Rumour 2024 Hypothetical trade and FA Thread

[Strapping Young Lad]

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[Ned Ryerson]

I would make it so the clubs own the players for the first 6-8 years and can then trade them to any club like in the US.
After that period the player becomes a free agent. No compo.

This would mean you could get rid of the academy, compo and father son picks as teams would be able to trade them for the best offer.

If Gws or GC draft a Vic player and after 3 years they offer him a 5 year contract. If the player says no they can trade him for picks or players to any club/state.

You would have to increase the players salaries but this would allow teams to retain players and move up the ladder quicker.

Players have to much power. Especially after only 1-2 years in the system.

A system like that would have the players association challenging, and easily winning, the legality of the draft in court. Players aren’t ****ing cattle they are human beings who deserve the same basic human rights when it comes to employment as you and I do.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Let's say JUH decides to take up our $10m offer. Then what. How do you trade for him? They'd want 3 firsts.
It's not worth it.

Keep your picks and target FAs.

I hope you don’t mind the intrusion. Not sure if oppo supporters are welcome on your board.

I don’t think JUH is 3 firsts. It’s probably a top 5 plus a top 10 which is what Melbourne wanted for Jackson.

Given your ladder position two firsts with a late 2nd coming back might do it, or you can try and find another first this year. JUH is out of contract so if he commits to Hawthorn you can be a little difficult in negotiations. Maybe this years first and a future 2nd or something.

I was lurking on this board during trade period last year, and noticed a lot of Hawks supporters baulked at the idea of trading 2023 and 2024 1sts for pick 1. In retrospect that would be well unders.

Sometimes you just have to take your medicine and cough up if you want to bring in good players who will be at your club for the next 10-12 years.

 

[burger09]

I don't want to trade Lewis.

But we are in a deep hole if he fails to live up to his potential.

OUR club traded Croad, Thompson, Rawlings, Hay etc. When it decided they would not take us to where we aspire to be. The top.

We are in desperate need of a next generation of star KPPs. Without them we will really struggle.

It's up to the club to decide how they acquire these vital pieces.

If a Lewis trade can generate the next Buddy or Roughy or Dermie or Dunstal. Or multiple high quality KKPs. I'm sure the club would consider it at the very least.

Don't just shoot me down. Think about what we have done in the past and what it might take to dig ourselves out of where we are. Lewis "might" turn the corner and be all we need. As I said I don't won't to trade him but we need to get creative or pray he comes good.

 

[TylerDurden]

I hope you don’t mind the intrusion. Not sure if oppo supporters are welcome on your board.

I don’t think JUH is 3 firsts. It’s probably a top 5 plus a top 10 which is what Melbourne wanted for Jackson.

Given your ladder position two firsts with a late 2nd coming back might do it, or you can try and find another first this year. JUH is out of contract so if he commits to Hawthorn you can be a little difficult in negotiations. Maybe this years first and a future 2nd or something.

I was lurking on this board during trade period last year, and noticed a lot of Hawks supporters baulked at the idea of trading 2023 and 2024 1sts for pick 1. In retrospect that would be well unders.

Sometimes you just have to take your medicine and cough up if you want to bring in good players who will be at your club for the next 10-12 years.

He's the best young key forward in the game. They'd want the world. And then some.
I don't reckon we're in the position to trade out of the next 2 drafts.

 

[TylerDurden]

I don't want to trade Lewis.

But we are in a deep hole if he fails to live up to his potential.

OUR club traded Croad, Thompson, Rawlings, Hay etc. When it decided they would not take us to where we aspire to be. The top.

We are in desperate need of a next generation of star KPPs. Without them we will really struggle.

It's up to the club to decide how they acquire these vital pieces.

If a Lewis trade can generate the next Buddy or Roughy or Dermie or Dunstal. Or multiple high quality KKPs. I'm sure the club would consider it at the very least.

Don't just shoot me down. Think about what we have done in the past and what it might take to dig ourselves out of where we are. Lewis "might" turn the corner and be all we need. As I said I don't won't to trade him but we need to get creative or pray he comes good.

This top 10 will almost entirely be midfielders. There is no generational tall fwd talent like Walter in this draft.
We'd be shooting ourselves in the foot.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I don't want to trade Lewis.

But we are in a deep hole if he fails to live up to his potential.

OUR club traded Croad, Thompson, Rawlings, Hay etc. When it decided they would not take us to where we aspire to be. The top.

We are in desperate need of a next generation of star KPPs. Without them we will really struggle.

It's up to the club to decide how they acquire these vital pieces.

If a Lewis trade can generate the next Buddy or Roughy or Dermie or Dunstal. Or multiple high quality KKPs. I'm sure the club would consider it at the very least.

Don't just shoot me down. Think about what we have done in the past and what it might take to dig ourselves out of where we are. Lewis "might" turn the corner and be all we need. As I said I don't won't to trade him but we need to get creative or pray he comes good.

Except the upcoming draft is midfield heavy and the best KPP prospect is a Crows father/son pick. Trading Lewis this year would not get you the next Buddy Franklin.

 

[Goatie]

A system like that would have the players association challenging, and easily winning, the legality of the draft in court. Players aren’t ******* cattle they are human beings who deserve the same basic human rights when it comes to employment as you and I do.

It works fine the US. If the average wage was to rise to 800,000 a year. Players would enter the draft knowing the rules. It is not a normal job it is elite sport.

Do you think it is fine for Oli Henry to say that he doesn’t want play for a Melbourne club and nominate Geelong?

Collingwood draft him with pick 14 and have to trade him two years later for pick 25.

 

[Yardie]

I don't want to trade Lewis.

But we are in a deep hole if he fails to live up to his potential.

OUR club traded Croad, Thompson, Rawlings, Hay etc. When it decided they would not take us to where we aspire to be. The top.

We are in desperate need of a next generation of star KPPs. Without them we will really struggle.

It's up to the club to decide how they acquire these vital pieces.

If a Lewis trade can generate the next Buddy or Roughy or Dermie or Dunstal. Or multiple high quality KKPs. I'm sure the club would consider it at the very least.

Don't just shoot me down. Think about what we have done in the past and what it might take to dig ourselves out of where we are. Lewis "might" turn the corner and be all we need. As I said I don't won't to trade him but we need to get creative or pray he comes good.

From memory none of those trades got us a KPP. The first did end up getting us a priority pick though......

 

[Ned Ryerson]

It works fine the US. If the average wage was to rise to 800,000 a year. Players would enter the draft knowing the rules. It is not a normal job it is elite sport.

Do you think it is fine for Oli Henry to say that he doesn’t want play for a Melbourne club and nominate Geelong?

Collingwood draft him with pick 14 and have to trade him two years later for pick 25.

The US don’t have Australian style restraint of trade laws - so it’s a moot point. Also every major league there has maximum rookie contracts of 3-4 years - not 6-8.

And, yes, I do think it’s fine for players to be able to choose where they want to work and live. If you’re into depriving people of their basic freedoms then good for you, I guess.

 

[burger09]

This top 10 will almost entirely be midfielders. There is no generational tall fwd talent like Walter in this draft.
We'd be shooting ourselves in the foot.

Getting creative might mean multiple 1sts for JUH or sam taylor

 

[CHUBBSS]

That's not really how you 'list manage' though. It's more than just high end picks. It requires list balance.

We've now had a 2 week sample size of Chol and Ramsden as the two key forwards. They've combined for 2 goals out of 19.

We have ZERO other genuine key forwards coming through.

It's absolute lunacy to consider trading Lewis for a 'top 12 pick'.

If that top 12 pick ends up being a midfielder or a defender what good has it actually done the make-up of our list?

If you want evidence of how silly the concept is, please look at North Melbourne's past 4 years of trading and drafting.

I have said it for two weeks now based on what I’ve seen from Lewis. His either injured and the club was playing him ineptly or his already got one foot out of the door, each bad.

In every draft of the last few years the top 12 gets you access to an elite key back or forward (I still have hope for dgb but he is not a key back)

These will be the hard questions and decision just like croad etc that will make or break our next flag tilt - we overvalue our hand and we won’t have the quality of talent across the field to compete with gc, gws, port, Sydney (once they get juh).

We get a hand of key talls and power midfields for the next 10 years to go with day, weddle, jai, Watson, dear, McCabe, Connor, Mackenzie, Ginny the list goes on, we are in a much stronger position long term. But these are the crazy considerations of trading Lewis and I don’t see them as crazy but pragmatic on how long a road we still have to go.

Lewis might be 29 before he sees a final… so if their was ever a time to review our long term strategy it is now

Also if the club is not drafting power athletes with mongrel we will get burned by a lot of teams, the game will only get faster from here and to

 

[burger09]

From memory none of those trades got us a KPP. The first did end up getting us a priority pick though......

No you are right, but it generated star talent . The key to it all. Would we have pick Bud and Rough if the club was set on Thompson, Rawlings and Croad up forward.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

If our key forward options are Chol and an 18 year old kid then our next finals game might well be against Tassie in the 2030s. Trading Lewis, who is about to hit his prime years, for a roll of the dice is lunacy.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Getting creative might mean multiple 1sts for JUH or sam taylor

I’ll give you the tip - neither one of those players are going to nominate us.

 

[burger09]

I’ll give you the tip - neither one of those players are going to nominate us.

So we shouldn't try?
We should just except our likely fate of mediocrity for the foreseeable future and forget about trying to lure elite talent?

 

[TylerDurden]

If our key forward options are Chol and an 18 year old kid then our next finals game might well be against Tassie in the 2030s. Trading Lewis, who is about to hit his prime years, for a roll of the dice is lunacy.

We'd be the laughing stock.
Don't forget, it's taken Lewis 7 years of development to get him where he is today.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

So we shouldn't try?
We should just except our likely fate of mediocrity for the foreseeable future and forget about trying to lure elite talent?

I hope we try. But when was the last time a high profile recruit opted to go to a rebuilding team that has finished bottom 4 for 4 straight seasons. Do you think if West Coast or Norf threw stupid money at players they’d lure them? Norf tried with Kelly and Martin and failed every time. We can try all we like - but recent history in numerous sports shows that high calibre players now want success more than money.

 

[2008wasoverDEW!]

We currently only have one genuine high quality key position player on our list, and that is Mitch Lewis.

The last player we can afford to trade on our list is Mitch Lewis.

He's the key forward we must build around, not attempt to replace. Trading Lewis out essentially resets the rebuild.

I know we've had a rough start to the season but I can almost guarantee that the return of Day, Jiath, Lewis, Breust, and Watson will improve us drastically.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I don't want to trade Lewis.

But we are in a deep hole if he fails to live up to his potential.

We just need him out on the park a lot more. We don’t need him to be Tom Lynch.

Until McCabe and Dear can start to jostle with Ramma for opportunity we would be stupid to trade out a single key position player.

 

[earthworms]

Right now everybody’s hitting the panic button on this team, saying we don’t enough talent or that the young guys aren’t good enough to eventually win a premiership, or that we should trade Lewis or Sicily or whoever. Luckily our bigfooty board doesn’t do our list management. Instead of hitting the panic button and blowing up our team we should be patient and at least wait until the end of the season before swinging the axe on our players. It’s only been 5 games with a team destroyed by injuries! We’ll improve with time and our team will show promise. Hard to believe but we have improved, this time last year we’d lost two games by 80+ points to the cats and the swans and we were looking like the worst team in a long time. We think our situation is so much worse than it really is but we’re a rebuilding team and this is expected. We just need to stay patient and trust what our list management and our board is doing and we’ll start winning with time.

 

[Blackhawk42]

I have said it for two weeks now based on what I’ve seen from Lewis. His either injured and the club was playing him ineptly or his already got one foot out of the door, each bad.

In every draft of the last few years the top 12 gets you access to an elite key back or forward (I still have hope for dgb but he is not a key back)

These will be the hard questions and decision just like croad etc that will make or break our next flag tilt - we overvalue our hand and we won’t have the quality of talent across the field to compete with gc, gws, port, Sydney (once they get juh).

We get a hand of key talls and power midfields for the next 10 years to go with day, weddle, jai, Watson, dear, McCabe, Connor, Mackenzie, Ginny the list goes on, we are in a much stronger position long term. But these are the crazy considerations of trading Lewis and I don’t see them as crazy but pragmatic on how long a road we still have to go.

Lewis might be 29 before he sees a final… so if their was ever a time to review our long term strategy it is now

Also if the club is not drafting power athletes with mongrel we will get burned by a lot of teams, the game will only get faster from here and to

Talls drafted in the first round the last few years include...

Fisher McAsey (retired)
DGB (last season on our list?)
Zach Reid (handful of games in 4 years).
Jedd Busslinger (hasn't debuted)
Lewis Hayes (hasn't debuted)
Nate Caddy (hasn't debuted)
Josh Gibcus (injury prone)
Leek Aleer (who?)


This is what you risk giving up Mitch Lewis for.

 

[TheFourPillars]

FMD the furore over one loss when only the week before we were on the right path. A week is a long time in football.

 

[burger09]

FMD the furore over one loss when only the week before we were on the right path. A week is a long time in football.

I hope you are right FP.
But if we lose this week it's not going to be a long week but a very long year. Fingers crossed we smash the beggars and calm the sceptics.

 

[The hands of stone]

Let's say JUH decides to take up our $10m offer. Then what. How do you trade for him? They'd want 3 firsts.
It's not worth it.

Keep your picks and target FAs.

Its more an example of what we can do .

It forces the Dogs to keep him . It puts them under salary pressure and we can move to the next target .
Your killing two birds with one stone.

We should be aggressive in that space, its an asset we have over most clubs currently .

By the sounds of it we are being proactive and I'm all for that

 

[The hands of stone]

Gee this trade Lewis topic has gathered steam .......all of the back of David King using Lewis as an example of what we may have to look at doing