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- Mar 20, 2017
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Been playing defence at the Dees for some time. Not great, not horrible. Probably a better back up than Young and Durdin but you wouldn't invest any draft capital or salary cap on him. Yes as a DFA.
Agree. I can see Kemp reverting back to a lead up marking forward.
A capable tall, KPD is what we need. Elliot Himmelberg a relatively low cost option? 2 metres tall and seemingly now finding some continuity in his footy and body.
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Perhaps being 'worried' or not is the wrong way to look at things.
I'm diametrically opposed to the idea that list management is about 'evening things out'. It's a dynamic entity, IMO. If we are talking the draft, I think we should draft another KPF type with superior credentials to our current second/third tall options, to give us a bit of an edge. I admit I'm biased towards taller players but a lot depends on each draft and our potential position in it.
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given ben isnt ranked in the top 30 by a lot of people surely we try and trade our second rounder up so we can grab both a kpp and someone with speed
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Iād be making inquiries re: Phoenix Foster from Geelong.
I think with some further development heād be an ideal swingman going forward.
I think with some further development heād be an ideal swingman going forward.
Loved him in the draft. Slow getting going with injuries. Why are you raising him now?
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Hi. Welcome to our board. Thanks for the suggestion. I like it...
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you mean carrol and 59 for pick 71 yes but maybe 61 instead idk
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Yep, that's fair, great suggestion.
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I'm having a joke. But I think if Carroll wants to move, or if Carlton think he is surplus to future needs, then your original suggestion doesn't sound too far off the mark, although I'd prefer just a straight swap of 59 for Carroll. Again, welcome to our board, we have some good mods here...
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thankyou id prefer pick 71 with it to get more picks as we need them.
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JSOS has bulked up significantly while he's been rehabbing the knee - if we don't have him training with the backline during the off-season I'll hurl.
Is he exactly what our backline needs? No - we'd love a 200cm bloke with sticky hands, an elite kick, incredible acceleration and the ability to read the play like Magnus bloody Carlsen.
But he's on the list already, he's as tall as many other "key-ish" defenders, he has excellent field kicking and game sense, and he gives 120% every game he plays. Plus he's spent enough time forward that he can be swung up there if we need to change things up or cover an injury in-game, and he's passable as a supporting ruck rotation.
If he was fit, I'd be playing him ahead of Kemp and Marchbank without question. I think that by next season his spot up forward will be almost impossible to reclaim, he's simply not dangerous enough as a third tall to draw a tall defender, and I think we're better off with a variety of smalls at the feet of Charles and Harry rather than playing an average third tall forward for the sake of some height.
Repurpose JSOS as a defender - start Weitering, Gov and JSOS down back, play Kemp off the bench as a utility at both ends, retain Young as our contracted depth option (coverage for Weitering missing, or two of the other three). Draft and develop a KPD with a late/rookie pick behind that lot.
Focus our early draft on speed and/or ball use at the coalface and ahead of the ball. Xavier Lindsay, Joe Berry, Tobie Travaglia, Taj Hotton, Cooper Hynes, Cristian Moraes - there are plenty of options.
JSOS, Weitering, Cowan
Saad, McGovern, Newman
Hollands*, Cripps, Acres
TDK, Walsh, Hewett
Hollands, McKay, Williams
Motlop, Curnow, Owies
I/C: Kemp, Cerra, Cincotta, Fogarty
SUB: any of Boyd, Kennedy, Carroll, Hollands*, Cottrell, Durdin, Fantasia, or the developing kids (Moir, Wilson, Binns etc.)
*Wait and see on Doc, but I'd consider him taking Hollands' wing on his return.
Is he exactly what our backline needs? No - we'd love a 200cm bloke with sticky hands, an elite kick, incredible acceleration and the ability to read the play like Magnus bloody Carlsen.
But he's on the list already, he's as tall as many other "key-ish" defenders, he has excellent field kicking and game sense, and he gives 120% every game he plays. Plus he's spent enough time forward that he can be swung up there if we need to change things up or cover an injury in-game, and he's passable as a supporting ruck rotation.
If he was fit, I'd be playing him ahead of Kemp and Marchbank without question. I think that by next season his spot up forward will be almost impossible to reclaim, he's simply not dangerous enough as a third tall to draw a tall defender, and I think we're better off with a variety of smalls at the feet of Charles and Harry rather than playing an average third tall forward for the sake of some height.
Repurpose JSOS as a defender - start Weitering, Gov and JSOS down back, play Kemp off the bench as a utility at both ends, retain Young as our contracted depth option (coverage for Weitering missing, or two of the other three). Draft and develop a KPD with a late/rookie pick behind that lot.
Focus our early draft on speed and/or ball use at the coalface and ahead of the ball. Xavier Lindsay, Joe Berry, Tobie Travaglia, Taj Hotton, Cooper Hynes, Cristian Moraes - there are plenty of options.
JSOS, Weitering, Cowan
Saad, McGovern, Newman
Hollands*, Cripps, Acres
TDK, Walsh, Hewett
Hollands, McKay, Williams
Motlop, Curnow, Owies
I/C: Kemp, Cerra, Cincotta, Fogarty
SUB: any of Boyd, Kennedy, Carroll, Hollands*, Cottrell, Durdin, Fantasia, or the developing kids (Moir, Wilson, Binns etc.)
*Wait and see on Doc, but I'd consider him taking Hollands' wing on his return.
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A few clubs are asking the question of him. Assuming he resists the urge to head home to SA, I am hoping we are well and truely in the mix.
Been tossing around our position of late insofar as :
What we have
What we need
What we can do
These offerings are generally directed towards next season and beyond here in the list management thread.
Whatās become clearly obvious is our need for a second quality KPD to work with Weitering.
Marchbank : OOC ā¦ delisted
Durdin : OOC ā¦ delisted
Young : Contracted ā¦ backup/depth
The plan here is not a new one, itās been discussed here from time to time and I have to admit that Iāve personally dismissed it up until recently.
TDK redeployed in defence.
There was an old saying in war ā¦ never have your generals in the front line when youāre going over the wall.
In footy these days, the ruck is the one remaining position where you can legally cut down a more talented/athletic opponent in the āold fashionedā way.
Weāve witnessed and will continue to see these tactics employed against TDK going forward.
Put bluntly ā¦ IMO, TDK is now too valuable a commodity to play in the ruck.
We have Pittonet who loves the hustle and bustle of the ruck and he services our midfield well, let that be his focus as the new setup lessens the need of him around the ground.
TDK is supremely talented, athletic, mobile and brave, some here even suggest he wouldnāt be out of place playing on the ball.
My mindās eye imagines a Harris Andrews type scenario for TDK stationed in defence alongside the general Weitering and McGovern as the third.
(Iāve always liked the idea of Kemp as the third forward)
Boyd Weitering McGovern
Cowan TDK Saad
The way the draft is shaping for us re the Campo twins, there will reportedly be some nice KPP available to us at around our natural first selection to replace the outgoing players listed above.
With Pittonet tasked with leading the ruck and TDK redeployed in defence, it opens the door for the combative young HOK to be groomed as the heir apparent to Pittonet in time.
Mirkov can be retained as a rookie to share the load with HOK as he develops ā¦
What we have
What we need
What we can do
These offerings are generally directed towards next season and beyond here in the list management thread.
Whatās become clearly obvious is our need for a second quality KPD to work with Weitering.
Marchbank : OOC ā¦ delisted
Durdin : OOC ā¦ delisted
Young : Contracted ā¦ backup/depth
The plan here is not a new one, itās been discussed here from time to time and I have to admit that Iāve personally dismissed it up until recently.
TDK redeployed in defence.
There was an old saying in war ā¦ never have your generals in the front line when youāre going over the wall.
In footy these days, the ruck is the one remaining position where you can legally cut down a more talented/athletic opponent in the āold fashionedā way.
Weāve witnessed and will continue to see these tactics employed against TDK going forward.
Put bluntly ā¦ IMO, TDK is now too valuable a commodity to play in the ruck.
We have Pittonet who loves the hustle and bustle of the ruck and he services our midfield well, let that be his focus as the new setup lessens the need of him around the ground.
TDK is supremely talented, athletic, mobile and brave, some here even suggest he wouldnāt be out of place playing on the ball.
My mindās eye imagines a Harris Andrews type scenario for TDK stationed in defence alongside the general Weitering and McGovern as the third.
(Iāve always liked the idea of Kemp as the third forward)
Boyd Weitering McGovern
Cowan TDK Saad
The way the draft is shaping for us re the Campo twins, there will reportedly be some nice KPP available to us at around our natural first selection to replace the outgoing players listed above.
With Pittonet tasked with leading the ruck and TDK redeployed in defence, it opens the door for the combative young HOK to be groomed as the heir apparent to Pittonet in time.
Mirkov can be retained as a rookie to share the load with HOK as he develops ā¦
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Jack Silvagni will be not in our best 23 he was on the way out in 2023. He is also coming off a big injury that make you slower example Kreuzer. I believe it may be his final season with us in 2025 especially if the younger players on 3rd year come on. I think you having too much dreams.
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JSOS is exactly what we could do with now.
Heāll be a valuable part of next yearās campaign.
Heāll be a valuable part of next yearās campaign.
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If rumors are true that we are targeting a third tall (like we were supposedly in for Hayward) it sort of suggests jsos future in that role at least could be in jeopardy. And Iām not sure where else jack can play a role.
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Pre-season he was first reserve for about three roles.
Suspect that will be his role in 2025 too, playing 10-15 games
His last game he was BOG against the top of the ladder team as he took them apart.
You canāt tell me heās not a better 3rd tall/back up ruck than Kennedy.
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While it wouldnt surprise should he fall down the pecking order, he'll get games due to his ability to play a couple of roles.
Not one I'm worried about either but someone posted that that is what the club is looking at instead of a KPD (God knows why, I think another KPD is almost non-neg IMO)
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Jack will impress in 2025. People forget that he really wasnāt playing his usual role in 2023 and had to play everywhere and rucked more than he ever should have.
IMO a much better option than Martin and destroyed Port before getting injured the following week.
Beyond doubtful we try him in the backline as several have suggested. If heās not kicking goals he is creating opportunities and doing the 1%ers for his teammates. For the structure of our club and what he brings week in week out, I think he is our most valuable out this season.
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