Rumour 2024 Hypothetical trade and FA Thread

[Strapping Young Lad]

2024 Picks



2025 Picks

 

[FB19]

Maybe a 3rd rounder coming back then

Future fourth.

 

[hawkinoz]

That seems major overs. Most seem to think it’s r1 plus a slide of f1 for eagles f2. Your trade on this years finishing positions and let’s value reeves as eagles r4 for arguments sake means you are throwing in the equivalent of pick 38 for free. With DVI changes next year and a deep draft, r3 onwards picks this year have much greater value. If you got eagles r4 pick back for reeves maybe that’s ok but we need something.

There are a few posters who are so desperate for Barrass they are constantly thinking up ways to get it done. They seem mortally scared that Eagles won't budge from 2 F1's and hence all these somersaults.

If Smith was still on target list for Hawks then 2 F1's would not have been enough but now Cats may land him for 16 & swap of 2nds.

I am thankful that none of them are in list management & are out of sync with how the wider footy community values players.
Mostly over and doing my best to ignore the wild takes.

Now are are there any potential targets in the below list. Other than Charlie Clarke who seemed highly rated in his draft yr but was injured, I can't see any. What about Jai Culley from Eagles?

Every club’s out-of-contract players​

Adelaide: Lachie Gollant, Will Hamill, Elliott Himmelberg, Ned McHenry, Patrick Parnell
Brisbane: Luke Beecken, Darcy Craven, Darragh Joyce, Kalin Lane, James Madden, Carter Michael, Jaxon Prior
Carlton: Jack Carroll, Matt Carroll, Sam Durdin, Matt Owies
Collingwood: Jack Bytel, Charlie Dean, Josh Eyre, Ned Long, Nathan Kreuger, Oleg Markov, Reef McInnes, Joe Richards, Lachie Sullivan
Essendon: Jayden Davey, Will Setterfield, Sam Weideman
Fremantle: Tom Emmett, Odin Jones, Max Knobel, Liam Reidy, Ethan Stanley, Patrick Voss
Geelong: Jed Bews, Patrick Dangerfield, Mitch Duncan, Jake Kolodjashnij, Rhys Stanley
Gold Coast: Levi Casboult, Hewego Paul Oea
GWS Giants: Adam Kennedy, James Peatling, Harry Perryman, Conor Stone
Hawthorn: Josh Bennetts, Denver Grainger-Barras, Harry Morrison, Jack O’Sullivan, Ethan Phillips
Melbourne: Marty Hore, Joel Smith, Adam Tomlinson
North Melbourne: Blake Drury, Cooper Harvey, Charlie Lazzaro
Port Adelaide: Travis Boak, Charlie Dixon, Francis Evans, Kyle Marshall, Tom McCallum, Quinton Narkle, Tom Scully
Richmond: Mate Colina, Matt Coulthard, Noah Cumberland, Thomson Dow, Jack Graham, Kamdyn McIntosh
St Kilda: Jack Hayes, Olli Hotton, Zak Jones, Tim Membrey, Ben Paton
Sydney Swans: Harry Arnold, Jack Buller, Aaron Francis, Tom Hanily, Jacob Konstanty, Jaiden Magor, Lachie McAndrew, Caleb Mitchell, Cooper Vickery
West Coast: Coby Burgiel, Jai Culley, Luke Edwards, Josh Rotham, Alex Witherden
Western Bulldogs: Charlie Clarke, Riley Garcia, Jason Johannisen, Alex Keath

 

[eaglevision]

eaglevision you seemed pretty keen on Ned Reeves a couple of weeks ago and I know a lot of WC media have said pick 13 + F1 which has led a lot of WC fans to do the same but what about something like the below? I think we might've already discussed this and by memory you said you didn't hate it. With the Max Ramsden extension just being announced and Ivan Soldo rumoured to be wanting to head to the Saints (Ned's other suitor) maybe the below could end up being possibility.

HAW – Tom Barrass
WC – Pick 13, F2 + Ned Reeves

Wouldn’t say I was pretty keen but with Flynn spending a lot of 2024 injured, Barnett needing time to develop and Bailey Williams not being a 1st ruck it’s certainly an area of list need. The initial in principle offer from the Hawks (before final pick position was determined) was 1R + F2 for Barrass.

Whether the addition of Reeves (or any other player) is enough to get that over the line I’m not sure. We are notoriously tight lipped with the media regarding trades out of respect for players and clubs and Twomey’s mail almost exclusively comes from Victoria so his comments about 1R + F1 for F2 are unlikely to come from West Coast. If that (or any) suggestion is true then there’s also the consideration of a salary contribution from us if the Hawks were of a mind to make a play for LDU or TDK via FA at the end of next year.

As I mentioned to one or two Hawks posters a few days ago, I’m lead to believe the likelihood of a player being involved is significantly higher than it was a few weeks ago. The HUN article published today also seems to allude to this.

 

[Bugs1977]

There are a few posters who are so desperate for Barrass they are constantly thinking up ways to get it done. They seem mortally scared that Eagles won't budge from 2 F1's and hence all these somersaults.

If Smith was still on target list for Hawks then 2 F1's would not have been enough but now Cats may land him for 16 & swap of 2nds.

I am thankful that none of them are in list management & are out of sync with how the wider footy community values players.
Mostly over and doing my best to ignore the wild takes.

Now are are there any potential targets in the below list. Other than Charlie Clarke who seemed highly rated in his draft yr but was injured, I can't see any. What about Jai Culley from Eagles?

Every club’s out-of-contract players​

Adelaide: Lachie Gollant, Will Hamill, Elliott Himmelberg, Ned McHenry, Patrick Parnell
Brisbane: Luke Beecken, Darcy Craven, Darragh Joyce, Kalin Lane, James Madden, Carter Michael, Jaxon Prior
Carlton: Jack Carroll, Matt Carroll, Sam Durdin, Matt Owies
Collingwood: Jack Bytel, Charlie Dean, Josh Eyre, Ned Long, Nathan Kreuger, Oleg Markov, Reef McInnes, Joe Richards, Lachie Sullivan
Essendon: Jayden Davey, Will Setterfield, Sam Weideman
Fremantle: Tom Emmett, Odin Jones, Max Knobel, Liam Reidy, Ethan Stanley, Patrick Voss
Geelong: Jed Bews, Patrick Dangerfield, Mitch Duncan, Jake Kolodjashnij, Rhys Stanley
Gold Coast: Levi Casboult, Hewego Paul Oea
GWS Giants: Adam Kennedy, James Peatling, Harry Perryman, Conor Stone
Hawthorn: Josh Bennetts, Denver Grainger-Barras, Harry Morrison, Jack O’Sullivan, Ethan Phillips
Melbourne: Marty Hore, Joel Smith, Adam Tomlinson
North Melbourne: Blake Drury, Cooper Harvey, Charlie Lazzaro
Port Adelaide: Travis Boak, Charlie Dixon, Francis Evans, Kyle Marshall, Tom McCallum, Quinton Narkle, Tom Scully
Richmond: Mate Colina, Matt Coulthard, Noah Cumberland, Thomson Dow, Jack Graham, Kamdyn McIntosh
St Kilda: Jack Hayes, Olli Hotton, Zak Jones, Tim Membrey, Ben Paton
Sydney Swans: Harry Arnold, Jack Buller, Aaron Francis, Tom Hanily, Jacob Konstanty, Jaiden Magor, Lachie McAndrew, Caleb Mitchell, Cooper Vickery
West Coast: Coby Burgiel, Jai Culley, Luke Edwards, Josh Rotham, Alex Witherden
Western Bulldogs: Charlie Clarke, Riley Garcia, Jason Johannisen, Alex Keath

Curiously asking was the start of this post a dig at me? I'm pretty sure I've been record from the start of all this Barrass stuff that I was against us giving up 2 x 1st rounders. If that is what WC do end up demanding then I'd much rather give up pick 13, F2 + Ned then 2 x 1st rounders. Is that undervaluing Ned? maybe but I'd much rather instead keep the flexibility of our F1 and sacrifice our F2 + Ned and like I said if that feels that is an overpay then we can ask for a F3 or F4 back to even things out.

 

[eaglevision]

Now are are there any potential targets in the below list. Other than Charlie Clarke who seemed highly rated in his draft yr but was injured, I can't see any. What about Jai Culley from Eagles?

Jai was building nicely in 2023 until he did his knee. He’s strong as f**k, goes when it’s his time to go, can play mid and forward (194cm) but is treacle slow. Not sure that would fit into Sam’s game plan unless he saw a specific role that didn’t require pace. Would almost certainly be considered if there was genuine interest from Hawthorn.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Saw another post (some Murdoch trash) suggesting that Serong and Noodle would be in other team colours at the start of next season.

Pretty sure 'Murdoch trash' is a tautology.

 

[seysearles]

Barrass for 2024 1st or walk. Nothing else. Don’t listen to these media parrots or west coast. They’ll come knocking at the 11th hour for sure. They want him off their books. If they don’t blink then good on them and they can keep him. More than happy to load up the backline with Battle and Serong as depth and go to the draft and get a gun forward or mid with that juicy first rounder. Happy days.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Barrass for 2024 1st or walk. Nothing else. Don’t listen to these media parrots or west coast. They’ll come knocking at the 11th hour for sure. They want him off their books. If they don’t blink then good on them and they can keep him.

 

[Atch]

That's annoying if west coast score noodle and a first round they should be bloody happy with that. Noodles Guna be a player that improves a little bit every year consistently, he was already showing good signs at Hawthorn this year.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

That's annoying if west coast score noodle and a first round they should be bloody happy with that. Noodles Guna be a player that improves a little bit every year consistently, he was already showing good signs at Hawthorn this year.

I agree, but let's be realistic. The way the hawks play, he is not going to be the player we need. As a back up, maybe, but not at a first ruck.

Look through my posts, I'm effectively leader of the Ned reeves fan club, but he needs to be at a team where he can use his weapons - tap ruck skills and breaking even in a contest/forcing a repeat stoppage, rather than our team where we rely on a gameplan of win the contest or get back to support

 

[The Big Dipper]

The guy is 29. What I dont understand is what would he be worth if he was 26 (2 top 10's) ? 24(2 top 5's)? 22 (3 top 5's)?

The days of the hulking full back that could save you 5 goals a game have been gone for 15 years. I mean with Hawkins retiring there are literally no gorilla FF's left in the league (save possibly Hogan who isn't even that big). I just dont get how Barrass improves our backline (which is already good) by that much especially with another very good tall coming in the form of Battle (a better player). I would much rather take Battle for free (thank you very much) and those 2 firsts to the draft, even if they dont strike gold, and we end up with 2 more McKenzie Ward types which is about par for those sort of picks. Frankly a lot of the gold in the draft seems to come in that 10-20 zone anyway. This strategy is basically saying that Barrass is the missing piece of the puzzle and that's what what i'm really struggling to believe.

Jesse Hogan
Joe Daniher
Joel Amartey
Harry McKay
Tex Walker
Jez Cameron
Ben King
Sam Darcy
Jake Stringer
Darcy Fogarty

I'd say there's still a role for the "hulking full back"

 

[Lickmesocks]

Jesse Hogan
Joe Daniher
Joel Amartey
Harry McKay
Tex Walker
Jez Cameron
Ben King
Sam Darcy
Jake Stringer
Darcy Fogarty

I'd say there's still a role for the "hulking full back"

Yep one Rock Ape and then 5 mobile swingers and we are good thanks

 

[The Big Dipper]

If you pay $10 for something, with 2x $5 notes, but get $4 change, did it really cost $10?

Depends on the exchange rate, this years exchange rate favours the buyer.

Next year our $5 note could well be a $20 note

 

[Harper_Hawk]

Barrass for 2024 1st or walk. Nothing else. Don’t listen to these media parrots or west coast. They’ll come knocking at the 11th hour for sure. They want him off their books. If they don’t blink then good on them and they can keep him. More than happy to load up the backline with Battle and Serong as depth and go to the draft and get a gun forward or mid with that juicy first rounder. Happy days.

Yes.
As much as we need a FB.. we need an inside bull mid to help Mr Poowong.


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[CD Xbow]

Yep one Rock Ape and then 5 mobile swingers and we are good thanks

That sounds like my last trip to a sex club.

 

[Faraway Hawk]

My first is in five but not in ten,
My second in neither so the letter turns back again,
My last is the end of the worthier note,
Can you get the word answer to the riddle I wrote?

Seven. Does this mean pick 7 will somehow be involved in the Barrass trade?

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Yes.
As much as we need a FB.. we need an inside bull mid to help Mr Poowong.


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That's Worpel and Nash's role in the side.

 

[Roddy]

Jesse Hogan
Joe Daniher
Joel Amartey
Harry McKay
Tex Walker
Jez Cameron
Ben King
Sam Darcy
Jake Stringer
Darcy Fogarty

I'd say there's still a role for the "hulking full back"

Once again I find myself stoked out of my mind that BF posters are not Hawthorn recruiters or list managers. People talking themselves in circles trying to talk themselves out of grabbing Barrass have NO idea.

If a player of his calibre and profile drops into your lap, you fall all over yourself grabbing him.

 

[The Big Dipper]

It doesn't really make a lot of sense though. Why indirectly purchase our future first rounder without knowing what it will be when pick purchasing is meant to be coming in next year anyway. Potentially with the cap space we would save we could end up purchasing a better pick next year to replace it.

Also with their second rounder coming back it effectively makes the cost for us one first rounder and roughly a half round slide on another first. Add in them paying part of the salary and things look pretty favourable for our side.

The only sense you could make of it is if Hawthorn saw value in securing more cap space, which in turn could only mean 1 thing. Are we positioning ourselves for a big salary coup ie. Petracca, Harley, etc.

Personally I think is farcical to think we'd ask WCE to cover salary when we are at the very low end of TPP currently.

 

[TONYC3163]

Once again I find myself stoked out of my mind that BF posters are not Hawthorn recruiters or list managers. People talking themselves in circles trying to talk themselves out of grabbing Barrass have NO idea.

If a player of his calibre and profile drops into your lap, you fall all over yourself grabbing him.

Hmmm, Sam and List Managers target a specific need (and likely agree on a trade) versus BF posters*

It is a difficult decision to whom may be right here.
On reading all the discussions in many areas, seems clear the Trade will happen for our first plus sweeteners (or steak knives).

*as expected supporters overvalue their players and undervalue others.
Check out the months-long Barrass forum - not an original thought in ages.

 

[rei154]

A friend and I got into a pretty big argument about what Freo could give up for to get Bolton. I couldn't fathom the idea of him being worth two or three first rounders, but my friend had a point in as much as internally Freo view their list as only missing a piece or two to compete, therefor a high end glut of picks isn't as worth it for them if they are in a "win now" mindset.

I wonder if internally we are viewing ourselves as the same? If we're viewing ourselves in a similar light.

 

[Roddy]

Hmmm, Sam and List Managers target a specific need (and likely agree on a trade) versus BF posters*

It is a difficult decision to whom may be right here.
On reading all the discussions in many areas, seems clear the Trade will happen for our first plus sweeteners (or steak knives).

*as expected supporters overvalue their players and undervalue others.
Check out the months-long Barrass forum - not an original thought in ages.

A lot of fans and BF posters don't object to this sort of thing based on any kind of fact or reasoned thinking, they simply mindlessly kneejerk object to any name that gets thrown up, just coz....

 

[TONYC3163]

A lot of fans and BF posters don't object to this sort of thing based on any kind of fact or reasoned thinking, they simply mindlessly kneejerk object to any name that gets thrown up, just coz....

Sorry - Not all BF posters, you are right most here are reasonable = all good fun.

 

[Mercy Seat]

Hmmm, Sam and List Managers target a specific need (and likely agree on a trade) versus BF posters*

It is a difficult decision to whom may be right here.
On reading all the discussions in many areas, seems clear the Trade will happen for our first plus sweeteners (or steak knives).

*as expected supporters overvalue their players and undervalue others.
Check out the months-long Barrass forum - not an original thought in ages.

Some posters want to win flags, and others would prefer to win trade week.

Had we listened to BF in the early 10s, I hate to think how much success we would have missed out on.

 

[mustang]

Barrass for 2024 1st or walk. Nothing else. Don’t listen to these media parrots or west coast. They’ll come knocking at the 11th hour for sure. They want him off their books. If they don’t blink then good on them and they can keep him. More than happy to load up the backline with Battle and Serong as depth and go to the draft and get a gun forward or mid with that juicy first rounder. Happy days.

Time to play hard ball when requiring players and don't give away the house and the car, pay a fair and reasonable fee, if they ask for more walk away, other clubs threaten to do this and get players for cheaper like Geelong, watch them get smith who is 23 cheaper than what we get a 29 year old with a bad back for.