2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[stavro#4]

Didn't say it was good, also said we should draft two quality mids. Have been on the mids bandwagon for a decade.
However I did not find it a fluke we beat Sydney, Geelong, Carlton, Essendon etc once we got a semblance of our mids back.
We need mids but not more 'bang average' mids if that's all that is left.

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I agree we shouldn’t draft a mid to say we did.

Which is why sliding back from 8 should be a really high option - unless they love and believe Murphy Reid is a midfielder at the top level

 

[TheJackal]

If what SteeleSaints posted happens and we get pick 2 for 8+F1.

That pretty much the situation infront of us unless Melbourne at 5 or Richmond at 6 get spooked into taking a Key position talent or Murphy Reid.

Whether North have 6 or 8, it's still the same as before in my opinion. They still pick before Melbourne's pick 9.

So all we'd need is for Melbourne or Richmond to flinch and take a tall before 7.

I'm beginning to think it won't happen, which is why pick 2 is so enticing for us and worth the jump. FOS/Lalor and Reid/Tauru would be worst case scenario if the top 6 mids all go before us.

If we somehow grabbed Norths F2, that could be valuable paired up with our 32 or 47 to move back to an early second rounder.

 

[BrutThough]

I think the right decision would need to be trading down for multiple picks - like GWS and getting the best of both worlds. (Or attempting too)

Getting 15 and 16 would be my preference. Ideally, Hotton falls to 15 and then a tall with the other.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I am a swinging voter depending on availability - but atm I would prefer the trading pick #8 option.

Taking two quality players over a single key defender is a much better prospect IMO. Just think about the other clubs around that point of the draft, they will be wrapt with who they get in this draft and we could get two players instead of one. A combination of Lindsay and Shanahan or Hynes and J Whitlock are mouth watering.

Unrelated: but a player who is flying under the radar is Logan Smith 204cm the GWS academy ruckman. He is rated the 2nd best ruckman in the draft after Dodson and we would be well placed to bid on him with our 2nd round pick #32.

Verrry hard to see Lindsay there at that point

 

[akaifu]

All the people wanting to keep our future first are the people who haven’t bothered to look at next year’s crop of draftees

Dyson Sharp
Willem Duursma
Fred Rodriguez
Oliver Greeves

The only top mids worthy of top 10 selection atm. Sharp and Duursma the only elite ones, others have question marks

Everyone else is tied to a club; Uwland, McGuane, Addinsall, Annable, Latanis, Patterson, Chamberlain, White amongst others

Or they are a key forward; Ludowyke, Hay amongst others

Unless we finish bottom four, we are not getting any of the top tier mids, and will have restricted access to tier 2

A Hotton/Hynes/Lindsay/Travaglia with an extra year of development would be seen as a lot more beneficial

If we finish around 10-14 next year, that pick 5-9 likely turns into 9-16ish, basically the same thing as if we traded in for this year. And that’s a pessimist’s view. Imagine we finish 6-10 and end up with 16-21ish in a kpp draft…

There’s a clear reason why we are actively shopping our F1. Clubs don’t want to have an early pick next year

 

[Fehring]

Phillipou becomes our absolute top flight mid supported by Macrae and Steele even and that is right up there. That's enough quality to compete and good depth in Dow, Clark, Jones, Garcia etc. Our strength is the outside run with Henry, Wilson, Hill and Wood. If we had Macrae this year we probably play finals. Potentially even if Dow and Henry stay fit we are competitive.

Looking at his draft year highlights, I think Wilson has the tools to be a centre square mid. His clearance work was very good, at least in this highlights. I'd love to see him graduate into there. And Ross clearly thinks Henry can play centre square too.

 

[stavro#4]

Whether North have 6 or 8, it's still the same as before in my opinion. They still pick before Melbourne's pick 9.

So all we'd need is for Melbourne or Richmond to flinch and take a tall before 7.

I'm beginning to think it won't happen, which is why pick 2 is so enticing for us and worth the jump. FOS/Lalor and Reid/Tauru would be worst case scenario if the top 6 mids all go before us.

If we somehow grabbed Norths F2, that could be valuable paired up with our 32 or 47 to move back to an early second rounder.

No I think you have that wrong.

It appears to be a forgone conclusion that North are taking Tauru and if he isn’t there it’s Armstrong.

But there is no need for Melbourne to reach for a tall at 5 now they have 9 and Richmond have 10-11 to fall back on and can still take Trainor or Shanahan

The only prospects at the minute who could throw a cat amongst the pigeons is Murphy Reid.

 

[Mangus]

All the people wanting to keep our future first are the people who haven’t bothered to look at next year’s crop of draftees

Dyson Sharp
Willem Duursma
Fred Rodriguez
Oliver Greeves

The only top mids worthy of top 10 selection atm. Sharp and Duursma the only elite ones, others have question marks

Everyone else is tied to a club; Uwland, McGuane, Addinsall, Annable, Latanis, Patterson, Chamberlain, White amongst others

Or they are a key forward; Ludowyke, Hay amongst others

Unless we finish bottom four, we are not getting any of the top tier mids, and will have restricted access to tier 2

A Hotton/Hynes/Lindsay/Travaglia with an extra year of development would be seen as a lot more beneficial

If we finish around 10-14 next year, that pick 5-9 likely turns into 9-16ish, basically the same thing as if we traded in for this year. And that’s a pessimist’s view. Imagine we finish 6-10 and end up with 16-21ish in a kpp draft…

There’s a clear reason why we are actively shopping our F1. Clubs don’t want to have an early pick next year

That is what we can see now. Will be very different in 12 months time

Just a quick check on the Draft board and this time last year this was one draft followers rankings of some of the now first round candidates

1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh/Vic Country 181cm - cousin of Sam Walsh, great over head, good user of the footy, smooth mover in traffic
2. Sid Draper - Sth Adel 180cm - one of the better mids for SA at the u18s champs, good work rate and good movement through the midfield
3. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham(Bris FS) 179cm - small forward who can also accumulate in the midfield, has slowly moved up the rankings with quality performances
4. Josh Smillie - Eastern 194cm - tall midfielder type, who can also play hbf well, good vision and positioning
6. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh 181cm - accumulator midfielder, good goal kicker, good agility and movement
7. Leonardo Lombard - GCS A 178cm - a fantastic midfielder who took a few big steps in the CTL and VFL, rising up the draft boards
11. Tom Gross - Oakleigh 180cm - tough contested midfielder, goes in without fear which is a good trait, a bit erratic
12. Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo 187cm - watching bendigo he would steal the show with his intercepting and general quality play off hbf/hff
17. Jesse Dattoli - Northern 178cm - a small forward who had a strong year, looked good for VM as well
20. Lucas Camporeale - Glenlg 182cm (Carl FS) - was top tier winger/mid at the u16s, dropped off a little this year in sanfl u18s form
21. Ben Camporeale - Glenlg 184cm (Carl FS) - moved from hbf to midfield this year and boosted his value, so i have put them together in the rankings
24. Sam Marshall - Bris A/Sand 185cm - accumulator mid, stood out for Brisbane in their CTL games, had a good game for QLD as well
25. Zak Johnson - Northern 185cm - quality kick of the footy, kicking stood out at the u16s, has been good this year in the CTL and rep at stages too
30. Sam Lalor - GWV 187cm - strong midfielder, played well in CTL and for VC
31. Xavier Lindsay - Gippsland 182cm - good midfielder from Gipps, good u16s form and a good year in the CTL this year
34. Bo Allan - Peel 188cm - solid 3rd tall def, one of WA's best performing players as an underager
35. Murphy Reid - Sand 181cm - had a few quality moments in the u18s champs and was a solid contributor for sandy this year
40. Cooper Hynes - Dand 188cm - mid - tough mid with good disposal, has a bit of run in the legs but could improve in that area
46. Harvey Langford - Dand 188cm - mid
47. Luke Trainor - Sand 193cm - KPD
And Taj Hotton as outside the top 60

Very dangerous making assumptions 12 months out both on where we will finish and who will be in the top 10

 

[stavro#4]

That is what we can see now. Will be very different in 12 months time

Just a quick check on the Draft board and this time last year this was one draft followers rankings of some of the now first round candidates

1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh/Vic Country 181cm - cousin of Sam Walsh, great over head, good user of the footy, smooth mover in traffic
2. Sid Draper - Sth Adel 180cm - one of the better mids for SA at the u18s champs, good work rate and good movement through the midfield
3. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham(Bris FS) 179cm - small forward who can also accumulate in the midfield, has slowly moved up the rankings with quality performances
4. Josh Smillie - Eastern 194cm - tall midfielder type, who can also play hbf well, good vision and positioning
6. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh 181cm - accumulator midfielder, good goal kicker, good agility and movement
7. Leonardo Lombard - GCS A 178cm - a fantastic midfielder who took a few big steps in the CTL and VFL, rising up the draft boards
11. Tom Gross - Oakleigh 180cm - tough contested midfielder, goes in without fear which is a good trait, a bit erratic
12. Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo 187cm - watching bendigo he would steal the show with his intercepting and general quality play off hbf/hff
17. Jesse Dattoli - Northern 178cm - a small forward who had a strong year, looked good for VM as well
20. Lucas Camporeale - Glenlg 182cm (Carl FS) - was top tier winger/mid at the u16s, dropped off a little this year in sanfl u18s form
21. Ben Camporeale - Glenlg 184cm (Carl FS) - moved from hbf to midfield this year and boosted his value, so i have put them together in the rankings
24. Sam Marshall - Bris A/Sand 185cm - accumulator mid, stood out for Brisbane in their CTL games, had a good game for QLD as well
25. Zak Johnson - Northern 185cm - quality kick of the footy, kicking stood out at the u16s, has been good this year in the CTL and rep at stages too
30. Sam Lalor - GWV 187cm - strong midfielder, played well in CTL and for VC
31. Xavier Lindsay - Gippsland 182cm - good midfielder from Gipps, good u16s form and a good year in the CTL this year
34. Bo Allan - Peel 188cm - solid 3rd tall def, one of WA's best performing players as an underager
35. Murphy Reid - Sand 181cm - had a few quality moments in the u18s champs and was a solid contributor for sandy this year
40. Cooper Hynes - Dand 188cm - mid - tough mid with good disposal, has a bit of run in the legs but could improve in that area
46. Harvey Langford - Dand 188cm - mid
47. Luke Trainor - Sand 193cm - KPD
And Taj Hotton as outside the top 60

Very dangerous making assumptions 12 months out both on where we will finish and who will be in the top 10

The top 7 thought haven’t really changed in terms of their talent identification. So that doesn’t make him wrong.

This draft is seen as deep with the amount of kids who have come on this year. That’s an exception. Not the rule

 

[akaifu]

That is what we can see now. Will be very different in 12 months time

Just a quick check on the Draft board and this time last year this was one draft followers rankings of some of the now first round candidates

1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh/Vic Country 181cm - cousin of Sam Walsh, great over head, good user of the footy, smooth mover in traffic
2. Sid Draper - Sth Adel 180cm - one of the better mids for SA at the u18s champs, good work rate and good movement through the midfield
3. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham(Bris FS) 179cm - small forward who can also accumulate in the midfield, has slowly moved up the rankings with quality performances
4. Josh Smillie - Eastern 194cm - tall midfielder type, who can also play hbf well, good vision and positioning
6. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh 181cm - accumulator midfielder, good goal kicker, good agility and movement
7. Leonardo Lombard - GCS A 178cm - a fantastic midfielder who took a few big steps in the CTL and VFL, rising up the draft boards
11. Tom Gross - Oakleigh 180cm - tough contested midfielder, goes in without fear which is a good trait, a bit erratic
12. Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo 187cm - watching bendigo he would steal the show with his intercepting and general quality play off hbf/hff
17. Jesse Dattoli - Northern 178cm - a small forward who had a strong year, looked good for VM as well
20. Lucas Camporeale - Glenlg 182cm (Carl FS) - was top tier winger/mid at the u16s, dropped off a little this year in sanfl u18s form
21. Ben Camporeale - Glenlg 184cm (Carl FS) - moved from hbf to midfield this year and boosted his value, so i have put them together in the rankings
24. Sam Marshall - Bris A/Sand 185cm - accumulator mid, stood out for Brisbane in their CTL games, had a good game for QLD as well
25. Zak Johnson - Northern 185cm - quality kick of the footy, kicking stood out at the u16s, has been good this year in the CTL and rep at stages too
30. Sam Lalor - GWV 187cm - strong midfielder, played well in CTL and for VC
31. Xavier Lindsay - Gippsland 182cm - good midfielder from Gipps, good u16s form and a good year in the CTL this year
34. Bo Allan - Peel 188cm - solid 3rd tall def, one of WA's best performing players as an underager
35. Murphy Reid - Sand 181cm - had a few quality moments in the u18s champs and was a solid contributor for sandy this year
40. Cooper Hynes - Dand 188cm - mid - tough mid with good disposal, has a bit of run in the legs but could improve in that area
46. Harvey Langford - Dand 188cm - mid
47. Luke Trainor - Sand 193cm - KPD
And Taj Hotton as outside the top 60

Very dangerous making assumptions 12 months out both on where we will finish and who will be in the top 10

That’s not close to the point

My point was that there are academy guys throughout the 2025 first round, so people thinking we’ll get a better pick haven’t evaluated the full situation. Our picks this year will slide…next year’s will slide significantly more

If people think we’ll finish bottom 4 next year then feel free to keep theorising about keeping the pick. I know for sure that isn’t how Ross SOS etc see our fortunes

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

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There’s less than a month to go until the 2024 AFL national draft.
Here’s the latest news from around the country.

WILL TIGERS, ROOS DO A PICK SWAP?​

Much intrigue remains over whether Richmond and North Melbourne will do a deal which could land the Tigers the first two picks in this year’s national draft.
It is believed that the Kangaroos are open to trading pick two and a future first-round selection to Richmond, in exchange for picks six and 11 in this year’s draft.
Such a deal would still leave the Tigers with seven early selections this year — at picks 1, 2, 10, 19, 20, 23 and 24 — along with two first-round picks next year.

Could the Tigers be planning a major move? Picture: Josh Chadwick/AFL Photos via Getty Images
It would also give North Melbourne access to a second high-end talent in this year’s bumper draft as the club looks to accelerate its rebuild.
The Kangaroos have said publicly that they would “entertain a slide” from pick two, with their focus not being on some of the high-end midfielders at the pointy end of this draft.
North Melbourne has been heavily linked to Gippsland Power utility Alix Tauru, who the Kangaroos could likely still snag at pick six.

Clubs can trade picks leading up to and during the draft.

DRAFT BOLTER FIRMS – AND NO GO-HOME CONCERN​

The go-home factor has long been a concern for AFL recruiters.
But there is nothing to worry about for non-Victorian clubs with the draft’s biggest bolter Alix Tauru — besides the fact he may be off the board.
While some prospects would prefer to stay in their current state, the intercept king is more than happy to say goodbye to his home town of Warragul, 105km out of Melbourne.
“(Warragul is) pretty good, it’s expanding at the minute, but it’d be understatement if I said I wasn’t keen to get out of there,” Tauru said with a smile
“It is good communities with all the connections I’ve made from schools and all that and just people I know, but I would be keen to see some nicer golf courses and also weather.”
“I’ve always expressed when they ask me these questions, like West Coast or the Gold Coast, I’m more than happy to go anywhere, anywhere that’s willing to welcome me into the environment, I’d be happy to live there.
“Especially the lifestyle of somewhere like maybe Adelaide or Gold Coast or West Coast, I’d be more than happy to experience new life changes.”

Alix Tauru is attracting interest. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images
However, it appears increasingly likely he will remain in Victoria anyway given Adelaide is the only club with a selection inside the top 10.
North Melbourne, which holds pick two, Melbourne (five) and Richmond (six) have shown strong interest in the athletic 193 centimetre prospect.
It is understood Adelaide at pick four is unlikely to take him as they eye a midfielder.
Tauru has surged into top-10 contention after an eye-catching back-half of the year for the Gippsland Power and an impressive draft combine.
The high-leaping talent, who can play at either end, won the running vertical jump test and ran the 2km time trial in 6 minutes and 35 seconds.
It has been a whirlwind six months for Tauru, but he is keeping a level head.
“There’s always chances and possibilities, but even if someone was talking about where I might land, I wouldn’t like to hear it anyway,” Tauru said.
“It’s just a bunch of people talk, but I just let them talk amongst themselves. I don’t want to let it get in my head or expectations or anything. I’d be happy anywhere.”
Tauru main goal this year was just to stay on the park after his bottom-age year was wiped out by three ankle injuries and a finger setback.

“I think I just had to prove myself as a half back that I can read the play, I can trust my instincts and read where the ball is and mark it, use my athleticism,” Tauru said.​

“So it was just a real confidence thing. I had gain the trust of the coaches to put me in these positions to really play to my strengths and use all my attributes.”
He regularly gets sent draft power rankings by his family and friends which show his meteoric rise.
But the quietly confident prospect doesn’t need the validation.
“It’s more for them, it makes mum happy seeing that because she is obviously not as involved in it as I am,” Tauru said.
“I put my best foot forward and really think I’m playing my best footy and I can stack up against pretty much anyone.
“It’s good recognition but I don’t get wrapped up in it too much. It’s nothing set in stone.”

THE KEY FORWARD WHO ‘COPIED’ ESSENDON CHAMPION’S ROUTINE​

The best key forward in this year’s draft class copied the goalkicking approach of a former Essendon champion but could instead be pulling on a Melbourne jumper next year.
Recruiters lauded Harry Armstrong for his marking this season, along with the fact that he “kicks goals, not behinds” when opportunities present.
That has not always been the case, though, with Armstrong being forced to get to work on his goalkicking last year.
He regularly stayed back after training and worked to bed down a routine with his school coach at Haileybury College, Matthew Lloyd.
“It wasn’t always natural. It’s something I’ve worked hard at,” Armstrong said of his goalkicking.
“It’s pretty much thanks to Lloydy, to be honest. Last year I kicked a lot of points and then I got to work on it after almost every training session with Lloydy. He showed me the technique he thought was best and I just copied it, pretty much. It hasn’t let me down so far.”
Across three games for Vic Metro during the under-18 national championships this year, Armstrong kicked 9.3 at 75 per cent accuracy.

Harry Armstrong could be the best forward available. Picture: Martin Keep/AFL Photos via Getty Images
In the Coates Talent League with the Sandringham Dragons he kicked 27 goals at 61.4 per cent accuracy, while there was also a 10-goal haul for Haileybury this year.
“He’s been an inspiration,” Armstrong said of Lloyd.
“I’ve learnt so much from him as well. Playing as a key forward, having him as your coach, there wouldn’t be too many better. He’s so invested and I’ve got so much out of him.”
A Geelong fan, Armstrong models his game on Jeremy Cameron

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and similarly works hard up the ground to provide a marking option.
The 195cm forward’s contested marking stood out this year, along with his speed, athleticism and an improved ground ball game.
Rival clubs believe Melbourne (pick five) could be first to pounce on Armstrong in next month’s draft, potentially getting in before St Kilda.
Armstrong said he felt he had developed strongly this year after not being exposed to the Coates Talent League in 2023 due to a “random” hip infection late in the season.
“Coming in this year I was just wanting to play as many games as possible,” he said.
“The more games I played, the more confident I was in myself.”

NO ISSUES FOR TRAINOR AFTER KNOCK​

Highly-rated defender Luke Trainor says he had no ongoing issues from a concussion in September that saw him miss out on playing in a Coates Talent League premiership.
Trainor has sustained multiple head knocks over the past two years, which have been a talking point in the lead up to the draft.
However, the Sandringham Dragons product quickly recovered from the latest knock and sat out testing at the draft combine earlier this month due to an unrelated hip issue.
“It’s all good. I was running the day after or two days after,” Trainor said of the recent concussion, which occurred in a quarter-final win over the Calder Cannons.
“Then I wasn’t going to play again for the season, I just took time off and then ramped up training in the last couple of weeks. I tried to get right but my hips sort of flared up a bit.”

Luke Trainor says he has no lingering injuries. Picture: Paul Kane/AFL Photos/via Getty Images
Trainor spent the Grand Final on the Dragons’ bench, helping with interchange rotations.
However, he had been part of Brighton Grammar’s unbeaten title-winning side in the APS competition in August.
“Going 10-0 is something that’s pretty hard to do and a lot goes behind the scenes of it,” Trainor said.
“Even though we’ve got such a talented team, we nearly lost some games and it’s really hard work to win 10 games in a row.”

GOALSNEAK’S WORK WITH TRADED PIE​

A Collingwood turned Port Adelaide forward played a part in Murray Bushrangers goalsneak Joe Berry’s strong pre-season that saw him start the year with a bang.
Berry plays his local footy with the Wangaratta Magpies, where Joe Richards was plucked from by Collingwood in 2022 after turning heads in the in the Ovens & Murray league.
Having seen Richards wreak havoc at local level, Berry got the chance to learn off him over the summer.
“I used to go up and watch Joe and how he went about it and back then he was dominating,” Berry said.
“He’s had a great year (with Collingwood) as well, but I actually did a bit of sessions over summer with him and caught up with him a couple of times. It was pretty cool to see how he goes about it, he super clean and quick, so that’s something I try to bring into my game.
“I knew him alright before he left to Collingwood, but we’ve got the same manager as well.
“It was great to pick his brain and whatnot, so it was cool.”

Joe Berry. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images

It is not out of the realms of possibility that Berry ends up playing alongside Richards at the Power, who is in need of another quality small forward.
Port Adelaide is among a group of clubs in the 10-20 range to show interest in the speedy small forward, the Power holding pick 13 which they received in the Dan Houston

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mega-trade.
Berry has another Collingwood connection through Wangaratta in premiership player Ben Reid

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.
As senior coach of Wangaratta, Reid gave Berry the chance to play against men as a 17-year-old last year.
But the Pies are well out of the picture for Berry, only entering this year’s draft at pick 52.
A dynamic 181 centimetre forward, Berry lit up the Coates Talent League with 16 goals in his first five games and also impressed for Vic Country.
He says his hot start to the season was off the back of hard work.
“At the start I just had a really big pre-season and having that confidence in my body and just doing a lot of the sessions and doing extra stuff was pretty big over pre-season,” Berry said.
“Weight sessions, running sessions. But also kind of before I went back to Bushies, I was pretty big on continuing to do my craft. So a lot of ground balls, a lot of craft around goal stuff and it held me in good stead.”

Joe Richards recently moved to the Power. Picture: Quinn Rooney/Getty Images
Berry loves watching Hawthorn All-Australian Dylan Moore

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go about his business – but he is also no chance of joining the Hawks given their first pick is at 33.
“Some of his workrate is something I try to bring into my game,” Berry said.
“Also Toby Greene

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as well, because he is that hybrid who can play up the ground but also deep. Also a past player as well is Robbie Gray

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3.5

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1.4

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13.3

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6.0

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7.3

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2.4

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, I have watched a fair bit of his football and he is just so dynamic.”

HOW MANY PICKS WILL THERE BE?​

Clubs are expecting about 65 selections to be made in November’s national draft, “give or take” a few.
Richmond is likely to secure at least seven players, but the majority of clubs are planning to use three to four selections.
Some clubs with the option to select up to four players will consider who is left on the board with at their final pick and whether to use it or instead invite players to train on over summer via the Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period.
While clubs are bullish on this year’s draft, scouts also believe that there are good delisted free agents available who could add depth to some lists.
An early list of draft nominations was circulated to clubs this week, with 504 players listed.
Draft nominations close on November 13.



DRAGONS RUNNER A ‘GOOD DRAFT SMOKEY’
Top-five draft prospect Levi Ashcroft has declared teammate Jhett Haeata a “good draft smokey” as he attracts a little bit of late interest from clubs.
Haeata finished third behind Ashcroft and Luke Kennedy in the Sandringham Dragons’ best and fairest count this year.
He missed the club’s premiership after suffering a broken arm in round 16, but showed strong abilities in the middle part of the Coates Talent League season in a range of positions.
“He’s gone very under-the-radar,” Ashcroft said.

“He’s a great runner, really smart and he kicked heaps of goals throughout the season playing a bit of midfield, forward, wings. He’s a very versatile player, which I’m sure clubs are going to be attracted to that. He’s a real talent and he’ll be a good draft smokey.”​

Haeata told his story to CODE Sports last week, revealing he was forced to move schools because of relentless bullying and then got in with the wrong crowd before getting his life back on track through football.
He attended the Victorian state draft combine earlier this month.

FOOTBALL COMMUNITY FAREWELLS TOCE​

A memorial service was held for former Richmond and St Kilda recruiting manager Chris Toce on Thursday, with strong attendance from across the football community.
Attendees described the service as “raw” and “moving”, with Toce having been a respected recruiter who showed great dedication to his job.
He worked at Collingwood (2010-14) and St Kilda (2015-2023), before joining Richmond as the club’s national recruiting manager in March this year.
Toce lost his battle with an aggressive form of cancer last Wednesday morning, age 41.

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[Armoooo]

The top 7 thought haven’t really changed in terms of their talent identification. So that doesn’t make him wrong.

This draft is seen as deep with the amount of kids who have come on this year. That’s an exception. Not the rule

But multiple players outside the top 30 are now considered top 5 chances.

Definitely far too early to say that the top 10 will be dominated by academy players.

Guys like Oliver and Bont weren't in the conversation a year ahead of the start and if we give up a pick that ends up being top 5, that's who we could be missing out on.

I'm not hearing anything about the top picks this year being better than other years, there's certainly not a Reid or Naicos jumping out, just that there's more good players than usual.

If they thought the talent was so high that guys expected to be taken in the teens are as good as your usual top 3 pick it would be different.

Every year we say that we wish we had extra picks at the top end of the start and I doubt next year will be the exception.

 

[Mangus]

The top 7 thought haven’t really changed in terms of their talent identification. So that doesn’t make him wrong.

This draft is seen as deep with the amount of kids who have come on this year. That’s an exception. Not the rule

Lalor Langford Reid all in the Top 7 mix Lalor will go 1

This draft is deep but that just means the picks later in the draft are better value on the flip side the top end is not better if anything it is worse than recent years

I reckon Richmond would give up 1 6 and 10 in this draft for Harley Reid or JHF

Selling the F1 and 8 for Nths 2 and F2 is tempting but we should not be doing it on the basis that next years draft is a bust was my point that is completely unknown at this stage.

What we do know is that there are a lot of good midfielders at the top end of this draft and that is our primary list need. 7 & 8 looks likely to get us 2 of them if North want Tarau that bad but maybe this is the only way that will happen. It will ultimately come down to whether this is the best way to get the two prime Mids we want and if pick 2 in particular gets us someone we think is worth the cost. Got to trust our professionals if they think there is a substantial difference between FOS/Lalor and Reid/Smillie they have all the data and have met the kids face to face might be a bigger gap than we can see from a few match day videos.

Would make an interesting long term comparison with Richmond there pick 1 and 6 compared to our pick 2 and 7 hopefully this time they would have the Billings and McCartin and we would have the Bont and Trac.

 

[stavro#4]

But multiple players outside the top 30 are now considered top 5 chances.

Definitely far too early to say that the top 10 will be dominated by academy players.

Guys like Oliver and Bont weren't in the conversation a year ahead of the start and if we give up a pick that ends up being top 5, that's who we could be missing out on.

I'm not hearing anything about the top picks this year being better than other years, there's certainly not a Reid or Naicos jumping out, just that there's more good players than usual.

If they thought the talent was so high that guys expected to be taken in the teens are as good as your usual top 3 pick it would be different.

Every year we say that we wish we had extra picks at the top end of the start and I doubt next year will be the exception.

No one has claimed there is a Naicos or Reid.

The appeal this year is that there is a number of really highly rated kids without their being the generational stars.

guys like Oliver Bont are the exception. There isn’t generational talents in each draft who come from nowhere. The talent for next year however isn’t a completely unknown to full time recruiters and the evidence is in the clubs willing to move out of that draft for this one.

Of those clubs we are one

 

[stavro#4]

Lalor Langford Reid all in the Top 7 mix Lalor will go 1

This draft is deep but that just means the picks later in the draft are better value on the flip side the top end is not better if anything it is worse than recent years

I reckon Richmond would give up 1 6 and 10 in this draft for Harley Reid or JHF

Selling the F1 and 8 for Nths 2 and F2 is tempting but we should not be doing it on the basis that next years draft is a bust was my point that is completely unknown at this stage.

What we do know is that there are a lot of good midfielders at the top end of this draft and that is our primary list need. 7 & 8 looks likely to get us 2 of them if North want Tarau that bad but maybe this is the only way that will happen. It will ultimately come down to whether this is the best way to get the two prime Mids we want and if pick 2 in particular gets us someone we think is worth the cost. Got to trust our professionals if they think there is a substantial difference between FOS/Lalor and Reid/Smillie they have all the data and have met the kids face to face might be a bigger gap than we can see from a few match day videos.

Would make an interesting long term comparison with Richmond there pick 1 and 6 compared to our pick 2 and 7 hopefully this time they would have the Billings and McCartin and we would have the Bont and Trac.

Because of the expected impact Father sons and academies will have next year. It impacts the value of your pick.

We may have pick 7 and be selecting the 11th best talent when it’s our turn in the draft that doesn’t have the depth such as this one or the close proximity of talent from prospect to prospect.

We know that at worse our pick 7 is selecting the 9th best talent - in the event of a Lombard bid. (Kako is just making Essendon pay up - he isn’t a genuine top 7 talent across most draft boards.)

Which is why Twomey said on gettable the value of those future firsts won’t get you as big as a return in this draft.

 

[St Neil]

Talking on sen about membrey going to Collingwood. Then out of no where reads one text message that just say. “St kilda has loser culture”. Then moves on. Dwayne does it all the time as well

SEN has become unlistenable.

Ever since Hutchison bought the place. It’s just awful.


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[akaifu]

Because of the expected impact Father sons and academies will have next year. It impacts the value of your pick.

We may have pick 7 and be selecting the 11th best talent when it’s our turn in the draft that doesn’t have the depth such as this one or the close proximity of talent from prospect to prospect.

We know that at worse our pick 7 is selecting the 9th best talent - in the event of a Lombard bid. (Kako is just making Essendon pay up - he isn’t a genuine top 7 talent across most draft boards.)

Which is why Twomey said on gettable the value of those future firsts won’t get you as big as a return in this draft.

Say it 100000 times and people still won’t believe it

No point trying to explain anymore

 

[triggering bro]

I'm not sure why youd be scared shitless. Doogs has been very decent and Wilkie is a star. Defence is more structure and teamwork than personnel anyway.

Collectively we look good - but that’s team defence across all lines that contributes. Howard and to a lesser extent Cordy when isolated are very compromised.

By being hyper focused on only midfielders is a recipe for disaster. It runs the risk of missing best available and sets another Paddy over Petracca trap. No thanks.

As much as midfielders are the dominant force to a successful team, they’re not the be all and end all. I look at that Brisbane team and gee they have some great medium athletic defenders that defend and attack equally. If Tauru is that guy and we also get best mid available im happy.

 

[Mangus]

That’s not close to the point

My point was that there are academy guys throughout the 2025 first round, so people thinking we’ll get a better pick haven’t evaluated the full situation. Our picks this year will slide…next year’s will slide significantly more

If people think we’ll finish bottom 4 next year then feel free to keep theorising about keeping the pick. I know for sure that isn’t how Ross SOS etc see our fortunes

There are 2 Academy kids likely to be top 10 next year Uwland and Anable same as this year Ashcroft and Lombard. You are right there are a lot of others McGuane and Addinsal most likely that could push up but most of the rest are down the order. At any rate predicting the top 10 12 months in advance is high risk.

I don't think we will be bottom 4 but top 8 also seems unlikely, we do not have a top 8 list. It shows promise and finally is heading in the right direction with good drafting over the past few years. If we were a top 8 team I would jump at it but if North thought that they wouldn't be at all interested. Hopefully our team Ross and SOS etc. all know exactly where our list is at that is their job if they are deluded about the strength of our list then we are going nowhere fast. Thankfully all signs point to the fact that Ross and SOS etc. all fully understand that including the Presidents impassioned plea for fairness in the Draft. I am not dismissing the proposed deal it has some appeal just pointing out our F1 is not a junk pick.

 

[Remboy]

Say it 100000 times and people still won’t believe it

No point trying to explain anymore

Like Spinal Tap with the amp that goes to 11.
‘Why didn’t you just make 10 louder?’
‘This one goes to 11’

 

[TheJackal]

No I think you have that wrong.

It appears to be a forgone conclusion that North are taking Tauru and if he isn’t there it’s Armstrong.

But there is no need for Melbourne to reach for a tall at 5 now they have 9 and Richmond have 10-11 to fall back on and can still take Trainor or Shanahan

The only prospects at the minute who could throw a cat amongst the pigeons is Murphy Reid.

No I actually think you have that wrong.

Melbourne lost Brayshaw to concussion, so Trainor may be a bridge too far. Richmond may be happy to pick up the scraps with Trainor or Shanahan at 10 or 11 but you and I both have no idea if they rate these guys at all.

So what happens if Tauru and Armstrong are both top 7 on the Dees/Tigers/North draft boards, but the other talls aren't even in the top 15?

So what we trade with North and if these 3 teams ONLY want either Tauru or Armstrong...

5. Melbourne
6. Richmond
7. Us
8. North
9. Melbourne

Now I know you say there's no need for Melbourne to reach for a tall, but unless you have a crystal ball you can't saw categorically what is going to happen.

Edit: including a couple of snippets from recent article posted above.

On Armstrong:

Rival clubs believe Melbourne (pick five) could be first to pounce on Armstrong in next month’s draft, potentially getting in before St Kilda.

On Tauru:

North Melbourne, which holds pick two, Melbourne (five) and Richmond (six) have shown strong interest in the athletic 193 centimetre prospect.
It is understood Adelaide at pick four is unlikely to take him as they eye a midfielder.

 

[akaifu]

There are 2 Academy kids likely to be top 10 next year Uwland and Anable same as this year Ashcroft and Lombard. You are right there are a lot of others McGuane and Addinsal most likely that could push up but most of the rest are down the order. At any rate predicting the top 10 12 months in advance is high risk.

I don't think we will be bottom 4 but top 8 also seems unlikely, we do not have a top 8 list. It shows promise and finally is heading in the right direction with good drafting over the past few years. If we were a top 8 team I would jump at it but if North thought that they wouldn't be at all interested. Hopefully our team Ross and SOS etc. all know exactly where our list is at that is their job if they are deluded about the strength of our list then we are going nowhere fast. Thankfully all signs point to the fact that Ross and SOS etc. all fully understand that including the Presidents impassioned plea for fairness in the Draft. I am not dismissing the proposed deal it has some appeal just pointing out our F1 is not a junk pick.

But the whole point of futures trading is to predict how things go next year

Even then, if you take the facts:

- There will be more FS/academy players next year

- The whole plan of the club was to spike next year and start bringing in free agents - the club will back itself to return to finals or at least improve on this year otherwise it’s a massive contradiction

- Clubs don’t want future picks over 2024 picks

Everything points toward the F1 being worse value than say a Taj Hotton/Cooper Hynes + one year of development with the core of the squad

 

[Mangus]

But the whole point of futures trading is to predict how things go next year

Even then, if you take the facts:

- There will be more FS/academy players next year

- The whole plan of the club was to spike next year and start bringing in free agents - the club will back itself to return to finals or at least improve on this year otherwise it’s a massive contradiction

- Clubs don’t want future picks over 2024 picks

Everything points toward the F1 being worse value than say a Taj Hotton/Cooper Hynes + one year of development with the core of the squad

I get how and why you are valuing it the way you are I just think you are misrepresenting/understating the value of next years draft. That's OK you have a different read than I do of the top end of next years draft one of us will be right but it will take 5 years at least to be proven.

We have 2 more years 2025 and 2026 before Tassie hits goal needs to be to maximise our picks across all 3 of these drafts particularly our First Round Picks. This proposed deal is losing one of those First Round Picks, that might be OK if it lands us an elite player at pick 2 this year. But the downside is we likely loose a top 10 pick next year in what I think will be as good a top 10 draft as any other year. Will be seen as genius or disaster depending on how pick 2 pans out.

 

[stavro#4]

No I actually think you have that wrong.

Melbourne lost Brayshaw to concussion, so Trainor may be a bridge too far. Richmond may be happy to pick up the scraps with Trainor or Shanahan at 10 or 11 but you and I both have no idea if they rate these guys at all.

So what happens if Tauru and Armstrong are both top 7 on the Dees/Tigers/North draft boards, but the other talls aren't even in the top 15?

So what we trade with North and if these 3 teams ONLY want either Tauru or Armstrong...

5. Melbourne
6. Richmond
7. Us
8. North
9. Melbourne

Now I know you say there's no need for Melbourne to reach for a tall, but unless you have a crystal ball you can't saw categorically what is going to happen.

Edit: including a couple of snippets from recent article posted above.

On Armstrong:

Rival clubs believe Melbourne (pick five) could be first to pounce on Armstrong in next month’s draft, potentially getting in before St Kilda.

On Tauru:

North Melbourne, which holds pick two, Melbourne (five) and Richmond (six) have shown strong interest in the athletic 193 centimetre prospect.
It is understood Adelaide at pick four is unlikely to take him as they eye a midfielder.

You can be pretty bloody confident that the reason there is only 1 club in the top 6 picks (North) looking to slide down, tells you that there isn’t going to be a tall take outside of that pick.

This draft is very much looking like the cream of the midfielders are going in the top 7.

Melbourne have effectively guaranteed themselves a gun tall at 9. One of Trainor Armstrong or Tauru

Richmond will take 2 mids in their first 2 picks. Whether that’s 1&2 the 2 best kids or 1&6. So the best kid and the best slider - which is likely Smillie right now.

It isn’t rocket science. The order is firming right up.

If we traded for pick 2 and kept 7. Then shit might change. As north come in at 8 - so that might impact Melbourne at 5 or Richmond at 6 knowing they won’t have their choice still available at 9 and 10/11.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

after the paddy stuff, I just don't trust doctors/agents when they say there are no long term effects to their player, that they're not at an increased chance of concussion etc. Based purely on vibe, one concussion is ok, 2 not great but maybe bad luck, 3+ and I'm getting cold feet