are a Top 8 team next year then trade the F1 if not hold IMO

Also would take the fun out of following next years draft

Unless injury hits, we’d be pretty confident heading into 2025 with King back and another pre-season with Ross. Phillipou and Macrae bring a new look to our side through the mids. Sharman also turned a corner mid-2024. Only area that has regressed is Battle’s spot but hopefully we can find someone who can stick to that role - maybe McLennan albeit undersized

Next year’s top end is all academy; Uwland (GC), Addinsall (GC), Annable (BRIS)

So if our natural pick is around 6-8, it’ll get pushed out beyond 10 anyway

It’s also a kpp-heavy draft - particularly forwards - so not sure if that’s really a pressing need

 

[St Neil]

7/8 + F1 for 10+11 appeal to anyone?

I’ve heard something like this has been thrown up. But not sure which side has proposed it or what the likelihood is

I doubt Tigers do that. They will want as many picks under 12 as possible.

They might do 11 & 20 for 7. But I doubt we do that.

We might do 11 & 20 for 8. But I doubt they do that.

The difference between 7 & 8 could be huge in this draft.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[HeavenlySources]

I'm not directly questioning his doctors but some doctor out there also ticked off McCartin as fine after his issues. The risk is there regardless.

A club would need big balls to take someone who already has a concussion history with a top 10 pick,

Good thing we are the St Kilda ‘big balls’ Saints then

 

[sufficientintent]

I doubt Tigers do that. They will want as many picks under 12 as possible.

They might do 11 & 20 for 7. But I doubt we do that.

We might do 11 & 20 for 8. But I doubt they do that.

The difference between 7 & 8 could be huge in this draft.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

From all accounts 10+11 are absolutely off the table. Maybe 11 could squeeze into the deal with North for pick 2, but no chance they trade both unless they get an absurdly stupid offer

 

[TheJackal]

I doubt Tigers do that. They will want as many picks under 12 as possible.

They might do 11 & 20 for 7. But I doubt we do that.

We might do 11 & 20 for 8. But I doubt they do that.

The difference between 7 & 8 could be huge in this draft.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

7.5?

 

[Joffaboy]

I know Jake from SaintsTV posts this link himself, but I encourage you to have a look at this one.

Uses Draft guru to look at drafting since 2020. An excellent video on where we are going and the age profiles.

 

[St Neil]

From all accounts 10+11 are absolutely off the table. Maybe 11 could squeeze into the deal with North for pick 2, but no chance they trade both unless they get an absurdly stupid offer

I think 10 is definitely off the table.

They might use 11 (the latter of those two picks) and a pick in the 20s to leapfrog into 8. Maybe.

It would give Tigers 1, 6, 8 & 10.

If Tigers were really desperate they might even offer 11 & 18. But it would have to be a real slider and if that were the case we might then use pick 8 ourselves.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[True Believer]

From all accounts 10+11 are absolutely off the table. Maybe 11 could squeeze into the deal with North for pick 2, but no chance they trade both unless they get an absurdly stupid offer

If Richmond succeed on moving 6 & say 20 to North for pick 2, I could absolutely see them dealing 10 & 11 for 8 & F1. They move from 1, 6, 10, 11, 18, 20 to having 1, 2, 8, 18 etc,

That gives them the top 2 mids and likely the top KPP as well !!! Plus it sees them move to an extra 1st next year!
And for all the carry on about a lesser draft next year - that makes high picks more valuable, if it's shallower and more compromised, you need high picks to get anything of worth out of it......

It's also probably a sellers' market for our pick 8, because from a Richmond point of view, if they are going to lose pick 6 getting the number 2 pick off North (looking highly likely now) then we have the only viable pick they can access to get ahead of Melbourne's pick 9 for first crack at a tall !! Remember, it's quality not quantity. And if we can push the narrative to Richmond that GWS will offer 15, 16 & 21 for our pick 8 and some change, well, that turns into pick 10 & 11 pretty readily.

If we can walk out of this with 7, 10 & 11, I will be stoked.

 

[Joffaboy]

I doubt Tigers do that. They will want as many picks under 12 as possible.

They might do 11 & 20 for 7. But I doubt we do that.

We might do 11 & 20 for 8. But I doubt they do that.

The difference between 7 & 8 could be huge in this draft.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yeah, we here are pretty simplistic when it comes to trade (not having a go at you, I mean everyone) The trade for Macrae was so much more complex and was only completed in a mega trade after we had done a pick swap with Brisbane.

In isolation, you are correct, however pick swaps can also be a part of the deal as can a third club.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Good thing we are the St Kilda ‘big balls’ Saints then

**** that better not be the new logo we’re unveiling…

 

[Tommy Wigs]

IMO best case North take Tarau at 6 and we have 2 of Smillie/Langford/Reid to build our midfield on however if that doesn't happen and only one of those 3 is available at 7 who do we want at 8. Seems there are a couple of ways to go.

1. The next bunch of guys who could become midfielders

• Travaglia - Standout HB possible he could move to midfield agile running machine out of HB
• Lindsay - HB Wing with more mid credentials than other 2 very good kick strong up and back runner Darcy Wilson without the extreme running ability but a better kick.
• Hotton - Fast can find the footy has lots of tricks and kicks goals - Is probably more forward than mid, ACL and very limited game time to assess

2. The Battle Replacement

• Tarau - Athletic freak, brave and great in the air - Suspect kick and decision maker
• Trainor - Elite user and interceptor controls the backline - Plays loose backs himself to read the play better than his opponent one on one questionable

NOTE: On Trainor and the Concussion this seems like it was a complete beat up possibly started by a club hoping he would slide. He doesn't even believe he was concussed, has no history of concussion, and is furious at all the misinformation impacting his draft position.

3. The short full forward who inexplicably multiple Bigfooty phantoms keep saying we need

• Armstrong - Takes marks and kicks goals in big moments - Undersized by todays standards doesn't get up the ground much inconsistent output

Personally I really like Travaglia from the first group he seems to have gone off the boil on the hype train but he fits Ross's game plan perfectly and I think has the highest upside/chance of being elite. Trainor is my pick of the second group he just screams leader and that intercepting distributor role is critical in todays footy (Cole and Hoffman can do the lockdown roles).

I am OK with either of them.

Do not want Armstrong is this years Matt Jefferson had a few big moments in one game we all watched.
Don't think Lindsay ends up as a centre square mid and we have his skill set covered already
Tarau is athlete first and has a big upside I just prefer the footballer in Trainor
Hotton is just too many questions at 8

I like most of your thinking here. Very interesting on Trainor. Also interesting is how far Cal has him slipping down his own rankings.

Can’t say I agree with Armstrong size wise. Isn’t he 195? Looks like he’ll fill out to be a big guy. What level he gets to is another question though.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

7/8 + F1 for 10+11 appeal to anyone?

I’ve heard something like this has been thrown up. But not sure which side has proposed it or what the likelihood is

I’ve raised this as a bit of a dream result depending on who gets to 8. Not impossible if Richmond really like someone at 8 (probably more likely would need to be a tall for them to want to jump up).

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I like most of your thinking here. Very interesting on Trainor. Also interesting is how far Cal has him slipping down his own rankings.

Can’t say I agree with Armstrong size wise. Isn’t he 195? Looks like he’ll fill out to be a big guy. What level he gets to is another question though.

Jeremy Cameron is 196, Josh Kennedy was 195.
There has never been a clear connection of taller to more goals.
Its not like he's a total Membrey sort of shortarse.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

A couple that I think we’ll go higher than slated at the moment - Barrat and Hamish Davis. Barrat is not tall for a KPP, but we’ve seen how often that is not a hindrance and vice versa with the really tall guys. Can play forward and back. Even played midfield. And Davis - did exceptionally well against the men in finals no less. His kicking style isn’t superb, but is super strong and Ross would love his massive tank.

Perhaps even Kade Herbert. He was highly rated last year, perhaps hasn’t met expectations. I remember when Houston looked great in his bottom age year. Then lesser top age year and slipped to the rookie draft.

 

[Mangus]

Jeremy Cameron is 196, Josh Kennedy was 195.
There has never been a clear connection of taller to more goals.
Its not like he's a total Membrey sort of shortarse.

You are both correct his height is probably not the problem I just don't think he is that good or even better than the other key forwards in this draft - Really none of them excite me at all there will be better ones in next years draft

 

[EconomicDecline]

Pick 8 for Norf's Future 1st. They'll be bottom 4 again.

Then next year offer LDU a boatload. If they match, trade them back their pick.

 

[saint66au]

I doubt Tigers do that. They will want as many picks under 12 as possible.

They might do 11 & 20 for 7. But I doubt we do that.

We might do 11 & 20 for 8. But I doubt they do that.

The difference between 7 & 8 could be huge in this draft.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Exactly,...Pick 7 is the last of the genuine mids unless Armstrong or someone else goes early. Pick 8 is a hybrid mid or KPP

 

[stavro#4]

Pick 8 for Norf's Future 1st. They'll be bottom 4 again.

Then next year offer LDU a boatload. If they match, trade them back their pick.

Why would we trade out of this draft?

Even if north finish 17th.

As of right now that stands to be pick 4 next year.

Uwland McGuane pick 18 all ahead.

 

[Joffaboy]

Further to Jakes video. I put together a list of young player that I think will be our core going forward and where we are on age and game profile.

Others not included Collard, Hastie, Garcia, Shoenmaker, Hotton, Keeler, either too few or no games (although I think Garcia and Hastie will make it and Shoenmaker a chance, Keeler and Hotton not sure)

Also bare in mind, Higgins (43), Dow (73), Stocker (28) and Henry (43) all have played a number of seasons and games for other clubs

Player	Age	Height	Weight	Games
Jack Higgins	25yr	178cm	82kg	79​
Cooper Sharman	24yr	194cm	88kg	49​
Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera	21yr	187cm	76kg	63​
Mitch Owens	21yr	191cm	91kg	53​
Marcus Windhager	21yr	185cm	85kg	52​
Mattaes Phillipou	19yr	190cm	89kg	37​
Anthony Caminiti	20yr	196cm	85kg	33​
Liam Stocker	24yr	184cm	86kg	39​
Paddy Dow	24yr	185cm	83kg	10​
Liam Henry	23yr	180cm	76kg	12​
Darcy Wilson	18yr	185cm	74kg	23​

The age and games profile are looking pretty good for the above players, we add some young talent with two top rated mids, a swingman/ tall for a second, the NGA's and maybe FS and we have a good talented list of core players for the next decade.

 

[Saints TV]

Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[St Neil]

I know Jake from SaintsTV posts this link himself, but I encourage you to have a look at this one.

Uses Draft guru to look at drafting since 2020. An excellent video on where we are going and the age profiles.

It was interesting watching that.

What is clear is that our age demographic is right. A cluster of players coming through at the same time.

The 2023 National Draft looks very promising. It’s possible that every player Saints selected in that Draft develops into a fine AFL footballer. That would be unusual for any club. Early days, but there is cause for optimism.

We have also nailed our first selection at all Drafts since 2020. Higgins (a trade with Tigers in the COVID draft), NWM, Phillipou and Wilson. All look to be key players in our next Flag tilt.

Finally, selecting best 22 players among the lucky dip mechanisms outside of the National Draft has fast tracked our progression. Wood, Stocker, Sharman, Caminiti. That’s where progress is turbo charged.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Mighty_sainter]

Why would we trade out of this draft?

Even if north finish 17th.

As of right now that stands to be pick 4 next year.

Uwland McGuane pick 18 all ahead.

McGuane more towards pick 30

 

[SteeleSaints]

Further to Jakes video. I put together a list of young player that I think will be our core going forward and where we are on age and game profile.

Others not included Collard, Hastie, Garcia, Shoenmaker, Hotton, Keeler, either too few or no games (although I think Garcia and Hastie will make it and Shoenmaker a chance, Keeler and Hotton not sure)

Also bare in mind, Higgins (43), Dow (73), Stocker (28) and Henry (43) all have played a number of seasons and games for other clubs

Player	Age	Height	Weight	Games
Jack Higgins	25yr	178cm	82kg	79​
Cooper Sharman	24yr	194cm	88kg	49​
Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera	21yr	187cm	76kg	63​
Mitch Owens	21yr	191cm	91kg	53​
Marcus Windhager	21yr	185cm	85kg	52​
Mattaes Phillipou	19yr	190cm	89kg	37​
Anthony Caminiti	20yr	196cm	85kg	33​
Liam Stocker	24yr	184cm	86kg	39​
Paddy Dow	24yr	185cm	83kg	10​
Liam Henry	23yr	180cm	76kg	12​
Darcy Wilson	18yr	185cm	74kg	23​

The age and games profile are looking pretty good for the above players, we add some young talent with two top rated mids, a swingman/ tall for a second, the NGA's and maybe FS and we have a good talented list of core players for the next decade.

A good list I think you could safely add Garcia and Hastie they are sure bets. Shoenmaker and Keeler better than 75% but Hotton is a complete unknown. Stocker and Dow had better have big pre seasons as they are the two on that table would be most at jeopardy of losing the positions in the side. Stocker seriously needs to drop 5-7kgs of bulk and trim down to get more run into his game, Dow just needs to stay on the paddock and perform.

I notice you havent included Max King just an over sight I gather.