Rumour 2024 Hypothetical trade and FA Thread

[excitingnews]

So are we going to offer our future 1st and Carlton’s future 1st for Barrass ? With nothing coming back in return ?

If we were going to do that, why wouldn’t we have just offered the eagles pick 14 and our F1, received their f2 in return and not wasted time trading with Carlton?

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

We can't pass him up because we promised. We're people of our word unlike the unscrupulous West Cost

We promised to do our best to do a fair trade for Barrass.

I can not see MM or Sam promising to sell the farm for him.

For the love of footy, all involved know the deal and are professionals.

Plus at Hawthorn we are bigger than one player.

 

[hfc70]

Think Clarke thought McKenzie would rollover and have his belly tickled.
MM is much more shrewd than his persona , as Clarke found out today.

Now Clarke’s scrambling to get Barrass & Baker deals done to appease everyone, especially his employer (Eagles). Don’t get me wrong Hawks want Barrass but it takes two to do the ‘horizontal lambada’

 

[earthworms]

Mark mckenzie villain arc

 

[Newmo89]

Do you know if any other players, hawthorn or otherwise, could be part of a bigger trade?

This won’t be a bigger trade. Carlton’s future first and a shuffle of picks.

 

[TylerDurden]

Think Clarke thought McKenzie would rollover and have his belly tickled.
MM is much more shrewd than his persona , as Clarke found out today.

Now Clarke’s scrambling to get Barrass & Baker deals done to appease everyone, especially his employer (Eagles). Don’t get me wrong Hawks want Barrass but it takes two to do the ‘horizontal lambada’

I've heard MM is viscious in negotiations with other clubs.

 

[happy_hawks]

Maybe I'm too cynical but can't help but think the "hawks blowing up trade week" trade dropping on a Friday afternoon after a week of sweet FA happening has AFL/media written all over it.

Seems logical to me that Tigers want to spread picks over two drafts. Hawks trading out of 2024 for 2025 and picking up an extra 2nd rounder gives options for Tigers and therefore Eagles/Barrass.

Bigger question for me is what do we plan to do with the future first and future second that don't go to the Eagles for Barrass. Cats throwing out pick 17 for Smith, I wonder if dogs would bite at f1 and f2?

 

[excitingnews]

It boils down to one thing - Barrass turned down massive overtures from Sydney a few years back to stay at West Coast with an agreement that he'd be looked after with the increase in TPP. West Coast reneged on that, and so he looked elsewhere.

Rival clubs circling Barrass as West Coast negotiations stall

The Eagles defender is contracted until 2027.

www.sen.com.au

That's why West Coast's position is unreasonable. You can't act like that internally and then pretend the player holds an unbelievable amount of value externally, we sure didn't with Tom Mitchell.

Sometimes it's a bitter pill to swallow that you'll get less for Barrass than he might otherwise be worth, but that it is your club's fault. If you wanted to keep him, you'd have paid him and he'd be off the market. You didn't.

It is insane that the majority of the eagles board are unwilling to acknowledge this. Much easier to just sit there and claim that we came out of nowhere and brainwashed him mid season

 

[Hawkers Hero]

First up there is no 14

Second - you have got really defensive when I asked a simple question and there was no malice in it - so I'll ask again.

do you think Barass and Baker are of equal value?

I completely agree that Barrass and Baker are not of equal value....what you are overlooking here is the mere possibility that both West Coast and Richmond are being unreasonable.

In my view 14 was perfectly reasonable for Barrass. I would be pissed if we gave anything better than an early second rounder for Baker.

 

[Da Game]

The trade for Barrass will be Carlton F1 and 33 as WCE would want a pick in this years draft.

 

[rei154]

In all likelihood what we have done is traded 14 for TB, just with an extra step.
I'd like for us to be able to move back into the first round this year some how, or maneuver things so that next year we manage to stay jn the top 10 of the draft.
If our goal is to nab Reid in a year or two, our ability to shift bulk first round picks will help WC massively as they'll want to get Warner to make up the loss.

 

[hawkinoz]

This won’t be a bigger trade. Carlton’s future first and a shuffle of picks.

Can I as part of fan base pls request the club to trade our F1 and keep Blues F1.

if not I will have to start a guerilla PR blitz to talk up Blues as flag favourites over the weekend and hope Eagles demand the Blues F1 over the Hawks one.

 

[Dewnior]

Barrass at 29, pretty much 30.

He turned 29 less than a week ago

 

[becalm]

Does anyone know exactly what TBs back problem is? Has HFC club had a medical examination done?

 

[bindas12]

This won’t be a bigger trade. Carlton’s future first and a shuffle of picks.

ok so not even Carlton's future second ? wow, that means we pay even less than pick 14 ?
someone suggested to me West Coast may not have wanted to give up pick 14 for Baker, so now they say to Richmond, sorry we can't now.
So west coast take Carltons future 1st and 2nd from us for Barrass
They offer up Carltons future 1st to Richmond for Baker

We get Barrass for pick 14 and nothing more
West Coast get Baker and a future second for Barrass
Richmond gets to spread out rebuild picks over multiple years

thoughts ?

 

[I wanna pash Nash]

I do wonder what other clubs would think is more valuable next year between our future 1st or Carltons? I'd imagine ours.

 

[satan1]

He turned 29 less than a week ago

Almost 40.

 

[hawkmang]

How about vinegar instead of salt.

Fun fact: You actually do catch a lot of fruit flies with apple cider vinegar

 

[Fulgent]

Does anyone know exactly what TBs back problem is? Has HFC club had a medical examination done?

Nah, we're just winging it.

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

I do wonder what other clubs would think is more valuable next year between our future 1st or Carltons? I'd imagine ours.

Really. Why? We sailed past them this year and it’s hard to see why we wouldn’t push further in front. God I hope we trade out our F1st and keep Carlton’s F1st.

 

[Come back Cyril]

ok so not even Carlton's future second ? wow, that means we pay even less than pick 14 ?
someone suggested to me West Coast may not have wanted to give up pick 14 for Baker, so now they say to Richmond, sorry we can't now.
So west coast take Carltons future 1st and 2nd from us for Barrass
They offer up Carltons future 1st to Richmond for Baker

We get Barrass for pick 14 and nothing more
West Coast get Baker and a future second for Barrass
Richmond gets to spread out rebuild picks over multiple years

thoughts ?

This is what I thought when I saw the trade. Improved outcome for WC by addung a 2nd to Baker (who they were giving 14 up for). Lets see.

 

[Since 2001]

Just for the giggles:
Hawks: Hawks future first and future 3rd
WCE: Barrass

Hawks: Carlton future first and Hawks future 2nd
Wb: bailey smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

and future 3rd

Premiership

 

[KermitJagger]

Does anyone know exactly what TBs back problem is? Has HFC club had a medical examination done?

Yes. It's pretty well documented at this stage:

“It was a compression fracture to my T8 (vertebrae) and I’ve wedged about five of my other vertebrae a bit shorter."

Something that will require long term management but he did not get surgery, nor has he suffered any major long term issues because of it.

 

[Back Pocket Rocket]

Please trade our F1 so I can death ride Carlton next year Will also be fun not having our results linked to our draft pick

 

[The German Hunter]

Cripps is one of my favourite non Hawks to watch. I would hate to see him go down but if it happened we would have a top 10 pick. Sign me up to keep Carlton’s 1st, love another reason to barrack against the brown bag mafia!