List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Wee Jessies]

With crazy Hardwick saying Gold Coast have had enough first rounders, Port can probably have him free as long as most of his salary is paid.

Seems like a very dangerous situation at GC where Hardwick can do whatever he likes including shedding first round picks in a solid draft.

If someone said Hardwick is acting as a double agent to raid picks for Richmond only to head back there in 5 years time I would totally believe it.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

They make some weird decisions down there.

If I’m looking at players who may push the needle into the winning the premiership zone, he ain’t one of them.

The bloke is soft

Didn't they also trade for Jack Watts? They seem to like soft overrated high draft pick KPF who haven't come close to realising potential.

 

[dont bowl there]

I rate Luko high so IMO it's a very good get for Port.

 

[Superkoops]

Houston will go. Nothing surer, but I will laugh my arse off if they trade a first for the new Jack Watts

He is an early second I reckon. I’ve thought that all along.

Carlton aren’t giving up pick 11 for Houston. Port will need to somehow get a pick in the 21-25 range and that will do the job for GC and Jack.

 

[Polo342]

He is an early second I reckon. I’ve thought that all along.

Carlton aren’t giving up pick 11 for Houston. Port will need to somehow get a pick in the 21-25 range and that will do the job for GC and Jack.

Surely worth more if Port are offering a 6 year deal

 

[ilikepotatoes]

Surely worth more if Port are offering a 6 year deal

To every other team in the comp sure.

To Gold Coast? Not really.

 

[bigfoopy]

I want to like Emmett but he’s just so poor. They may keep him, but I don’t see why.

He missed a handball by 2m yesterday and rarely does anything offensively with polish.

Even the handball he did nail to Simpson he was falling over, lost his balance and flung it out.

His type is a potentially great fit, but anything he provides defensively is countered by his horrendous offensive ability.

Yet he hit an amazing handball while getting tackled and falling horizontally to the ground

 

[Cobbler]

Yet he hit an amazing handball while getting tackled and falling horizontally to the ground

And?

 

[Taylor]

Maybe Port want to swap Lukosius for Rioli and Dustin Martin and let Port pick up the tab

 

[malpaso]

Marshall can't be far off cooked, think Luko is a good pickup.

Yeah Marshall is finished, gets concussed injuring his pinky.

 

[Cobbler]

Shai Bolton

15

Shai Bolton

Age

26

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

leading Brownlow vote getter for Tigers…

Hahaaha

 

[Azz 27]

Shai Bolton leading Brownlow vote getter for Tigers…

Hahaaha

with 5 votes.

Not a great year for Richmond or Shai.

 

[Bender571]

Should start to see the rest of the list management fall into place this week.

Emmet, O’Driscoll etc

I think Emmett is more likely a wait for the trade period to finish before making a decision. If we only get Bolton but lose Brodie and Switta he might be saved, but if we get both Bolton and Baker and lose no one he probably gets chopped.

Stanley might get delisted today though.

 

[freo84]

Trade news right now....

 

[Andyy]

Andyy u seem genuine, so I ask sincerely, who do u see Baker replacing in the Dockers B22?

To be honest I'm not overly familiar with your B22 (I'm often not with oppo teams anymore as I don't watch as much neutral footy as I used to because the game is less pleasing to watch now haha).

Do you have a B22 I can review?

Are they likely to all be fit all the time?

 

[Paracleet]

I think Emmett is more likely a wait for the trade period to finish before making a decision. If we only get Bolton but lose Brodie and Switta he might be saved, but if we get both Bolton and Baker and lose no one he probably gets chopped.

Stanley might get delisted today though.

I think the season showed he really only has one spot at AFL level* and that is HHF on the the coaches side, and there is no vacancy for that position currently at Freo (Switta). He doesn't have the skills to play closer to goal or on the fat side.

*This is without going into his limitations here. Clearly he has some AFL level attributes or wouldn't have got to 15 games in a team gunning for finals.

 

[Andyy]

Picks sliding has zero impact on what players are available. It is of minor relevance. Pick 9 has a crack at the 9th best available player in the draft.

Trade history tells you Bolton is not worth 9+10.

I guess that depends on which historical trades you are using for comparison. Some are better than others. Lachie Schultz anyone?

As for the slides, well yes I guess it does matter because picks have quantitative value also and there's no guarantee that any club WILL match a specific bid > although they usually do in the first round.

 

[Taylor]

guess that depends on which historical trades you are using for comparison.

Dylan Shiel is the best one. AA and under contract. Was trending towards being the best player in the league if you can remember that far back, bursting out of packs - before his injuries.

Went for pick #9 and a future first in return for Shiel and a future second round pick.

So that would be #9 and F1 from Freo for Bolton and Richmond's future 2nd, or third given Richmond's second isn't projecting to be much later than Fremantle's future first.

 

[pK75]

I guess that depends on which historical trades you are using for comparison. Some are better than others. Lachie Schultz anyone?

As for the slides, well yes I guess it does matter because picks have quantitative value also and there's no guarantee that any club WILL match a specific bid > although they usually do in the first round.

Pick sliding for FA compo absolutely affects the player taken, pick sliding for FS/Academy bid matching doesn’t really as no one is considering Ashcroft, Lombard, Kako or Marshal as an option to take as they all know the club will match (possibly not if someone goes Kako before the bombers first pick) but you get what I’m saying. Pick 9 is still the 9th best player on the open market regardless of if they get taken at 10,11 or 13

 

[Andyy]

Andyy - Why isn't Bolton popular this year at Richmond?


I have seen a few comments like the below. Could Yze just not handle him?

Was his head already 3/4 out the door.
Does he not have the mentality to play for a bottom 4 side

Were these issues around in previous years? If not, why?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/wreckit-ralph-every-victorian-club-ranked-based-on-how-important-their-trade-period-is/news-story/d48b09c945008424a5484c0c0cb15c26

Richmond players believed he ran his own race while he believed the game plan wasn’t clear enough.

Oh I still think he was popular. To be honest I think it's amazing (and sad) how quickly the mob turns on it's own when the cup is empty again, although that's not been the case for me and I largely remain satisfied after our dynasty.

I think with such a poor year on field and so many injuries to the players the fans just started getting frustrated. At the coach (in his first year lmao), the S&C coach (and fair enough), any star player not playing to AA level such as Bolton, Nankervis for being the captain despite having a pretty good year etc etc.

Was his head out the door? Maybe. Maybe he just doesn't fair well in a spoon side. Bolton looked frustrated at times too, but unfortunately him him that sometimes turns into conceding a 50m penalty. It's hard to know if he doesn't have the maturity or resilience to play in a bottom 4 side after 1 season. Maybe not. Or maybe he just wants to move back to WA for family reasons (2nd kid on the way I think?).




I don't know if it has anything to do with Yze. Time will tell. My impression of Yze is that he's a new senior coach coming into a big club with a recent dynasty and is learning the ropes, needs as much support as possible. Some fans are calling for his head around the bye, laughable.

Imagine being him; inheriting a list with ageing premiership players heading for or recently retired (Cotchin, Riewoldt, Tarrant, Grimes, Dusty, Pickett), slim draft picks because of recent success and poor trading (Taranto + Hopper), terrible injury run and a seemingly incompetent S&C coach.

2024 was the long-awaited cliff waiting to happen. I don't blame Yze at all.

 

[Taylor]

Jacob Hopper

2

Jacob Hopper

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.0

5star

K

9.9

4star

HB

11.1

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

4.3

5star

D

17.6

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

8.9

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

D

18.6

5star

K

8.4

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.4

5star

was another player traded under contract.

Hopper and #53, #63 for Future 1st and #31

 

[Andyy]

Pick sliding for FA compo absolutely affects the player taken, pick sliding for FS/Academy bid matching doesn’t really as no one is considering Ashcroft, Lombard, Kako or Marshal as an option to take as they all know the club will match (possibly not if someone goes Kako before the bombers first pick) but you get what I’m saying. Pick 9 is still the 9th best player on the open market regardless of if they get taken at 10,11 or 13

I guess we see this differently, but there's more a pick than the open market options. They are bargaining chips.

Imagine, for example, being Brisbane and having a phone call to Richmond about whether or not they'll need to match a #1 bid? As opposed to matching a bid from a club with #5?

What if Brisbane needs capital to match a #1 bid and someone else is offering to trade them a point surplus, but that surplus diminishes due to 2-3 slides beforehand?

I'm confident these conversations happen and there's more to it that '9th best player on the open market'. Lots of variables I suspect most clubs would look at 9+10 this year and say 'well that's basically 11+12 at least'.

Dylan Shiel is the best one. AA and under contract. Was trending towards being the best player in the league if you can remember that far back, bursting out of packs - before his injuries.

Went for pick #9 and a future first in return for Shiel and a future second round pick.

So that would be #9 and F1 from Freo for Bolton and Richmond's future 2nd, or third given Richmond's second isn't projecting to be much later than Fremantle's future first.

Fair post.

My only feedback would be that I think over recent years we are seeing clubs show less value in picks and more value in established players. He was traded 6 years ago. Do you think that deal would satisfy GWS in today's climate? I'm not convinced.

 

[Andyy]

Jacob Hopper was another player traded under contract.

Hopper and #53, #63 for Future 1st and #31

Yep, we got reamed on that one.

He's a very different player to Bolton, much less coveted IMO, and can't stay on the park. He was also a partial salary dump and GWS knew his knee was cactus.

Worst trade we've done in years

 

[Spirit Level]

Hear me out.....

Is there any chance that NOD could develop into the burst mid that we wanted in Warner, and can therefore use the capital elsewhere?

 

[Joao]

Hear me out.....

Is there any chance that NOD could develop into the burst mid that we wanted in Warner, and can therefore use the capital elsewhere?

Probably not the ceiling, but yes, he could add a point of difference.

Bolton is the obvious one, he's better than handy in the middle.