List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

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[Olian]

Cornes opinions are always wrong. You know you're on the right side when he disagrees

Cornes bias towards to Port has no end, Ratugolea is reportedly on good money over a number of years. Failed as a defender then shifted forward with no improvement.

 

[Ralphyboy]

Not many small forwards out there that i really "like" it feels like if we were to trade one in it would be more of a punt than anything. Maybe Mansell who is only 24 could be the way to go as he averages a goal a game and 3 tackles but still you would be looking for 50% improvement in both areas. Add Rosas to the same points as Mansell with improvement needed in tackling

You guys talk about getting dangerous small forwards, however don't forget that the forward line strategy has been to run three talls and no dangerous small forwards. The midfielders have been used as scorers in the forward line and small forwards used in a defensive mode. Unless this changes you can recruit as many dangerous small forwards as you like and they will disappear into 10 disposal, 5 tackle games every week.

 

[dosser]

You guys talk about getting dangerous small forwards, however don't forget that the forward line strategy has been to run three talls and no dangerous small forwards. The midfielders have been used as scorers in the forward line and small forwards used in a defensive mode. Unless this changes you can recruit as many dangerous small forwards as you like and they will disappear into 10 disposal, 5 tackle games every week.

Good point

 

[LukeParkerno1]

You guys talk about getting dangerous small forwards, however don't forget that the forward line strategy has been to run three talls and no dangerous small forwards. The midfielders have been used as scorers in the forward line and small forwards used in a defensive mode. Unless this changes you can recruit as many dangerous small forwards as you like and they will disappear into 10 disposal, 5 tackle games every week.

I'd like to hope after Brisbane's smalls tore us a new one we'd wake up and realise you need small pressure forwards rather than 3 talls and a bunch of mediums. 2 genuine small forwards is the bare minimum ideally 3 with one being a half forward.

 

[ashep]

You guys talk about getting dangerous small forwards, however don't forget that the forward line strategy has been to run three talls and no dangerous small forwards. The midfielders have been used as scorers in the forward line and small forwards used in a defensive mode. Unless this changes you can recruit as many dangerous small forwards as you like and they will disappear into 10 disposal, 5 tackle games every week.

If we change our style, your boy can absolutely come in and make an impact like he did in '23. I've admittedly been critical of his output this year, but agree with your point about the game plan not suiting him.

If we want a small forward to make an impact, we've got one sitting under our nose if we use him right.

 

[Kbroome]

You guys talk about getting dangerous small forwards, however don't forget that the forward line strategy has been to run three talls and no dangerous small forwards. The midfielders have been used as scorers in the forward line and small forwards used in a defensive mode. Unless this changes you can recruit as many dangerous small forwards as you like and they will disappear into 10 disposal, 5 tackle games every week.

Yep thats probably true, wonder how much of impact on Papley's output will come from just having a 2-2-2 forward line rather than 3-1-2. Personally i think that if we went into next year with a forward line of:
2 talls - McDonald McLean
2 mediums - Hayward and Davis/Hynes
2 smalls - Papley and Campbell

7th forward would be Cleary who can share some midfield time with Gussy who i would have as the 4th on baller

We would far so much better and not only would the two "new" guys impact more than those they replace but it would raise the level of those previously in the forward line

 

[sataris]

All Australian club captain who can play in a number of roles, is tied up until he is 32. How is that a bad contract? One injured season and people forget how valuable he is to the club

We made a grand final without him? like Sam Reid

 

[BloodySwan]

We made a grand final without him? like Sam Reid

And? All I hear is that our team can only get better

 

[sataris]

And? All I hear is that our team can only get better

Belted by 40?

 

[zyzzbruh]

Owies can be an option as a small forward. Blues fans seem to rate him very highly.

My response to every optimistic Carlton supporter was you'll never win a premiership with spuds like Owies in the team. He's a massive front runner, last thing we need.

We've got Papley, Campbell, Wicks and Cleary who would be an amazing small forward mix in a team that's actually set up to use them as a focal point.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

My response to every optimistic Carlton supporter was you'll never win a premiership with spuds like Owies in the team. He's a massive front runner, last thing we need.

We've got Papley, Campbell, Wicks and Cleary who would be an amazing small forward mix in a team that's actually set up to use them as a focal point.

Whilst Cleary may start forward the bloke is a bonafide midfielder, and I don't trust Horse to play Campbell where he should be (I agree with you but he won't do it). Wicks being amazing? As what? We need to spend a high pick on a pressure forward and badly. Hanily might be the second best one we have on the list and he's not even signed yet I think.

 

[BloodySwan]

Belted by 40?

60*

Without one of our best players

 

[sataris]

60*

Without one of our best players

I'm saying that Mills would have meant a 40 point loss

He's not going to save 10+ goals himself.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I'm saying that Mills would have meant a 40 point loss

He's not going to save 10+ goals himself.

Yippee only 40, so it's only over by the 3rd quarter now, improving boys haha

 

[Millky95]

OK, I've been doing a lot of thought here and have come up with the following scenario for a mega trade.

Richmond will need grunt and class and we need to make the most of this draft, so we trade both Gulden and Cleary for pick 1.

Norf want Parker, but they feel aggrieved about missing out on McDonald so now is the time for them to save face. We give them both Parker and McDonald for a top 5 pick. If they want us to take back Dyl Stevens then we will ask for pick 2 in return.

West Coast want Chad and they have pick 3. We ask for 13 as well.

Adelaide is next to the trade table. What they would give for a forward who kicks 9 goals? I say we bundle Amartey and Hayward for pick 4.

Adelaide is done, so who's next? Melbourne. Hmmm. They have had midfield retirements and now have a gaping hole in the middle. Enter Heeney who has a troublesome ankle and is closer to the end than the beginning of his career. We strike now while the Brownlow iron is hot and move him for the same pick as the number on his back.

Gold Coast need picks this year for their academy, so we give them 13 (see WCE) and 19 for their 6.

St Kilda. They are idiots. We give them McLean, Cunningham and Dyl Stevens for pick 7. We could have asked for a better pick but we wanted to include Stevens.

Essendon. Dodoro is no longer there so we can now get a trade done. Although they have been chasing Parker for a decade that's just tough (snoozed/loozed, etc) and they can talk to Norf. In the meantime, they need scoring power so Papley for 8 gets it done.

Fremantle need pace. Warner Jnr would be a good fit as well as Campbell for pick 9. Job done.

Finally, Collingwood. They need defenders. We have Snell and Francis waiting there so we can afford to let go of both Melican and TMac for pick 10 and a future first.

This will leave us with picks 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 17 and 55 in what is supposed to be a very good draft year., and our starting lineup in 2025 will be:
Roberts, Edwards, Rampe
Mills, Francis, Blakey
Lloyd, Rowbottom, McInerney
Florent, Buller, Jordon
Hanily, Ladhams, Wicks

Grundy, Adams, Sheldrick
Int. Fox, Snell, Hamling, Mitchell Emerg. Magor

Thereby ensuring a number of future top 5 picks coming our way for the forseeable future.

This is easy if you are bored at work.

This is the most video game level trade energy I have ever seen and I love it

 

[Jewelsbon]

You guys talk about getting dangerous small forwards, however don't forget that the forward line strategy has been to run three talls and no dangerous small forwards. The midfielders have been used as scorers in the forward line and small forwards used in a defensive mode. Unless this changes you can recruit as many dangerous small forwards as you like and they will disappear into 10 disposal, 5 tackle games every week.

Spot on Ralph. It's not so much the list, it's the tactics that need to change.

 

[Kbroome]

Spot on Ralph. It's not so much the list, it's the tactics that need to change.

When Will Hayward is your second quickest forward you know you have the slowest forward line in the league

 

[KingV23]

He isn't good. The only club with worse small forwards than us is them!

I don't actually watch any footy outside of Swans games, so honestly wouldn't know. But willing to trust what you say. I saw a couple of posts from Blues fans talking how under no circumstances should Carlton let him walk so figured he might be good

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I don't actually watch any footy outside of Swans games, so honestly wouldn't know. But willing to trust what you say. I saw a couple of posts from Blues fans talking how under no circumstances should Carlton let him walk so figured he might be good

Just look at their small forwards, their best one looked like a 2 game rookie in Moir...they have had to turn Zac Williams into one. Owies tries I'll give him that and he puts in effort, but he's no better than a C grade (at best) small forward. You'd be better spending pick 25 (whatever it is) on the best small forward in this years draft and not waste resources on Owies. He's not much better than Sam Wicks really.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Well at least it’s a hard no on Stringer.

One less thing to worry about.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

When Will Hayward is your second quickest forward you know you have the slowest forward line in the league

Which brings me back to my point all along, this 3 tall forward thing has to go. It's really 4 with Grundy out there 80% of the time too.

Two key forwards, Logan plus McClean OR Amartey (whoever you want don't care which one), get another Small in, I'd try Campbell there for starters. Draft two pressure forwards (one rookie one in the ND)

 

[Jewelsbon]

Well at least it’s a hard no on Stringer.

One less thing to worry about.

I'm so stuffed in the head from last Saturday I was starting to come around to the idea - and he is my most hated player in the league

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I'm so stuffed in the head from last Saturday I was starting to come around to the idea - and he is my most hated player in the league

So it's official you finished the tequilla on Saturday! lol

 

[Jeffers]

Blowtorch should start going on Beatson now. If he ****s up the next 2 drafts then he should go.

2022 draft is an absolute disaster right now.

 

[KingV23]

Blowtorch should start going on Beatson now. If he ****s up the next 2 drafts then he should go.

2022 draft is an absolute disaster right now.

He is going. Possibly last season before handing it over. I think the next bloke is currently in transition.