List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Boomer93]

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LOL I'm not going to name those players, and kosi pickett

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Well, we’re not trading Andy and we’re going for Bolton and Warner so maybe it’s not a problem, and if Brayshaw is playing defensive mid im a lot happier than say…Banfield….

Something gives eventually and I'll circle it back to my original point where I don't think the current 4 "talls" is an ideal situation. I think therefore
A) Under no circumstance can they let Knobel go. That kid is an AFL ruck and if they are adamant on keeping Jackson a part time ruck, Darcy has a couple of years to show he can stay on the park.
B) Jackson may need to move to ruck to make it all work anyway

 

[go_the_dockers]

That's an expensive support mid...

Cotchin did it at richmond. The defensive mid role

 

[Ge3ks]

I’d be telling Sturt to study old Chris Mayne tapes. Has the speed to be a pressure beast but needs the aggression

You wanna **** up Sturts set shots accuracy?

 

[wakojako]

While Bolton/Warner/Brayshaw/Young/Serong is mouthwatering on paper, you need a support mid to do the dirty work, every top team has them, which means basically every one of those names needs to have a 2nd position making best 22 spots even harder to come by.

People are forgetting about Erasmus, he is the perfect prototype for a defensive mid. In fact I think that's the only position he will be successful in. Has size, grunt and a large tank so can tag and do the dirty work. His lack of pace and kicking become less of an issue in that role while elevating the team.

 

[Lach72]

Something gives eventually and I'll circle it back to my original point where I don't think the current 4 "talls" is an ideal situation. I think therefore
A) Under no circumstance can they let Knobel go. That kid is an AFL ruck and if they are adamant on keeping Jackson a part time ruck, Darcy has a couple of years to show he can stay on the park.
B) Jackson may need to move to ruck to make it all work anyway

I’m not sure you can make that argument while we have shit small forwards who can’t kick goals.

You reckon it can’t work with Bolton instead of Emmett? Emmett, tripping over his own feet running into the forward line, or Bolton showing the ball while kicking snags..

 

[wakojako]

Why I'd prioritise getting Pickett over Warner. Warner is a luxury. Pickett is a need.

Anyone would be stupid to say no to Warner, so if he wants to come to us, you make it happen. I just hope that we are prioritising the correct player behind the scenes because if RD is the club's mouth piece, they could be preparing us for Warner.

 

[freo_leo29]

People are forgetting about Erasmus, he is the perfect prototype for a defensive mid. In fact I think that's the only position he will be successful in. Has size, grunt and a large tank so can tag and do the dirty work. His lack of pace and kicking become less of an issue in that role while elevating the team.

Way too slow to be a defensive mid nowadays

Its the same problem we had with Fyfe defensively this year

 

[Taylor]

Amiss recovering those ground ball goals opens up the three tall forwards. Last season it looked at times that our best small forward was a 195cm second year tall.

And we need to be smart about it so that the third defender either goes to Jackson or Amiss and then he becomes leading mark. But we need Jackson taking marks.

 

[wakojako]

Way too slow to be a defensive mid nowadays

Its the same problem we had with Fyfe defensively this year

I think a good player comparison is Rowbottom. Was one of the fastest players in the 100m but not quite as quick in short bursts. Besides, anyone can improve their speed. Baker worked on his speed using pylometrics and hit a top speed of 30 km/hr. If he puts in the work, he can improve.

 

[s_wd6]

Anyone would be stupid to say no to Warner, so if he wants to come to us, you make it happen. I just hope that we are prioritising the correct player being the scenes because if RD is the club's mouth piece, they could be preparing us for Warner.

Only way we should be prioritising Warner is if he’s definitely requesting a trade the second his seasons over. We should not be passing on Pickett for the chance we get Warner the following year. Sydney are good at keeping them

 

[freo_leo29]

I think a good player comparison is Rowbottom. Was one of the fastest players in the 100m but not quite as quick in short bursts. Besides, anyone can improve their speed. Baker worked on his speed using pylometrics and hit a top speed of 30 km/hr. If he puts in the work, he can improve.

Rowbottom was going to be my example of against Erasmus, Rowbottom much quicker...

Bedford and Peatling too

 

[wakojako]

Rowbottom was going to be my example of against Erasmus, Rowbottom much quicker...

Bedford and Peatling too

I don't think Rowbottom is that fast from what I've seen but I don't watch a lot of Swan's games?

 

[freo_leo29]

I don't think Rowbottom is that fast from what I've seen but I don't watch a lot of Swan's games?

He isn't lightning but he is fast enough

Erasmus is genuinely close to ruckman level slow (it doesn't mean he can't make it, Mick Barlow famously was too, just would get found out on spread nowadays)

 

[wakojako]

He isn't lightning but he is fast enough

Erasmus is genuinely close to ruckman level slow (it doesn't mean he can't make it, Mick Barlow famously was too, just would get found out on spread nowadays)

Mmmm surely that is a bit of an exaggeration?

 

[freo_leo29]

Mmmm surely that is a bit of an exaggeration?

Nah, I'm being serious here

Like I said, Mick Barlow famously was too (as big Jack Hannath) so it's not the be all and end all but Ras is treacle slow

 

[Dirty_banchez]

I think Warner is a live chance to be traded this year. Sydney may choose to trade this year and get a better return.

 

[Tundrawolf]

Only way we should be prioritising Warner is if he’s definitely requesting a trade the second his seasons over. We should not be passing on Pickett for the chance we get Warner the following year. Sydney are good at keeping them

Absolutely, we should be looking at having at least 2 of Bolton, Pickett, Warner lining up at the start of 2025, (or at least round 4 if it's Pickett)

 

[Rockmelon]

I think Warner is a live chance to be traded this year. Sydney may choose to trade this year and get a better return.

Everything you say I read in David Kings voice and it sounds like your taking the piss

 

[kuhni]

I think Warner is a live chance to be traded this year. Sydney may choose to trade this year and get a better return.

What's he worth?

 

[CapitalA]

People are forgetting about Erasmus, he is the perfect prototype for a defensive mid. In fact I think that's the only position he will be successful in. Has size, grunt and a large tank so can tag and do the dirty work. His lack of pace and kicking become less of an issue in that role while elevating the team.

That is what he is. A Dunkley/Tarranto.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

We can take it further and tie it in with the club clearly chasing Warner very hard while getting Bolton at the same time. Incredibly, the defensive balance isn't there and there's only 22 spots on a field. While Bolton/Warner/Brayshaw/Young/Serong is mouthwatering on paper, you need a support mid to do the dirty work, every top team has them, which means basically every one of those names needs to have a 2nd position making best 22 spots even harder to come by.

I think with the support mid and the "are we too tall?" discussions, you bring up a number of valid problems, but there's enough workarounds to mask or reverse the negatives

On the fwds, you can do Triple J with Jackson rotating btwn midfield, 2nd ruck and fwd with Sturt and still be at least ok in the ground ball and pressure aspects. But it doesn't work right now coz we have too many mediums/smalls who don't contribute in those respects. Switta is hard carrying in those areas so unless we get multiple players in you gotta hang onto him. Sturt has taken a leap there, and if he can further improve that's great but he's no longer the main culprit. Freddy needs to take a leap in those respects or change position. The rest are a mix of developmental projects and players who are what they are: you gotta take it or leave it. Need guys who can pressure, attack the ground ball and score from that (what makes Switta annoying is if he could score from the ground balls he gets he'd be basically perfect).

The midfield is interesting. I don't think we expected Hayden Young to be quite this good offensively. In the first half of the season, it was him and Fyfe that were talked about as being the defensive guys, but now you can't justify making Young be that. If Chad comes, I think you can make defence by committee work with Brayshaw being the head of it: none of the mids firmly on a leash, none of them with fully free reign either. Apart from the few games Berry played significant midfield minutes, Dunkley was really their defensive guy, but he's so much more than that as a player. Brayshaw can be that.

They're both interesting structures, and a clearer division btwn roles would create less headaches. Oliver Henry, unlike Sturt, isn't asked to really do any of the pressure stuff: he's pretty much a key fwd for Geelong. And then you have eg Sydney and Port midfield wise who have a clear division btwn the stars and the workhorses. But, if done right, the team's ceiling would be limitless.

 

[wakojako]

Warner has been absolutely blanketed this game. Great offensive player but not great at winning his own ball and imposing himself on the contest. It will hold him back from being a top 10 player. Young on the other hand...

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I’m not sure you can make that argument while we have shit small forwards who can’t kick goals.

You reckon it can’t work with Bolton instead of Emmett? Emmett, tripping over his own feet running into the forward line, or Bolton showing the ball while kicking snags..

But I'm saying I'd rather the actual elite small forward? Not following how this applies to what I said. If we have Bolton and Warner both playing a fair bit up front.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think with the support mid and the "are we too tall?" discussions, you bring up a number of valid problems, but there's enough workarounds to mask or reverse the negatives

On the fwds, you can do Triple J with Jackson rotating btwn midfield, 2nd ruck and fwd with Sturt and still be at least ok in the ground ball and pressure aspects. But it doesn't work right now coz we have too many mediums/smalls who don't contribute in those respects. Switta is hard carrying in those areas so unless we get multiple players in you gotta hang onto him. Sturt has taken a leap there, and if he can further improve that's great but he's no longer the main culprit. Freddy needs to take a leap in those respects or change position. The rest are a mix of developmental projects and players who are what they are: you gotta take it or leave it. Need guys who can pressure, attack the ground ball and score from that (what makes Switta annoying is if he could score from the ground balls he gets he'd be basically perfect).

The midfield is interesting. I don't think we expected Hayden Young to be quite this good offensively. In the first half of the season, it was him and Fyfe that were talked about as being the defensive guys, but now you can't justify making Young be that. If Chad comes, I think you can make defence by committee work with Brayshaw being the head of it: none of the mids firmly on a leash, none of them with fully free reign either. Apart from the few games Berry played significant midfield minutes, Dunkley was really their defensive guy, but he's so much more than that as a player. Brayshaw can be that.

They're both interesting structures, and a clearer division btwn roles would create less headaches. Oliver Henry, unlike Sturt, isn't asked to really do any of the pressure stuff: he's pretty much a key fwd for Geelong. And then you have eg Sydney and Port midfield wise who have a clear division btwn the stars and the workhorses. But, if done right, the team's ceiling would be limitless.

It sounds odd but I'd think if we somehow get both Warner and Bolton, Youngs second position actually needs to be defence because no one else in the midfield can go there.