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I wasn’t to fussed initially if we let owies go, but now I think we should be keeping him imo
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Yeah, I don’t think it’s coincidence that Martin’s 1 game back this year happened to be what I think is the best game of Owies’ career.Im 50/50 on that, Williams and Hollands are hard carrying as alternative options up forward imo which has always been my point about our small forwards.
Owies, Durdin, Fantasia etc haven't demanded a direct opponent to drag attention away from Charlie and H which has left them to be double and triple teamed over the last few years. Williams and Hollands drawing opposition attention has opened up our whole forward line for the others to get involved in the game as more goal sneak types.
Still believe Martin and Cottrell push Fantasia and Owies out of the b22 when healthy but it's a good problem to have for the first time in years.
Agree on all fronts. Right now Owies is playing the exact role we need him to and I think with Martin and Motlop close to 'full health' all our smalls would be trying their guts out to remain in good form leading into finals.Yeah, I don’t think it’s coincidence that Martin’s 1 game back this year happened to be what I think is the best game of Owies’ career.
But that also seems to have unlocked something (confidence? insight?) and I reckon he’s been in career best form since then, with new aspects to his game (true small forward aspects: better pressure, tackles, crumbing). He looks a much improved player to the one who got dropped for the prelim last year.
No doubt we need to think about life without Williams, but we have a couple of years to planIm 50/50 on that, Williams and Hollands are hard carrying as alternative options up forward imo which has always been my point about our small forwards.
Let's drag it back to now and moving forward. Both Harry & Charlie cop plenty of attention, but building continuity in a side and structure, has allowed our other forwards to hit the scoreboard because sides aren't respecting themOwies, Durdin, Fantasia etc haven't demanded a direct opponent to drag attention away from Charlie and H which has left them to be double and triple teamed over the last few years.
It's a great position to be in, players embracing team structures rather than individual outputWilliams and Hollands drawing opposition attention has opened up our whole forward line for the others to get involved in the game as more goal sneak types.
It's a great problem to haveStill believe Martin and Cottrell push Fantasia and Owies out of the b22 when healthy but it's a good problem to have for the first time in years.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how we rate one over the other, it's how the club rates them.So you rate durdin above Owies? It could come down to one or the other
The reports are he’s more keen to go to them than they are keen on him - and that he is willing to play at close to base salary
So it probably will happen but that won’t help us pry any players away from their list
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I don’t think it will be a case of screwing him over, or even lowballing him, although he might get higher offers to leave. Think it’s more about the uncertainty to do with the total list, and also what changes to the draft values and rules may come in.Owies would look a right twit if he left after giving Tuohy the jumper-pull celebration the other week. Only way it happens is if we screw him over....ironically like we did to Tuohy.
I like him but would be strange to want out now, he only signed late last year I think, might have even been after the finals.Would we consider a trade for a player like Neale-Bullen if we let Cunners go end of year and he wanted out of Goodwins 'snowy' palace? Not sure what he'd cost under contract but certainly a high quality role player for the Dees.
Surely a few will be seeking a fresh start away from the ****show thats enveloped the Dee's this year with Clarry and their medico's, Joel Smith etc.
With their academy talent, they would definitely be the place to look for talent.Reckon Gold Coast may let a few go cheaply again this year. Especially if they’re bringing in Dusty.
I think their strategy was off.They have enough to work with they shouldn’t be complete garbage, but they have their answer now of whether they have a list capable of contending.
Their list isn’t set in stone, they do have young and more established talent, but they didn’t get as much out of their high picks as they needed to in order to be a top side now.
Fog is a machine, probably our best tacklerI'll put my hand up, I thought he was gone, but love how hard he has worked to embrace his role
Durdin has time to rehab, perhaps play a role this year and prepare properly for next year
Yet many wrote him off a few years back and a certainty to delist.....unfortunately I was one of them. Had a brilliant start to his career in the navy, but went into oblivion with the back injury.Fog is a machine, probably our best tackler
If Martin happens to break down again with another lengthy injury trying to get back than it’s an easy decision, regard the bloke as a player extremely highly, but it should be a disappointing but easy decision…I don’t think it will be a case of screwing him over, or even lowballing him, although he might get higher offers to leave. Think it’s more about the uncertainty to do with the total list, and also what changes to the draft values and rules may come in.
I think there’s a good chance that one of Martin or Owies gets traded. Now people might have a pretty clear view of who that should be, but that could also be changed in 3 months time.
Yes.If Martin happens to break down again with another lengthy injury trying to get back than it’s an easy decision, regard the bloke as a player extremely highly, but it should be a disappointing but easy decision…
Owies is improving as a player very nicely…
It’s a shame he’s had his ongoing injuries after such a promising start to his career, i mentioned in earlier post a while ago that he reminded me of Daniel’s from GWS in the way he can play, forgot to mention another player i also think he has the potential to play like is Moore from the hawks, both are those quick and clever small forwards types who can be involved in the scoring chains and on the end of them who can apply good pressure, good enough to be involved around stoppages…Yet many wrote him off a few years back and a certainty to delist.....unfortunately I was one of them. Had a brilliant start to his career in the navy, but went into oblivion with the back injury.
Sometimes you just have to give players a bit of time to get their bodies right, and they'll pay you back in spades. And I'm hoping that Ashton falls into that basket....prodigious talent that could blossom into anything.
THE AFL is considering a change to the rules where players would be able to stay on rookie lists for up to five years. Currently players can only spend three consecutive seasons on the rookie list before needing to be upgraded to the senior list or delisted.
But as part of discussions with clubs, the League has had support for extending the limit to five years under certain parameters in a bid to allow clubs more time to develop key-position types and ruck talents as rookies. Under a possible stipulation raised, rookies would be able to stay on the rookie list after their third year if they have not played a certain number of games at AFL level by then and again at the end of their fourth year. The rule has had support from clubs as the AFL looks at different mechanisms as part of its wide-ranging competitive balance review. – Callum Twomey
If he can, and absolutely certainly could then happy daysYes.
Likewise, he gets back in the team and wins the Normie…
Owies… Played every game this year, a starting 18 player. Carltons third leading goal kicker again with 21 goals so far…
If we let him walk, just for the sake of a list spot, then that’d be pretty bad list management…
They were never that bad, their impact was limited by low frequency & quality looks.Our small forwards aren't too bad afterall