List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Taylor]

Just watch Carlton try and argue Martin is an unrestricted free agent if we offer him two years with a trigger for a third.

5th round pick trade.

 

[Docker82]

Just watch Carlton try and argue Martin is an unrestricted free agent if we offer him two years with a trigger for a third.

5th round pick trade.

Don’t think he qualifies as a previously delisted free agent tbh.

When he was ‘delisted’ from Gold Coast he was so because he wouldn’t sign a deal. He had to go through the pre season draft to get to Carlton for that reason.

Surely the AFL can’t bend the rules that are reasonably clear.

 

[Dayts]

Hopefully the Martin things just a pitch to help get Kozzie over. He said he wanted to player with more indigenous team mates didn’t he?

Also think that chat 100% ramps up again prelim week and he will be asking for a trade as soon as he’s able to

 

[Lach72]

I'm fine with Martin for free on nothing. Would clear out additional players if needed to make it work

What’d I say?

 

[Taylor]

Don’t think he qualifies as a previously delisted free agent tbh.

When he was ‘delisted’ from Gold Coast he was so because he wouldn’t sign a deal. He had to go through the pre season draft to get to Carlton for that reason.

Surely the AFL can’t bend the rules that are reasonably clear.

He delisted himself, but they will ask. Definitely doesn't count as a delisted free agent

 

[Dockeroo]

Jesus Jon Ralph is gone full Richmond trade talk nuffie on Twitter.
Split Pick 3 for Liam baker

3

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

.
Has he got rocks in his head?

 

[Purpletown]

We can have Martin or Winder but not both I think.

Having seen Winder play for Souths it's hard to be convinced he is anything but an extremely long shot to be of much value on our list. He is a very good WAFL player however.

 

[freodog]

Jesus Jon Ralph is gone full Richmond trade talk nuffie on Twitter.
Split Pick 3 for Liam baker.
Has he got rocks in his head?

He's one yellow eye, one black.

I think these media people with a microphone think if they say these things enough it will influence the outcome.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

That Adam Cerra has posterior chain issues ALL season after barely if ever having an issue in 76 games at Freo, even playing near full years at Carlton prior to this one, makes me think their injury management might be similar to Gold Coast's

The same Carlton who is playing a bloke who's had 3 knee recons afters 6 months?

Yeah there's something wrong with their fitness team to even consider that. I really hope he's ok but I'd say he's odds on to retear his ACL this weekend or in the preseason.

 

[Boomer93]

I remember how incredibly upset i was about Jaeger and Martin being stolen from WA to go to GC.

If you told me they would both end up at freo i would have had a heart attack. Now it couldnt be less exciting haha.

 

[Firesharter]

I think it's worth a shot backing our medicos to get more out of Jack Martin

19

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

than Carlton or Gold Coast's

 

[chaosball32]

I can’t believe people are in here acting like Martin to Freo is a good thing. This is a bloke who’s 30, hasn’t played a full season since 2017 due to injuries (across 2 clubs before people blame strength and conditioning teams), and even when he does get on the park has never lived up to the pick 1 status.

I know our forward line is dismal but surely we aren’t that desperate. I don’t care if he’s free, he’s a waste of a list spot. We have the best draft hand in years to trade in some serious talent and we are settling for scraps again?

 

[Superkoops]

Seems very odd that we’re doing a medical with him now. Carlton playing finals. Also if we were to select him you’d expect it to be as a Delisted Free agent or similar to Sharp SSP. Both type of selections are miles off the necessity to do a medical while his team is still playing finals.

 

[Van_Dyke]

Jesus Jon Ralph is gone full Richmond trade talk nuffie on Twitter.
Split Pick 3 for Liam baker.
Has he got rocks in his head?

would be funny if they do so i approve

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

No real downside to getting Martin for cheap, certainly not worth melting over

I put myself through the torture of watching our last game versus Port. After that I hope we do everything possible to bring in players who can get the ball and dont fumble. Provided he comes for free ((eg delisted free agent or SSP) I think Martin's worth a shot.

 

[s_wd6]

The biggest likelihood for Martin is that he comes in, is never fit, and wastes a year (or two) trying to get fit playing no games. Meanwhile he's getting paid money that could have gone to someone else who we will inevitably lose because they got a better offer elsewhere.

Sure at his best he would be a good pick up, but the likelihood for that is very low. Unless he's dirt cheap salary wise and on a rookie list I don't really see the benefit in it all.

 

[Superkoops]

The biggest likelihood for Martin is that he comes in, is never fit, and wastes a year (or two) trying to get fit playing no games. Meanwhile he's getting paid money that could have gone to someone else who we will inevitably lose because they got a better offer elsewhere.

Sure at his best he would be a good pick up, but the likelihood for that is very low. Unless he's dirt cheap salary wise and on a rookie list I don't really see the benefit in it all.

Rookie list is prob his go. Similar to Sharp via SSP. Otherwise my concerns as a DFA on primary list I share all your concerns.

We do seem rather tight on list space at the Rookie list. We have 7 when we are only allowed 6 (due to Voss replacing Corbett)

Worner - contracted
Sharp - contracted
Reidy - reportedly contracted
Voss - reportedly contracted
Stanley - seems in trouble
Kuek - seems in trouble
Jones - ??

 

[Megalon]

Why didn’t we draft mannagh was literally the perfect player for us this year

Reckon Cooper Simpson went later than the list management team expected and we just grabbed him. Nothing against Mannagh

 

[vidwhal]

You have to give it to port.

They are very good at identifing talent, and then going all in for a player.


I wish we were half as good in this area.

Is this ironic, considering NODs on our list?? ;p

 

[E Shed]

Why didn’t we draft mannagh was literally the perfect player for us this year

Lawson Humphries was right under our nose too. Kid can seriously play!

 

[guidodp15]

Reckon Cooper Simpson went later than the list management team expected and we just grabbed him. Nothing against Mannagh

we moved up to get him

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

The biggest likelihood for Martin is that he comes in, is never fit, and wastes a year (or two) trying to get fit playing no games. Meanwhile he's getting paid money that could have gone to someone else who we will inevitably lose because they got a better offer elsewhere.

Sure at his best he would be a good pick up, but the likelihood for that is very low. Unless he's dirt cheap salary wise and on a rookie list I don't really see the benefit in it all.

The injury concerns are obviously very real, though I'd suggest that if they were in the realm of "likely to play 0 games", it's an issue that we'd detect and we wouldn't sign him. The 2 seasons before this one he did play a fair amount, and there's a level of Carlton medical team tax.

I think the idea that signing Jack Martin would result in us losing a player we want to keep due to money spent is a bit absurd. We're the only bidder, and while it seems the club likes the idea of Jack Martin, we won't exactly be approaching this like he's a star signing. The worst thing that can happen is he costs us a list spot that we'd probably otherwise use on a pick in the 60s/a rookie draft selection/an SSP selection/reserve for the almighty MSD.

If it's a 1 year deal with at most pretty difficult triggers for a 2nd and the medicos tick it off, I don't mind it (don't love adding another medium fwd with iffy pressure whose best attribute is marking, but he's at worst a real best 22 contender when fit). If it's guaranteed 2 years, I think that's overkill.

 

[Ysaye]

Was it you that said Merrett was a spud? I know one of the long term draft watchers did.


The way its reported it sounds like he's one of the few that are chasing the childhood dream. He has the luxury because he's already won flags.

No doubt the money helps though.

Which Merrett? At any rate I don't think I have ever discounted any Merrett but here is a brief list of ones in no particular order that I got wrong over the since 2005 that spring to mind:

2005 Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls: A tall (I think he was 188cm) guy that could kick (I thought) and had good pace would surely make it...wouldn't he? Was really hoping he would fall to Freo's pick (that we ended up taking Marcus Drum with).
2006 Scott Gumbleton: Went around telling everyone that as a 198cm forward that was kicking goals at WAFL seniors that he was going to be a generational forward. I also thought Clayton Collard was going to be the next Jason Akermanis.
2009 John Butcher: Wasn't too upset with Morabito, but I had spent a lot of time talking up John Butcher as a super key forward. I thought he could kick....from this draft I also thought Jack Trengrove (pick 2) could play and I did think we might have got Fyfe over Bastinac wrong, even though I liked Fyfe as a player.
2012: Josh Simpson - though he was an amazing talent....
2013: Did not rate Jeremy McGovern, did not think he had a position at AFL level, was not fit enough.
2015: Sam Durdin was the latest in a string of talls I thought would make it big time...
2016: Sam Petrevski Seton but also Will Setterfield were going to be amazing midfielders in my book. Also Harrison MacCreadie yet another tall I thought was going to be a world beater and a Top 10 pick.
2017: Adam Cerra - would have picked him as no.1 for this draft, was massively impressed by his abilities. Is not anywhere the player I thought he could be though in reality.
2018: Max King - Some people will be confused with this, but argued at the time that I didn't rate him, couldn't kick, would probably break down a lot (that bit is probably true) and didn't think he was that fast. Not worth a Top 10 pick. Also didn't rate Bobby Hill, too small, kicking was erratic and not dedicated enough for AFL level.
2019: Chad Warner - not that many did but I didn't rate him, didn't think he could kick and didn't look that mobile and didn't think he was AFL quality. On flipside, I also really rated Liam Henry; absolutely thought he should go where he went draft wise and could be a Top 5 of this draft.
2020: I never spoke much about it, but I did not rate Errol Gulden, again didn't think he had the capability to be anything more than a bit player. Also did not think Josh Treacy would amount to anything.
2021: (Whilst I was a big advocate for Jye Amiss) Neil Erasmus was in my Top 3 for this draft (I picked him in the BigFooty Draft with a pick as such. Next coming of Nat Fyfe. Van Rooyen has played a lot better than I thought as well.

 

[Diverbelow]

Why didn’t we draft mannagh was literally the perfect player for us this year

Michael Barlow was his VFL coach and said he was absolutely AFL quality. 3 goals and 3 GAs last night. Simpson will need to put up some decent numbers at Peel next year.

 

[Alfonz]

Lawson Humphries was right under our nose too. Kid can seriously play!

Under our nose? Yes, but he was in the West Coast NGA! How bad are their recruiters?

Kudos to Geelong recruiters, cause he was playing WAFL reserves for much of last year. Looks like a seasoned veteran at AFL level.